How do I test if a substance has barbiturates in it or not in the UK?

[HopefulButPrepared]

Any links to testing sites would be appreciated

 

[Smart No More]

There's a site called EC (Energy control) that people have sent samples to but if you purely want to test for barbiturates you can buy a 'drugs of abuse' panel test that's usually used to test urine samples for drugs. They're available on ebay and amazon for around 6 dollars. Just make sure you get the one with barbiturates as a lot don't include it now because barbiturates are so rarely used in medicine or available on the black market these days. You literally just drop a couple of drops of your sample (assuming it's vetinary liquid N) on in it and it should show barbiturates. Alternatively you could take a sleep test dose and check your urine the following but obviously that kind of defeats the initial object of testing.

 

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I brought a drug test cup from amazon, and just put the substance in that. It's meant for urine, but it worked the same.

 

[Smart No More]

Don't forget that if you have sealed bottles you will need a syringe to draw out solution without opening the bottles, breaking the seal and significantly shortening its shelf life. Common consensus is that it last around 30days once opened before being potential unsuitable for use. Syringes are available on amazon and ebay too.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

There's a site called EC (Energy control) that people have sent samples to but if you purely want to test for barbiturates you can buy a 'drugs of abuse' panel test that's usually used to test urine samples for drugs. They're available on ebay and amazon for around 6 dollars. Just make sure you get the one with barbiturates as a lot don't include it now because barbiturates are so rarely used in medicine or available on the black market these days. You literally just drop a couple of drops of your sample (assuming it's vetinary liquid N) on in it and it should show barbiturates. Alternatively you could take a sleep test dose and check your urine the following but obviously that kind of defeats the initial object of testing.

I would be testing Phenobarbital, not Pentobarbital (N) - would the 'drugs of abuse' panel work for this?

I certainly don't want to take any and check my urine because I' don't want to take even a low dose of Phenobarbital as it makes you feel horrible and severely exacerbates depression - I've tried it before!

I brought a drug test cup from amazon, and just put the substance in that. It's meant for urine, but it worked the same.

Would it work for Phenobarbital, rather than Pentobarbital (N)?

 

[Smart No More]

I would be testing Phenobarbital, not Pentobarbital (N) - would the 'drugs of abuse' panel work for this?

I certainly don't want to take any and check my urine because I' don't want to take even a low dose of Phenobarbital as it makes you feel horrible and severely exacerbates depression - I've tried it before!

Would it work for Phenobarbital, rather than Pentobarbital (N)?

No it wouldn't work. Not if it's in tablet form. Also the drug panel tests only show barbiturates in general not specific type of barbiturates.

I'm curious as to why you wanr to test it if you're not planning on using it.

I'm surprised to hear your experience with it as its usually sedating. I guess it could make depression worse if you're predisposed in that manner though.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

It's in liquid form - as long as it tests positive for a barb, then that's fine

I'd be planning on using it for CTB, just not taking it in small amounts, as I've tried it before and it gave me bad nightmares and made me very depressed for 48 hours after

 

[Smart No More]

Ah okay. It should be testable with that test then. You know you can take a very tiny amount that you wouldn't feel and still test positive right? Just a thought.

Have you done research on using it to ctb? I'm not really sure of the efficacy (though i know it can be used in somw way) but I remember reading that it isn't the same as using pentobarbital. You're probably already versed on it but as I don't know you or any specifics on your case, if you're not already fully versed on it I'd urge some research. There's some info around the forum on it I'm pretty certain. Purely a friendly heads up.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

Ah okay. It should be testable with that test then. You know you can take a very tiny amount that you wouldn't feel and still test positive right? Just a thought.

do you have a link you could send me privately to one of these tests I can use without taking any of the product, just to test positive for a barb?

 

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I don't have a link handy no. You can just search 'multipanel drug test' on ebay or amazon and you'll find them. Then just read the description to make sure "barbs" or "barbiturates" are included in the test. You can also search 'barbiturate urine test' or 'home drugs tests'.

If you're not confident searching them out on amazon or ebay then you can buy a barbiturate test kit directly from exit Internationals website. It's more expensive but its maybe an easier purchase for some. It only checks foe barbiturates. It's exactly the same method of testing as the urine sample - multi panel - drugs of abuse test kits.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I don't have a link handy no. You can just search 'multipanel drug test' on ebay or amazon and you'll find them. Then just read the description to make sure "barbs" or "barbiturates" are included in the test. You can also search 'barbiturate urine test' or 'home drugs tests'.

If you're not confident searching them out on amazon or ebay then you can buy a barbiturate test kit directly from exit Internationals website. It's more expensive but its maybe an easier purchase for some. It only checks foe barbiturates. It's exactly the same method of testing as the urine sample - multi panel - drugs of abuse test kits.

So I could buy Barbiturate Urine Drug Test Strips but just dip them in the product, rather than in urine to test if it contains barbs of any sort?

 

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So I could buy Barbiturate Urine Drug Test Strips but just dip them in the product, rather than in urine to test if it contains barbs of any sort?

Yes, as long as you're testing a liquid solution. Of course. This is how people test their vetinary N for barbiturates at home.

Just to be clear though, it won't tell you what type of barbiturates you have. It will just either test positive or negative for barbiturates. You did say you were cool with that, I know, I'm just making sure I'm clear is all.

Also they're not exactly strips but near enough. They can be dipped which is the main thing.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

Yes, as long as you're testing a liquid solution. Of course. This is how people test their vetinary N for barbiturates at home.

Just to be clear though, it won't tell you what type of barbiturates you have. It will just either test positive or negative for barbiturates. You did say you were cool with that, I know, I'm just making sure I'm clear is all.

Also they're not exactly strips but near enough. They can be dipped which is the main thing.

OK, thanks, the stuff I'm testing has about 0.5 gram of phenobarb in each 25ml of liquid, so will it pick up a small amount?

 

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OK, thanks, the stuff I'm testing has about 0.5 gram of phenobarb in each 25ml of liquid, so will it pick up a small amount?

It should. I'm sure it's in much smaller amounts in urine. Obviously I can't tell your for certain though. Any amount should be detectable I would assume though.

How long have you had the liquid? Is it within date? Vetinary N is said to lose it's efficacy after a month of being opened. Medicines for humans is probably longer lasting though in fairness. Worth considering though.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

It should. I'm sure it's in much smaller amounts in urine. Obviously I can't tell your for certain though. Any amount should be detectable I would assume though.

How long have you had the liquid? Is it within date? Vetinary N is said to lose it's efficacy after a month of being opened. Medicines for humans is probably longer lasting though in fairness. Worth considering though.

it's been sealed for a few months, and I haven't opened any of them yet. I have 20 bottles that make up 10 mg of Phenobarbital, 0.5 gram of Phenobarbital per bottle, which I think is fatal. Works out to about a pint of liquid per fatal dose. It tastes of menthol and vanilla, or something sweet like strawberry, and it's all quite palatable. I drank 1 x 25 ML bottle one night (0.5mg dose) before before one dsay r, and it tasted tolerable, but sent me to sleep and woke me up about 20 times throughout the night, and gave me the worst nightmares I've ever had!. Combine that with some strong alcohol, 10mg Oxycodone, 100 mg Xanax - that should work I reckon.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

It should. I'm sure it's in much smaller amounts in urine. Obviously I can't tell your for certain though. Any amount should be detectable I would assume though.

How long have you had the liquid? Is it within date? Vetinary N is said to lose it's efficacy after a month of being opened. Medicines for humans is probably longer lasting though in fairness. Worth considering though

The Liquid is well within date, and I have about 20 unopened bottles. The only problem I may see if that there are other substances in there to, with the barb - just some herbal shit to help you sleep. But the Barb is the main substance.

So something like this should do the job? https://www.ukdrugtesting.co.uk/products/alltest-barbiturate-drug-testing-strips

As long as it has a barb in it, I know I'm not being completely f**k*d over. How much is in it, is another matter altogether!

 

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The Liquid is well within date, and I have about 20 unopened bottles. The only problem I may see if that there are other substances in there to, with the barb - just some herbal shit to help you sleep. But the Barb is the main substance.

So something like this should do the job? https://www.ukdrugtesting.co.uk/products/alltest-barbiturate-drug-testing-strips

As long as it has a barb in it, I know I'm not being completely f**k*d over. How much is in it, is another matter altogether!

Yes, those tests will do the job. It says they detect 300 nanogram or above.

Have to say I'm really surprised you had all that waking in the night and nightmares as a result of using it. I know it's different to pento but still, as a barbiturate you'd expect a pretty restful sedated sleep. There's slow release versions of it that maybe work more appropriately for sleep as barbs (as I understand them) are typically short acting.

There's a drug combination recommended for ctb in the PPeH using phenobarbital. Not sure if you saw it. Might be useful to you if not.

 

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Yes, those tests will do the job. It says they detect 300 nanogram or above.

Have to say I'm really surprised you had all that waking in the night and nightmares as a result of using it. I know it's different to pento but still, as a barbiturate you'd expect a pretty restful sedated sleep. There's slow release versions of it that maybe work more appropriately for sleep as barbs (as I understand them) are typically short acting.

There's a drug combination recommended for ctb in the PPeH using phenobarbital. Not sure if you saw it. Might be useful to you if not.

I was surprised too, but I only had 300 mg which is a small amount, which is a 33rd of the fatal 10 gram dose. I had a bad reaction to zopiclone before that was similar. Benzos on the other hand give me the best sleep ever - I don't want to get up after taking that, and then take some opiates whilst on the benzo comedown, and oh my god, I'm so happy!