Yeah I Think it's one thing to have a philosophical stance That people have a right to catch the bus And it's an entirely other thing to actually carry it out. I think it's pretty telling that even the people in this community who are the most open to it still struggle with it. I don't fault them for that it's a really difficult thing Giving someone the tools that they need to catch the bus.
Even some other people that I've only casually interacted with in the short Half month that I've been around on this website Has affected me when they've departed. I didn't realize how much of a transitionary space this was and I just looked at people being regulars and justice sort of took it for granted that they would be around for a while at least for a few weeks or a month but nothing can be taken for granted.
Either way I respect your decision to not help people with sources or give advice to your friends And I struggle with all the same stuff that you're describing. I do feel a little bit conflicted though Because the same thing that we are struggling with is the same thing that society and prolifers Struggle With in their effort to make sure that suicidal people have no viable options to end their existence. They are always passing the buck on to someone else And having another organization deal with the problems.
I'm sorry I know this is like a really touchy subject and I really hope I'm not offending you with anything that I've said I really don't mean to i'm just giving my honest conflicted thoughts on this topic. I think people have a fundamental human right to catch the bus but I think I don't have the heart to directly help them with it. All I can do is respect their decision And appreciate the time that they spend with us For however long that is.
You haven't offended me. I understand this is a touchy subject and I understand why you have conflicted thoughts concerning this topic. I can also share my thoughts about this.
In regards to what you said about pro-lifers, they do indeed do the same as we do, refuse to give sources of things preventing people from being able to ctb and I don't think there's any way to justify why they do it other than pure selfishness but if you think about it, us not giving out sources could also be labeled as selfish actions since we're thinking about ourselves over others.
And about the fundamental human right, I totally agree with that. Everyone should be provided the right to die a dignified death and I'm sure everyone has the heart to do such a thing to themselves; end their lives; but of course we don't have the heart to help anyone else with doing so. It is human behavior and I guess because of this, selfishness is a built in thing that we have and we have acquired the ability to be selfish through millennia of evolution.
But the difference between us and pro-lifers is that we understand people's situations and we don't necessarily prevent them from both obtaining the means of ending their suffering and we don't prevent them from carrying out their deliverance, although I know for a fact if you have formed a strong bond with someone you'd definitely want to prevent them from ctb. It's human BUT we aren't as cruel as pro-lifers so there is a difference, if you understand what I mean.
, I love this place and wouldn't know what I would do without it. And this is a big struggel, because when the time comes it's very helpful to get the advice needed. 
