How does one quickly deprogram the stigma of suicide out of their mind?

[Ambivalent1]

I think the idea that it's bad raises another hurdle for people, which is probably the point.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

Well, why do you believe it to be bad?

 

[chillmungo]

It can be bad in one sense without being bad in another. It can be considered bad because it would be more desirable to love being alive. You wouldn't wish suicidality on a person who loved life, but you can respect a person's autonomy if they make that choice with a sound, mature mind.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Well, why do you believe it to be bad?

Because it's been ingrained in me.

 

[Forever Sleep]

The very first thoughts I had did frighten me because I felt like they were 'bad'. I was 10 at the time and a family member believed/ likely still does believe that suicides end up in hell/ purgatory. I don't recall it taking that long though to think- well- that's their own beliefs. I was having the thoughts so often that I suppose I first accepted that it was ok to have the thoughts themselves- it felt natural in my situation.

Then, I suppose as I aged- I began to tackle each opposition to suicide logicially. I'm not convinced there is a God or a hell. If there is a God- and I was raised with the ideas of Christianity- then it seems as though this idea of suicides going to hell got introduced back in the day because so many peasants were killing themselves to circumvent their terrible lives. (Although- I can't seem to find the source for that now frustratingly.)

I guess you REALLY need to think about what it is that makes it 'wrong' and decide whether you believe in those things. Do you believe in the intrinsic value of a life? I'm not talking about our rights- which need to be protected/ respected. I mean- do you think everyone has potential and NEEDS TO STAY in order to fulfil it? That's not really an easy one to get over I imagine. For me- life is more cheap than that. I don't hold the human race in high esteem and- anything we do achieve tends to honour ourselves- quite often at the expense of the environment. Or- we tend to try desperately hard to reverse the ways in which we- as a race have already fucked up! Pretty much all charities are about undoing human harm aren't they?

In terms of- it's 'wrong' because of the harm it does to those left behind. I can't deny that one- which is why I and a lot of others here are hanging on. Hanging on and isolating/ estranging ourselves from people and waiting for the people it will most affect to die first.

I think you really need to focus on why you believe- or- have been lead to believe that it's wrong and tackle each thing bit by bit. There may be some things you simply can't change your thinking on. In which case- they just become something else to either bulldoze through I guess- or obey. Have you ever done other things in life- even though you felt like they were wrong? Eaten or drunk too much? Started swearing? Etc. I guess in most cases- it's because our desire to do something exceeds our knowledge that it's 'wrong.' So- I suppose it's either utter desperation to die that makes someone disobey their programing- or- they are able to congnitively overcome it beforehand.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I personally think the idea of suicide isn't a stigma because to me it's always been a legal option under certain circumstances, may this be sickness or any other things one can't bear or does not want to endure in their lives any more. There are as many individual reasons for CTB as there are individuals out there.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't even understand how anyone can be against suicide in the first place, I just think the fact that there is unlimited potential to suffer in this world is why wanting suicide will always be perfectly rational. Existing really is so unnecessary and dreadful, it's just a futile process of slowly dying while in comparison suicide is self care as it solves all problems and it means that one returns to the ideal state of non-existence where nothing can hurt them.

The reality is that existence was never a desirable state in the first place, and the truth is that to take control over our inevitable fate could never be "bad" as we are destined for nowhere but to cease existing, there are no disadvantages to not existing and none of us are obligated to stay here, we only exist in the first place as a result of other people's selfish decision to procreate, there truly is no point to existing. And I just think that suicide is the best way to die rather than our death happening at a time out of our control and anyway all that we are destined for is to be tormented by old age, such a thing disturbs me.

 

[Livingvsdying25]

It takes years or well it took me years to get "deprogrammed" regarding suicide.

It took for life to get extremely desolate and awful for me to be able to really see death as an option. Every year of my life I'm more and more deprogrammed.

Bc regarding suicide its still what I want and life hasn't per say gotten much better. Like some aspects have gotten better but not enough for me to not want to die. I don't think it ever will. Many apsects of my life just keep getting worse. Soo yeah. I think hardship and tragedy deprogram

But I dont per say wish for anyone to deprogram. Its not a good feeling and it makes living extra hard. It doesn't even per say make dying easier either tbh.

 

[nothingbutmybest]

The thing is, deprogramming is the same as reprogramming and the fastest way to do that is effectively self-propaganda. Consume large amounts of suicidal content though definitely not starting from there. A good route is bittersweet content -> depressive content -> suicidal content. If you just want to deprogram the stigma without encouraging suicide or doing what is effectively brainwashing, there is no faster way outside of learning philosophy as a whole.

I will say that despite that, I don't think suicide should be destigmatized fully. Maybe enough to the point where suicide isn't the devil's temptation and is truly absolute evil or something, but suicide should NEVER be your first option. Ever. It is the single choice that irrevocably causes permanent harm, revoking all possible choices and the chance to even regret choosing, including the chance to regret killing yourself. It should only be done when there is truly no better option.