How do you avoid being “rescued” during your attempt?

[kambroov]

I just read a story about a woman who attempted CTB, was rescued just before death, was in a coma for 8 days, and survived with severe amnesia so she doesn't even remember all the information she learned about how to CTB, so won't be able to do it again. Nor would she have the capacity to learn the information again due to severe brain damage.

So she's doomed to live forever.

This is like a nightmare, how do you prevent this?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Well ... how to avoid this, it's a question of your method. Most methods require a few hours too be really sure they are lethal and there is no rescue possible any more. Make sure you are not found withing 24h that should work for most methods.

 

[why am i alive?]

Well ... how to avoid this, it's a question of your method. Most methods require a few hours too be really sure they are lethal and there is no rescue possible any more. Make sure you are not found withing 24h that should work for most methods.

But what if not being found for 24 hours is impossible what do I do then

 

[todeswunsch]

I've read so many SN attempts that got interrupted and "rescued", that scares me a lot.
My plan is to do it in a forest and by night. People will take a time to miss me, and more time to actually find me.
Doing it home is to risky to me.
A hotel room is another option, not fail-proof, but seems good enough.
Just need at least 12h without interruptions.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

But what if not being found for 24 hours is impossible what do I do then

As I said depending on your method. Usually full suspension hanging is lethal within 30 minutes, long drop within seconds if your neck breaks. If you decide for an OD method it can take up to 24h.

If you cannot be sure not to be found too early there is a risk of being rescued.

 

[kambroov]

As I said depending on your method. Usually full suspension hanging is lethal within 30 minutes, long drop within seconds if your neck breaks. If you decide for an OD method it can take up to 24h.

If you cannot be sure not to be found too early there is a risk of being rescued.

What about carbon monoxide? Here's the article about a woman getting severe amnesia after failing CO method: https://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/se...ic-symptoms-suicide-attempt-charcoal-burning/

I'm planning to go on a camping trip to do it. The only problem is, the ranger comes to check on you at 9am every morning. I have to wait until nightfall to start it, so that only gives me about 12 hours.

 

[todeswunsch]

I'm planning to go on a camping trip to do it. The only problem is, the ranger comes to check on you at 9am every morning. I have to wait until nightfall to start it, so that only gives me about 12 hours.

Camping is a smart idea indeed
And having all the night until 9am is plenty of time, enough for a lot of methods.
My only concern is that you still have someone that is actively looking for your safety.
The ranger may usually check only at 9am, but if he get suspicious of anything for any reason, he would come to check. Like unusual smoke, or sounds, or just random, idk.
Not trying to scare you, but that would be my main concern.

 

[kambroov]

Camping is a smart idea indeed
And having all the night until 9am is plenty of time, enough for a lot of methods.
My only concern is that you still have someone that is actively looking for your safety.
The ranger may usually check only at 9am, but if he get suspicious of anything for any reason, he would come to check. Like unusual smoke, or sounds, or just random, idk.
Not trying to scare you, but that would be my main concern.

Him checking on me before that time is very unlikely, especially since he would assume I'm just sleeping. He would have to come inside my tent, I can't imagine he would even be allowed to do that.

I just wish I had more time than 12 hours. Modern medicine is pretty impressive, they can basically bring people back from death. I'm doing carbon monoxide method, kind of a slow death it seems like.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What about carbon monoxide? Here's the article about a woman getting severe amnesia after failing CO method: https://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/se...ic-symptoms-suicide-attempt-charcoal-burning/

I'm planning to go on a camping trip to do it. The only problem is, the ranger comes to check on you at 9am every morning. I have to wait until nightfall to start it, so that only gives me about 12 hours.

I haven't read that report yet. Yes there are always risks of failing and a human body can endure more poison as someone may imagine in some cases.

Usually a concentration of 8k + ppm CO is lethal within 5- 10 minutes or less. Such concentrations of CO can be reached with charcoal in a room/tent/car. There are user posts here testing that with CO meters.

You will need 0.135kg charcoal / m³ and I would double that amount, spreading it on 2 BBQs (maybe buckets, depending on availability ab amount needed).

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[todeswunsch]

Him checking on me before that time is very unlikely, especially since he would assume I'm just sleeping. He would have to come inside my tent, I can't imagine he would even be allowed to do that.

If you say so. I'm too paranoid sometimes haha

I just wish I had more time than 12 hours. Modern medicine is pretty impressive, they can basically bring people back from death. I'm doing carbon monoxide method, kind of a slow death it seems like.

Yeah, these doctors playing god don't even ask if you want to. There's a lot of real miracles, people that were basically already dead. The problem is that they revive, but still can have some left over damage - physical and mental. This is one of my concerns with CO, and that's why I'm more inclined to SN.
I don't know a lot about CO, 12hours seems to be a lot of time to be breathing it. People die with lot less exposure to CO

I wish you luck

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Here's the article about a woman getting severe amnesia after failing CO method: https://www.psychiatrist.com/pcc/se...ic-symptoms-suicide-attempt-charcoal-burning/

The 1st paragraph explains it already: Charcoal in a frying pan used in a kitchen. Ig they did not calculate the amount needed to produce enough CO over time. There are many deaths with CO happening by accident over 8+h sometimes and relatively low concentrations but not all of them are necessarily lethal depending on personal body and health conditions and other factors.

But given a high enough concentration as stated in the links I posted in my last post, C is highly lethal and unconsciousness and death should appear very quickly.

 

[kambroov]

The 1st paragraph explains it already: Charcoal in a frying pan used in a kitchen. Ig they did not calculate the amount needed to produce enough CO over time. There are many deaths with CO happening by accident over 8+h sometimes and relatively low concentrations but not all of them are necessarily lethal depending on personal body and health conditions and other factors.

But given a high enough concentration as stated in the links I posted in my last post, C is highly lethal and unconsciousness and death should appear very quickly.

You're right, the dose makes the poison, as they say. Well luckily, I've bought a carbon monoxide meter that goes up to 10000ppm that I can do tests with. Have you bought one of these? It's useful to have if you're doing this method.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

You're right, the dose makes the poison, as they say. Well luckily, I've bought a carbon monoxide meter that goes up to 10000ppm that I can do tests with. Have you bought one of these? It's useful to have if you're doing this method.

Fun fact: If I was able to just buy one of those meters out of pocket money I'd not be here ^^

In the case I really c no other option but CTB I have to rely on the user tests, but it will most likely work, I'm sure.

 

[kambroov]

Fun fact: If I was able to just buy one of those meters out of pocket money I'd not be here ^^

In the case I really c no other option but CTB I have to rely on the user tests, but it will most likely work, I'm sure.

Oh I'm surprised, considering how smart you seem, I assumed you were like a high-paid engineer or dentist or something. Well I'm in the opposite situation, I have so much money saved up I don't even know what to do with it. I offered to send someone money on this forum before but my comment got deleted, apparently it's against the rules.

Oh well, it's not the end of the world without a CO meter, just nice to have. I will be doing my own tests soon, I can report to you the results if you want.

 

[Dying Knight]

The problem is that they revive, but still can have some left over damage - physical and mental. This is one of my concerns with CO, and that's why I'm more inclined to SN.
I don't know a lot about CO, 12hours seems to be a lot of time to be breathing it.

CO is a much more potent poison than SN, it may kill you in 3 minutes. If I had to choose between CO and SN, I'd definitely prefer CO.

Carbon Monoxide Concentrations: Table (AEN-172) - Department of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering

ISU Extension Pub # AEN-172 Author: Thomas H. Greiner, Extension Agricultural Engineer Department of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering, Iowa State University. August, 1997 CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING Carbon Monoxide Concentrations: Table Concentration of CO in Air Effects, Inhalation Time...

www.abe.iastate.edu

 

[todeswunsch]

CO is a much more potent poison than SN, it may kill you in 3 minutes. If I had to choose between CO and SN, I'd definitely prefer CO.

Carbon Monoxide Concentrations: Table (AEN-172) - Department of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering

ISU Extension Pub # AEN-172 Author: Thomas H. Greiner, Extension Agricultural Engineer Department of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering, Iowa State University. August, 1997 CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING Carbon Monoxide Concentrations: Table Concentration of CO in Air Effects, Inhalation Time...

www.abe.iastate.edu

I see, it seems more lethal. What I meant is more regarding what happens IF it fails - which is unlikely but can happen. SN seems to dont leave any permanent death, I am not sure about CO tho. Its a good option regardless.
My top options are SN, Hidrogen, CO and lastly Hanging. SN seems the easier of those for me currently (easy to buy in my country)
But yeah, CO is quite lethal

 

[Dying Knight]

SN seems to dont leave any permanent death

That's a nonsense, SN doesn't kill you instantly. Your brain surely will be damaged due to hypoxia before it dies completely, and the duration of the brain-damaging stage will be longer than with high-concentrated CO.

My top options are SN, Hidrogen, CO and lastly Hanging. SN seems the easier of those for me currently (easy to buy in my country)

My top options are plastic bag or drowning with N2O, plastic bag or drowning with butane, and plastic bag or drowning with CO2. SN would probably be 20th in the list.

 

[todeswunsch]

That's a nonsense, SN doesn't kill you instantly. Your brain surely will be damaged due to hypoxia before it dies completely, and the duration of the brain-damaging stage will be longer than with high-concentrated CO.

Good to know that. From what I've read, it didn't seem to leave permanent damage from failed attempts. Maybe its all about the time frame you got rescued and how far in hypoxia you are.

My top options are plastic bag or drowning with N2O, plastic bag or drowning with butane, and plastic bag or drowning with CO2. SN would probably be 20th in the list.

Interesting, I see you like plastic bags a lot hahaha SN is quite popular here, didnt expect to see someone so averse to it. Why is SN so low on your list? Is it only for what you already mentioned?

 

[Dying Knight]

I see you like plastic bags a lot hahaha

Plastic bags and duct/isolation tapes are very easy to obtain and may be used for nearly 100% reliable death due to deprivation of oxygen similarly to drowning.

SN is quite popular here

Most people just rely on fashion and common opinions of others.

Why is SN so low on your list? Is it only for what you already mentioned?

Because it looks disadvantageous versus many other methods in terms of reliability and possibly potential of having pleasant/unpleasant feelings (considering also their possible strength and duration). In comparison to butane + SWB/bag/hanging, it's just worse in every important aspect: availability, price and simplicity (when SN is used in the recommended way with a shitload of meds), execution time, reliability (if you fully understand how these methods work), and sensations.