Discussion How Crazy Are You?

[Forever Sleep]

I have a lot of questions around the suicidal brain and wanted to see what other people thought.. I'd like to say that I'm only considering people contemplating suicide for psychological reasons here- not physical ailments.

Firstly I guess- is it crazy to want to commit suicide? I know for some people, suicide can feel like a dark, traumatic and intrusive thought- maybe even a manic thought. Yet for others- it feels more like a logical solution to simply not wanting to suffer [live] anymore.

I remember the first time I contemplated it, I was 10 and it did shock me I suppose initially. Since then though, it feels as if it has become a normal and rational thought to have (rather frequently). Just wondered how many people felt like their suicidal thoughts were rational rather than crazy/intrusive.

I guess most people who are suicidal are suffering from depression and I suppose that is a mental disorder- I mean- it can't be 'normal' in a natural/biological sense to want to end your life. Naturally, we are programmed to survive. Makes me wonder whether our consciousness/brains/thoughts have removed themselves from nature.

I suspect that is a big part of the problem in general though... Rising depression/suicide rates do seem to mirror our breaking away from what is natural for us- we now live high stress, city lives quite often isolated from friends and family eating crap, processed foods and poisoning ourselves with all the industry we depend on.

I mean- we have evolved to be able to think but what evolutionary benefit does depression/suicidal ideation have? I guess the majority of the population don't have these issues but it's still a fair chunk and seems to be rising.

From a very cruel perspective, I suppose it could be construed as a form of natural selection where those afflicted may choose to end their lives and maybe not even procreate their unhappy genes to the next generation.

I've also seen depression described from an evolutionary perspective as being a form of self protection- after being socially attacked, the individual may survive longer if they hide themselves away. Trouble is- I think most people agree that isolation only makes depression intensify.

Guess it's kind of pointless even thinking about this stuff but it does intrigue me I suppose- Just where do we sit in nature? Why are we evolving like we are? Just HOW crazy am I or is this a reasonable response to such a fucked up world? Lol.

Anyway, thank you for reading my thoughts. It does feel good to be able to chat to other people about their experiences and get their take on this thing called life...

 

[jimmy7754]

getting older is terrible

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

I don't think it's crazy

It's a rational response to living in an insane and extreme world

If someone won't admit to being the least bit suicidal I think they're the crazy ones. For example if I asked someone if you became terminally I'll would you consider it and they say no that's nuts to me

 

[Al Cappella]

What I find interesting is to wonder if there's an established link between psychiatric disorders (and from there suicide) and artists. If you look at, as a group, abstract expressionist painters, or the confessionalist poets—they were whacking themselves by the dozen. There has to be a link. So, thence, the idea that creativity to that level carries with it a dark side.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that in a world like this, wanting suicide can be perfectly rational. I have came to the conclusion that my life is not worth living and that for me, the future will only be more suffering so it makes sense to escape from it. We live in a world with unlimited potential for pain, so it is understandable that so many people want to leave this world. Life is completely meaningless after all, and we will all die eventually someday. If someone wants to prevent decades of pain, then they have the right to do so.

 

[CloseFriendofCamus]

I have a lot of questions around the suicidal brain and wanted to see what other people thought.. I'd like to say that I'm only considering people contemplating suicide for psychological reasons here- not physical ailments.

Firstly I guess- is it crazy to want to commit suicide? I know for some people, suicide can feel like a dark, traumatic and intrusive thought- maybe even a manic thought. Yet for others- it feels more like a logical solution to simply not wanting to suffer [live] anymore.

I remember the first time I contemplated it, I was 10 and it did shock me I suppose initially. Since then though, it feels as if it has become a normal and rational thought to have (rather frequently). Just wondered how many people felt like their suicidal thoughts were rational rather than crazy/intrusive.

I guess most people who are suicidal are suffering from depression and I suppose that is a mental disorder- I mean- it can't be 'normal' in a natural/biological sense to want to end your life. Naturally, we are programmed to survive. Makes me wonder whether our consciousness/brains/thoughts have removed themselves from nature.

I suspect that is a big part of the problem in general though... Rising depression/suicide rates do seem to mirror our breaking away from what is natural for us- we now live high stress, city lives quite often isolated from friends and family eating crap, processed foods and poisoning ourselves with all the industry we depend on.

I mean- we have evolved to be able to think but what evolutionary benefit does depression/suicidal ideation have? I guess the majority of the population don't have these issues but it's still a fair chunk and seems to be rising.

From a very cruel perspective, I suppose it could be construed as a form of natural selection where those afflicted may choose to end their lives and maybe not even procreate their unhappy genes to the next generation.

I've also seen depression described from an evolutionary perspective as being a form of self protection- after being socially attacked, the individual may survive longer if they hide themselves away. Trouble is- I think most people agree that isolation only makes depression intensify.

Guess it's kind of pointless even thinking about this stuff but it does intrigue me I suppose- Just where do we sit in nature? Why are we evolving like we are? Just HOW crazy am I or is this a reasonable response to such a fucked up world? Lol.

Anyway, thank you for reading my thoughts. It does feel good to be able to chat to other people about their experiences and get their take on this thing called life...

I think that our grievances come from the evolutionary mistake that is human consciousness. Unfortunately evolution sometimes breeds traits that aren't useful to our survival, and in my humble opinion, our self awareness is a curse. It's a mistake. We're driven so much by some primal ugly violent and generally animalistic instincts which our brain CAN employ against our own free will (judging people on looks or having survival instinct) that our consciousness can't be seen more than a cruel joke by nature.

Think about it, why give humans self awareness and deeper consciousness if we're STILL driven by the same animalistic subconscious instincts?

We're not much better than cats or dogs even

 

[Forever Sleep]

What I find interesting is to wonder if there's an established link between psychiatric disorders (and from there suicide) and artists. If you look at, as a group, abstract expressionist painters, or the confessionalist poets—they were whacking themselves by the dozen. There has to be a link. So, thence, the idea that creativity to that level carries with it a dark side.

Ha ha- I'm a sort of artist! Not a fine artist but maybe I carry that characteristic too. My friend always said she considered me a proper artist because I was suicidal... Lol

 

[Superdeterminist]

Suicide, in this disgusting reality, crazy? No way. As soon as you allow 'badness' aka pain/unpleasantness to exist in a reality, then suicide immediately becomes reasonable, IMO. There are no excuses, no caveats, that can change that, in my mind.

 

[outrider567]

I have a lot of questions around the suicidal brain and wanted to see what other people thought.. I'd like to say that I'm only considering people contemplating suicide for psychological reasons here- not physical ailments.

Firstly I guess- is it crazy to want to commit suicide? I know for some people, suicide can feel like a dark, traumatic and intrusive thought- maybe even a manic thought. Yet for others- it feels more like a logical solution to simply not wanting to suffer [live] anymore.

I remember the first time I contemplated it, I was 10 and it did shock me I suppose initially. Since then though, it feels as if it has become a normal and rational thought to have (rather frequently). Just wondered how many people felt like their suicidal thoughts were rational rather than crazy/intrusive.

I guess most people who are suicidal are suffering from depression and I suppose that is a mental disorder- I mean- it can't be 'normal' in a natural/biological sense to want to end your life. Naturally, we are programmed to survive. Makes me wonder whether our consciousness/brains/thoughts have removed themselves from nature.

I suspect that is a big part of the problem in general though... Rising depression/suicide rates do seem to mirror our breaking away from what is natural for us- we now live high stress, city lives quite often isolated from friends and family eating crap, processed foods and poisoning ourselves with all the industry we depend on.

I mean- we have evolved to be able to think but what evolutionary benefit does depression/suicidal ideation have? I guess the majority of the population don't have these issues but it's still a fair chunk and seems to be rising.

From a very cruel perspective, I suppose it could be construed as a form of natural selection where those afflicted may choose to end their lives and maybe not even procreate their unhappy genes to the next generation.

I've also seen depression described from an evolutionary perspective as being a form of self protection- after being socially attacked, the individual may survive longer if they hide themselves away. Trouble is- I think most people agree that isolation only makes depression intensify.

Guess it's kind of pointless even thinking about this stuff but it does intrigue me I suppose- Just where do we sit in nature? Why are we evolving like we are? Just HOW crazy am I or is this a reasonable response to such a fucked up world? Lol.

Anyway, thank you for reading my thoughts. It does feel good to be able to chat to other people about their experiences and get their take on this thing called life...

Its not a mental disorder to want to commit suicide because of depression--I lost my girlfriend of 35 years, no kids, just us and we had a great relationship--After her sudden death, there is, logically, little joy in my life, to put it mildly, and I don't care about anything anymore without her around sharing my life with her--So, contemplating, and then committing suicide, is, as Spock would say, a logical step, an understandable means to an end

 

[WorthlessTrash]

There's nothing crazy about wanting out from a world you did not consent to being brought into.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Its not a mental disorder to want to commit suicide because of depression--I lost my girlfriend of 35 years, no kids, just us and we had a great relationship--After her sudden death, there is, logically, little joy in my life, to put it mildly, and I don't care about anything anymore without her around sharing my life with her--So, contemplating, and then committing suicide, is, as Spock would say, a logical step, an understandable means to an end

One reason I never will allow myself to go into a relationship like this . I will not deal with the loss in whatever form it comes divorce death or whatever

 

[Forever Sleep]

Its not a mental disorder to want to commit suicide because of depression--I lost my girlfriend of 35 years, no kids, just us and we had a great relationship--After her sudden death, there is, logically, little joy in my life, to put it mildly, and I don't care about anything anymore without her around sharing my life with her--So, contemplating, and then committing suicide, is, as Spock would say, a logical step, an understandable means to an end

I hope this is the emoji for hugs...

One reason I never will allow myself to go into a relationship like this . I will not deal with the loss in whatever form it comes divorce death or whatever

Yes, I know what you mean. I have lost a lot of family to death and I'm miles away from existing family and friends, so I'm not really close to anyone anymore.

I've gotten more used to it now- but initially, the pain of missing them was awful. It does make you consider whether it's 'better' to just not form those close ties when it's possible/likely they will be torn apart- one way or the other.

Still- it's not a great way to live. Seems like you need to choose between having periods of relatively happy connection with people followed by the intense grief of losing them, or isolating and feeling lonely because you will always wonder what you might have missed out on. Seems like there's no winning...

 

[dredd1981]

I'm a retired cop, dealt with my fair share of crazies, suicidal people, nutters, you name it. Never thought I'd be radio rental myself but life has a way of waiting until you're content and happy then taking your world and shaking it like a chronic masturbator crankin his hawg. I've been doing a lot of reading and watching documentaries about life, reincarnation, the paranormal etc and the consensus seems to be that life gives us pain to teach us lessons and help us to grow. Life can kiss the hairiest part of my ass.

 

[shadowchaser]

Not sure. I think I try to rationalize my suicidality by coming up with myriad reasons to logically justify it, but in the end I am mentally ill; if I weren't I wouldn't be focusing so much of my attention on suicide. So I guess yes, I'm crazy, that's what my medical record says. It amuses me if anything - I don't mind it at all :)

 

[whywhywhy]

I think being suicidal is normal. If you think about it, DEATH is the only fair part about life. Like regardless of how much torture you are submitted through life, death will finally come and everything will end.

Believing in a future heaven/eternal life is nuts to me. The concept of inmortality seems worse than the worst torture you can think of. With infinite years you will eventually get bored of everything and everyone, you can be tortured infinitely and it will never stop.

People that call others crazy for thinking like this lack either the experience of feeling chronic suffering or the empathy to see how other people with shitty lives may want to end them.