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lylas

lylas

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I think the way I value life and death seems to be pretty different from others and not just because I'm suicidal and I wonder how many others here are like this. I think maybe suicide is more of an option to me because of this perhaps, not the other way around. When family members die or people talk about acts of murder, it feels like everyone applies this superstitious moral weight to death, when its just kind of a thing that happens. There are so many things that are much worse. I feel so much more tortured by hearing about the awful things those close to me have lived through, than I am by the idea of them passing. I can't imagine ever being afraid of dying other than for concern about what will happen to those who remain.
 
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lifeisadream

lifeisadream

One of life’s failures
Oct 3, 2022
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I know what you mean. Wonder if it's to do with being able to embrace & accept death as the inevitable final thing to happen in life. I sometimes feel that talking about death in the outside world is a taboo topic which no one should ever discuss. I know it can be a hard thing to talk about & it is sad but it will happen to all of us.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I personally don't see death as being a big deal at all. As humans we only exist just to die and eventually be forgotten about. Everyone that we know will die eventually and we very likely eventually won't even exist as a memory, it will be like we never existed at all.

This is inevitable for us all, the truth is that our lives are very temporary and insignificant. I think that people make a big deal over death either because they fear it or because someone dying has an affect on those left behind. Humans are unable to comprehend what it's like to be dead after all, as this life is all that they know and human attitudes towards death can be linked to the instinct to survive.

But yes, people often see being dead as being worse than suffering, but in my case there is nothing more comforting than the thought of being dead. Life itself is the problem and is the thing that I despise. Death is freedom from it all, the non existent have no concerns or worries so therefore to die would be ideal and it could never be a tragic event.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I lost 3 close family members before I was 10. Mum when I was 3, Grandpa when I was 4, Nana when I was 10. It has had a profound effect upon me and I miss them all to this day.

Objectively, yes- death is unavoidable- so it would be better if we could just accept it. Also- I feel it's often 'better' for the person dieing to pass- all of my family members were in pain at the end. It would be unfair for me to wish they had lived on in the state they were in.

Death does feel more sad for the people left behind. I like to hope those that have gone are at peace now. Grieving IS selfish. I do believe when someone close to you dies, a part of you goes with them and they do leave a hole that's hard to fill. All those experiences you had together and that person who loved, saw and understood you is gone forever.

Honestly, it got to a point in life where I wondered whether it was better just not to get close to anyone anymore because the pain of their loss is so awful. Not necessarily through death either- moving away and losing touch isn't great either. I've pretty much 'achieved' that now. I'm very isolated. Still- it's really no way to live.

I do remember a line from Yoda: (Star Wars)

'Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.'

I sometimes wonder if this is the 'best' way to live. To fully accept that we can't hang on to anything in this life because everything is so precarious- health, wealth, even life itself. Still, how do you live a 'full' life without making human connections you would feel sad to part with?
 
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leeloosnow

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Aug 28, 2022
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A very circumstantial thing for me. I've watched seniors die, my younger brother died of congenital heart disease, had friends who OD'd, friends who ctb, and countless animals die in my hands while working in animal rescue. I'm not sad when old people pass naturally. Death is inevitable, the question is what fills that space between birth and death. Is that living being happy, or are they suffering? Which, to the one experiencing life, outweighs the.. joy v suffering? I'm happy for anyone with their life, using their time to find joy, share it with others, to relieve the pain of another. I'm sad, for those suffering unnecessarily, and I'm angry at who or whatever subjects the being to that suffering. When I think of my grandmother's death in a care facility during covid, I'm not sad she passed. She was old, sick, and lived a full life. I'm angry she wasn't comforted. Family wasn't allowed inside, we sat at the window. She wasn't given extra pain meds, she basically starved/thirst to death. The predominant feeling of that memory is anger.
I hope the things, at least some of the things I've done with my time are useful, and reduce the suffering of others. The moment of death, it's hard to look at but being there for the dying is soothing, I promise it is. For pet rats I couldn't adopt out I would spend every moment with, aside from work etc. Ones that were old, diseased, the first option is vet to end the suffering, but sometimes they'd get acute conditions where I wouldn't be able to get them to the vet in time. For the ones that died at home, I'd hold them. They knew my voice, they knew it meant treats or attention or something good. Dying animals panic, more so if going hypoxic. I do have an oxygen machine for addressing that, but I'd hold them gently in my arms in a blanket. I'd hold them on my chest and sing soft nonsense baby talk things, tell them it's going to be okay, to let go, that I love them. Those experiences, I'll tell you the companionship calmed their death panic just as much if not more than the oxygen machine. I can see expressions on their faces, I know how weird that sounds as I'm talking about rats here. As they calmed down I could see a feeling of acceptance wash over their eyes, they'd sign and ideally sigh a few last breaths. The quicker this process, the better, and I can see them let go. Eyes wander off, last breath. There's a muscle spasm in death throes but they generally are unaware, as scary as it look.
So, yeah. The content of life is the question, death itself doesn't scare or sadden me.
 
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