How did i not get sectioned?

[RacilyDank]

At my latest assessment, where I was diagnosed bipolar, I was asked the big question... do you feel suicidal?

I told them yes. (This is a mental health professional, not a friend or relative so idgaf)

Next, what is stopping you? Lack of a reliable and peaceful method.

Anything else? Fear. And guilt over the people who care. But at it's worst, I don't really care.

Ok, as you where...

I'm just reflecting on this over honesty and wondering how I didn't get sectioned?

Edit: obviously I didn't tell them I'd just failed an attempt earlier this week.

 

[satou]

I would be extremely surprised if talking about suicidal ideation would get you sectioned where I live. In fact I've done that and my experience was similar to yours.

I think that would only happen if you were to also show signs of mania, psychosis or a similar condition.

 

[itsallover]

At my latest assessment, where I was diagnosed bipolar, I was asked the big question... do you feel suicidal?

I told them yes. (This is a mental health professional, not a friend or relative so idgaf)

Next, what is stopping you? Lack of a reliable and peaceful method.

Anything else? Fear. And guilt over the people who care. But at it's worst, I don't really care.

Ok, as you where...

I'm just reflecting on this over honesty and wondering how I didn't get sectioned?

Edit: obviously I didn't tell them I'd just failed an attempt earlier this week.

What probably stopped them is your explanation afterwards. I know that every mental health professionals would kill themselves if they were going through what I am. I'm surprised i haven't impulsively done it yet or lost my mind altogether. With each day that goes by it makes more and more sense.

 

[Clover]

You don't get sectioned for being suicidal were I am - the public health are very blase about it. The private doctors and therapists will try and get the hospital to but they ignore them.

 

[blueming]

I think that in most cases they only section you if they think you're in immediate danger to yourself or others or if you were unstable. But it's different for everyone in different situations. One time I was sectioned because I refused to cooperate with the doctors (not a good idea btw) and they just didn't know what to do with me, even though I wasn't actively suicidal at that time. A friend of mine from when I was hospitalised was really suicidal and even told the doctors she was going to kill herself as soon as she got out, and then was discharged the same day. That was messed up but you never know what these doctors are thinking.

 

[itsallover]

I think that in most cases they only section you if they think you're in immediate danger to yourself or others or if you were unstable. But it's different for everyone in different situations. One time I was sectioned because I refused to cooperate with the doctors (not a good idea btw) and they just didn't know what to do with me, even though I wasn't actively suicidal at that time. A friend of mine from when I was hospitalised was really suicidal and even told the doctors she was going to kill herself as soon as she got out, and then was discharged the same day. That was messed up but you never know what these doctors are thinking.

I got sent to the hospital once because what I said was perceived as a threat. This was days after I said it by a miserable quack who literally didn't have a nose. My case worker came and was like what kind of bullshit is this and got me out in a matter of hours. Just in time so I could take an important test in college. I absolutely hate those mother fuckers. They all go on insane power trips

 

[DarkTear]

It's difficult for therapists. If they section you, the bond of trust is destroyed. So most of them avoid doing something like that.
My psychiatrist asks me about suicidal thoughts on a regular basis. If she would put me into the psychiatry, she would never see me again... and of course she knows that. So things would only get worse.
However, if I would tell her concrete details like a date or that I'm preparing a method, she may be required by law to "save me from myself" (at least in my country).

 

[Kogoruhn]

I told i'm suicidal to various psychiatrists, and other than giving me more meds, nothing happened. I guess in my country it is a rare thing to happen

 

[itsallover]

I told i'm suicidal to various psychiatrists, and other than giving me more meds, nothing happened. I guess in my country it is a rare thing to happen

I have been in psych wards where people have killed themselves in there. One person chocked on something on purpose. That is real determination and desperation. Whenever you see someone chocking they are running for help. That person just didn't give a fuck and wanted to die anyway possible.

 

[Temporarilyabsurd]

I think that would only happen if you were to also show signs of mania, psychosis or a similar condition.

containing violence is the notch that mental health intervention has clicked back to imo.

I told them I wanted to end it .

Have a weeks benefit and get a job.

Doctor : " I've had depression too " young uber meritocratic sharp edged inexperienced protocol soaked virtuous professional basically . Saved the government some money . Promotion .
You should of been like me ... you're a failure , basically .
(Dr. had been briefed by my ol' bully pal , who was the psych nurse I triaged with ... a strange coincidence I thought ...
Kind of almost mystical.


Well ok ... there are more than a few races on this planet to be run mate .

End of vent ( yeah right )

Where I live , it's all about care in the community and integration ...
Sectioning ( or our equivalent) is for the window smashing self fouling public menaces .

Quietly suicidal ? Easy to ignore . Probably most everyone is if they give them selves time to consider ....
Weird suspicion .

 

[ThatSnakeParent]

Hi! From previous experience they only section if your actively noticed trying to commit even then your given a choice to either be admitted onto a ward as a voluntary patient or depending on your risk as a section 138 (emergency) or anot assessed section 2 (28 day section) or section 3 (once youve been on a section 2 you can't be put back onto a section 2 you'll be assessed and if deemed a risk put onto a section 3 immediately which is 6 months but can be appealed with good behaviour.)

This is only my experience of the mental health acts in the UK. I have been diagnosed with emerging BPD and expressed outward determination in suicide and have been admitted multiple times this year. Be careful.

 

[RacilyDank]

Yeah, I guess expressing suicidal intent but with hesitation isn't enough.

Maybe even if I'd disclosed my attempt earlier this week I wouldn't be?

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Well where i am you do get sectioned for saying your suicidal and have a plan to take your own life. Two mental health home team professionals came to my flat, asked loads of questions, left and a few hours later three turned up. As soon as one introduced himself as a psychiatrist i knew how it was gonna go down and was sectioned on the spot and brought into hospital. My date was 21st september but due to the 5minute observations they had me on it was impossible to do anything and im still here waiting to be left alone long enough or get discharged. I have absolutly no intention on living.

 

[ThatSnakeParent]

@RacilyDank what country are you in? To be completely fair it took 3 attempts and near death attempts for me to be admitted onto a ward as an informal patient for 2 months and the nhs kicked me out.

 

[RacilyDank]

@RacilyDank what country are you in? To be completely fair it took 3 attempts and near death attempts for me to be admitted onto a ward as an informal patient for 2 months and the nhs kicked me out.

UK.

The NHS is so shit by the time I got a referral I'd lost everything because of it.

I told them when I first reached out for help I had hope but I didn't even know why I was there because I was sure I was going to kill myself.

 

[ThatSnakeParent]

UK.

The NHS is so shit by the time I got a referral I'd lost everything because of it.

I told them when I first reached out for help I had hope but I didn't even know why I was there because I was sure I was going to kill myself.

I don't know wether I'm interpreting this right but I get the feeling you'd like to be hospitalised (there's no shame in it and I'd be glad if you are because your seeking out help)

Also if you don't mind are you under or over 18? That also plays a big factor in the help you'll receive.

 

[Marystevenson1001]

It's not a problem to be suicidal. If you have a plan, you will get committed. Since you said that there are things stopping you, you are not immediately in danger. If you said nothing is stopping you, and you'll be doing it this afternoon, you'd be committed.

 

[SamK]

Its a bit silly how they work but regardless of whether you say you are suicidal they then look at ''protective factors'' :/ So. Say you said you were suicidal and they asked ''do your kids make you feel better'' and you said yes, then that's a protective factor. Personally i've seen some shocking things as well with psychiatrists. For me, they always sectioned when they shouldn't have and had no clear reason to... but yeah Mary is right if you were in immediate danger and said nothing was stopping you (no protective factors) then they would have


Not sure if that makes sense, i'm tired, sorry! but hope so.

 

[RacilyDank]

I don't know wether I'm interpreting this right but I get the feeling you'd like to be hospitalised (there's no shame in it and I'd be glad if you are because your seeking out help)

Also if you don't mind are you under or over 18? That also plays a big factor in the help you'll receive.

No I don't want to be hospitalised. I want to die. I was just surprised that they didn't, but I guess as I gave them reasons I wasn't going to, I wasn't seen as in immediate danger

 

[worldexploder]

I alwags told my therapists "no" to suicide questions out of fear of being locked up because we don't have freedom of speech on this issue. I use to have a therapist whom I'd talk to very openly about my wish for the right to die to be legalized. But not that I attempted suicide or am thinking about it.

 

[ion900]

I've heard many times of people saying the psychs don't believe their suicidal statements. Sham profession. Might as well code a video game with their job in it. They don't understand that they are claim they are telepathic by claiming they know so much based on body language. When I said I am good with body language reading and such, they say I am delusional. I think because of the fact that I was laughing at funny things on my computer that had something to do with my parents despising me enough to treat me like a cage pig, a lab monkey, less than. This is just a classic power struggle. I talked to these two guys one time who said they works ed for a stock trading company and they said their bossed were dicks. Reminds you that everyone is trying to convince themselves and others that they deserve status and recognition. This is exaggerated with materialist culture and advertisements.

 

[Trashcan]

They probably didn't think you were an imminent danger to yourself due to your second answer. If you said something like, "being here, as soon as I go home I'm going to (insert method here)" they would section you.

 

[Trashcan]

I don't know wether I'm interpreting this right but I get the feeling you'd like to be hospitalised (there's no shame in it and I'd be glad if you are because your seeking out help)

Also if you don't mind are you under or over 18? That also plays a big factor in the help you'll receive.

Out of curiosity could you please elaborate on the second part? For example, are you maybe saying minors get more help than adults?

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

i wrote someone i gonna kill myself soon on whats app and spend 2 weeks in a psych ward against my will

never talk about suicide

 

[ThatSnakeParent]

Out of curiosity could you please elaborate on the second part? For example, are you maybe saying minors get more help than adults?

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's pot luck when your a minor it's 50/50 the help you receive but in the UK unless your a threat to other people or if you can afford a grand a night you aren't getting admitted or helped.

 

[RacilyDank]

I don't know wether I'm interpreting this right but I get the feeling you'd like to be hospitalised (there's no shame in it and I'd be glad if you are because your seeking out help)

Also if you don't mind are you under or over 18? That also plays a big factor in the help you'll receive.

Oh, and I'm way over 18

 

[weedoge]

At my latest assessment, where I was diagnosed bipolar, I was asked the big question... do you feel suicidal?

I told them yes. (This is a mental health professional, not a friend or relative so idgaf)

Next, what is stopping you? Lack of a reliable and peaceful method.

Anything else? Fear. And guilt over the people who care. But at it's worst, I don't really care.

Ok, as you where...

I'm just reflecting on this over honesty and wondering how I didn't get sectioned?

Edit: obviously I didn't tell them I'd just failed an attempt earlier this week.

I'm pretty sure the big question that gets you sectioned is "do you have a plan?" And if you have a fully formulated plan then you'd get sectioned because its one of the biggest warning signs. Along with a previous attempt.

 

[weedoge]

Even then they'd probably ask you to go voluntarily before sectioning you. I've been hospitalised twice but never sectioned. If you get offered a voluntary stay I'd say take it, sectioningis what takes away all your rights I think.

 

[RacilyDank]

I'm pretty sure the big question that gets you sectioned is "do you have a plan?" And if you have a fully formulated plan then you'd get sectioned because its one of the biggest warning signs. Along with a previous attempt.

Well I do have a plan, and a previous although thwarted attempt, but obviously I wasn't going to tell them that.

I guess the answer is that if I was honest maybe I would've been, or at least offered voluntarily.

 

[weedoge]

Well I do have a plan, and a previous although thwarted attempt, but obviously I wasn't going to tell them that.

I guess the answer is that if I was honest maybe I would've been, or at least offered voluntarily.

Yeah I really think they would have if you were honest, but yeah I think its silly they expect actually suicidal people to just spill that stuff with no pressing.