Discussion How can we actually help suicidal people?

[lostangel]

Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen

The majority of us are here because we want to leave this horrible place called Earth. The help for suicidal people is subpar. It is basic advice that isn't applicable for everybody's situation eg someone trying to die because they got diagnosed with throat cancer vs someone dying because because their partner broke up with them ( not saying their reason isn't valid, I'm just saying they are quite different) .

I feel like nearly everyone here have received ''help'' but that help wasn't very helpful. It was just expensive medication and therapy. Nothing that could solve their problems. We have been through it all and some of us got abandoned from family and friends when they found out about us. They treated us different.

What can we do to actually help suicidal people because there is so much ignorance, misinformation and stigma around it.

I'll start by saying this, more people would get help if they didn't fear of being locked up in a mental hospital for feeling suicidal.

Please post an idea below that can actually help suicidal people. (If there are ways, I know not everybody can be saved but I'm sure there can be hope for someone) I'm not trying to be a pro-lifer or anything just a discussion.

Thank you.

 

[Intheo]

Current modalities certainly do not work. I believe we should take the European model of combating drug addiction and apply it to suicide.
Meaning they should provide centers for safe, painless, medically assisted suicide for people who want to do it, but also provide therapy and other forms of assistance should people change their mind and want to live.

 

[GonnaGoBye]

If they want to, and are fully resolved to do it. Just. Respect their decision and send em off with a smile. So that they may exit in peace and with a smile on their faces.

 

[MyStateKilledMe]

Current modalities certainly do not work. I believe we should take the European model of combating drug addiction and apply it to suicide.
Meaning they should provide centers for safe, painless, medically assisted suicide for people who want to do it, but also provide therapy and other forms of assistance should people change their mind and want to live.

The movie "Soylent Green" had it right to an extent. Come to think of it, that's where I first learned about CTB, after seeing a glimpse of it on TV as a child. The workers of the Home (a government-run assisted suicide center) treated everyone coming in with kindness, dignity, and compassion, and gave them a peaceful, comforting way to end their lives. (drinking hemlock in a comfortable bed while watching nature videos) That's a far cry from how we treat suicidal people in our god-awful society.

 

[Red Dog]

Hello, Ladies and Gentlemen

The majority of us are here because we want to leave this horrible place called Earth. The help for suicidal people is subpar. It is basic advice that isn't applicable for everybody's situation eg someone trying to die because they got diagnosed with throat cancer vs someone dying because because their partner broke up with them ( not saying their reason isn't valid, I'm just saying they are quite different) .

I feel like nearly everyone here have received ''help'' but that help wasn't very helpful. It was just expensive medication and therapy. Nothing that could solve their problems. We have been through it all and some of us got abandoned from family and friends when they found out about us. They treated us different.

What can we do to actually help suicidal people because there is so much ignorance, misinformation and stigma around it.

I'll start by saying this, more people would get help if they didn't fear of being locked up in a mental hospital for feeling suicidal.

Please post an idea below that can actually help suicidal people.

Thank you.

Selfishly my first thought is 'what would help me?'...And for me it's simply about a solution that is painless and that would end my personal torture...that is where I'm at just now. In terms of others.... 'sharing' is a big one because it seems to help with the loneliness...a problem shared etc...but the other biggie might be a local suicide version of AA...for people like me...to meet and greet...to hug and show care...

 

[Rn110bg101]

Since we're talking of things that will never actually happen: definitely being able to talk about my struggles without the fear of being internalised. there is some part of me that hopes to get better, but how could I if I can't even express myself in the first place?

 

[puppy9]

(drinking hemlock in a comfortable bed while watching nature videos)

That's horrible. Hemlock is hell.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

The most effective change would really be a shift in attitudes towards mental health, not just in theory, but in practice. It seems that you're allowed to have mental problems but there are still so many stereotypes around them that the point is totally missed when trying to help people. For starters it needs to be accepted that mental problems are likely to affect how capable someone is of handling certain situations; it's all great acknowledging someone's problems, but if you then accuse them of selfishness or laziness every time their problems cause them to make mistakes in life you totally invalidate their struggles and make them feel punished for finding life difficult.

A lot of people accept mental health issues as a real problem now which is good, but too many people want to simply acknowledge them and never have to hear about them again. There's no sense in accepting that someone struggles with life and then expecting them to handle everything at the same pace as a fully mentally healthy person.

 

[Inferdan]

Maybe depending on the case, a centre would give the person a period of time before going through with it, to make sure the person truly is willing to do it, and it isn't shock (such as losing a close companion/person), though for some cases, people can do it whenever they feel like they're ready. I feel like that would be best, especially for those who go to the centre because they didn't get a pair of shoes or a hat they wanted and are overreacting because of it

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

-UBI
-Guaranteed housing
-Abolition of involuntary commitment
-Free treatments and make MDMA & Psychedelic assisted therapy legal.

 

[WastedSpace]

Letting us talk about suicide the way we can here

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

Since we're talking of things that will never actually happen: definitely being able to talk about my struggles without the fear of being internalised. there is some part of me that hopes to get better, but how could I if I can't even express myself in the first place?

My first thought was that I'm here because nothing can help me, and — quite frankly — I want to die. But this — this might be a good start to changing my mind.

 

[Deformationalplagio]

In my case.. You can't. I think that peopla with serious health conditions or deformitys should have the right to have euthanasia asap. And i live in belgium only getting euthanasia could take almost 2 years.

 

[so tired or manic]

I like the way Patch Adams goes about it, but the hospital isn't up, they're working on getting donations. it'll probably be a very long time.

 

[GoneGoneGone]

For people who are suicidal right now... slim chances. We're gone, it's just a matter of when.

The ideal situation is one in which you prevent other people from turning suicidal and this prevention should start EARLY.

Problems, abuse in the family? That stuff should be nipped in the bud. Not to hear of those horror stories of abused children who were let down by the CPS.
Educate young men and women about healthy relationships... consent...
Make companies highly accountable for burnout with freaking hefty fines... Not to get all political, but I think people's MH would be better in a socialist state...

etc.

 

[Joey]

Healthcare costs in the U.S. are ridiculous. They definitely should lower them down or at least have UBH like in Canada and other countries. That's also one of the reasons why people are afraid to get help too. Do one bad thing and have an ambulance get called on you....BAM $1000+

Adding more stress to on top of whatever already is.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I can say that the open discussion offered here at SS has helped many people. Though this may be helpful to only a certain extent, I'm not sure what beyond that can be done.

 

[XYZ]

To help suiciders society would have to help them before they reach the point they want to end their life. Society would have to eradicate parental abuse, bullying in schools, find cures for diseases,
combat social isolation, unemployment and loads of other stuff. Even that would not be enough of course. We'd still get ppl who want to suicide from a broken heart or existential problems. Help for suiciders? Fuck do I know. The only help I want right now is a pill to put me to sleep forever.

 

[Jumper Geo]

For starters if the ignorant shits who peddle these evil pills actually admitted they cause brain damage or the side effects cause suicidal thoughts, strange I have read a lot on suicide cases of young, middle aged and the elderly and I came across a site which listed 100's of people taking there own life's and what drugs they were on and a brief description of the case, I tried to find it but it seems to have gone now. The shocking thing I noticed was so many were on antidepressants for depression but what they failed to mention was suicidal thoughts is listed as a side effect, strange that they blamed depression and not a mention the pills have side effects which cause suicidal thoughts.

I have given my psychiatrist and consultant the results of me being on 2mg risperidone for 6 months I got severe side effects and I said I would stop they tried to make me stay on them for good after one year I stopped myself and over one year clean of all drugs I haven't recovered it has destroyed my life I said to them I'm brain damaged and they keep saying we think you have depression, I said I'm not down or unhappy I just have no will power or motivation it's like my brain has switched off I don't have the motivation to wash or brush my teeth i get out of bed and walk into the living room and watch TV and surf the internet

I contacted him about one month ago and a follow up two weeks ago and said OK if I have depression what anti dreppressants would you advise and he bloody blanked me and the information I gave them has gone no further as they have known the side effects for 20 years as there are books written by doctors confirming what I have written.

Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs — MFIPortal

In the past two decades, countless medical studies have shown that use of neuroleptic psychiatric drugs (also known as antipsychotics) is associated with structural brain changes, especially when taking high dosages for a long time. These brain changes can include actual shrinkage of the higher...

mindfreedom.org

Antidepressants and suicide risk

A study has found that young adults under the age of 25 have an increased risk of suicide or suicidal thoughts when they take antidepressants, The Independent reported.

www.nhs.uk

Cheers

Geo

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

For starters if the ignorant shits who peddle these evil pills actually admitted they cause brain damage or the side effects cause suicidal thoughts, strange I have read a lot on suicide cases of young, middle aged and the elderly and I came across a site which listed 100's of people taking there own life's and what drugs they were on and a brief description of the case, I tried to find it but it seems to have gone now. The shocking thing I noticed was so many were on antidepressants for depression but what they failed to mention was suicidal thoughts is listed as a side effect, strange that they blamed depression and not a mention the pills have side effects which cause suicidal thoughts.

I have given my psychiatrist and consultant the results of me being on 2mg risperidone for 6 months I got severe side effects and I said I would stop they tried to make me stay on them for good after one year I stopped myself and over one year clean of all drugs I haven't recovered it has destroyed my life I said to them I'm brain damaged and they keep saying we think you have depression, I said I'm not down or unhappy I just have no will power or motivation it's like my brain has switched off I don't have the motivation to wash or brush my teeth i get out of bed and walk into the living room and watch TV and surf the internet

I contacted him about one month ago and a follow up two weeks ago and said OK if I have depression what anti dreppressants would you advise and he bloody blanked me and the information I gave them has gone no further as they have known the side effects for 20 years as there are books written by doctors confirming what I have written.

Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs — MFIPortal

In the past two decades, countless medical studies have shown that use of neuroleptic psychiatric drugs (also known as antipsychotics) is associated with structural brain changes, especially when taking high dosages for a long time. These brain changes can include actual shrinkage of the higher...

mindfreedom.org

Antidepressants and suicide risk

A study has found that young adults under the age of 25 have an increased risk of suicide or suicidal thoughts when they take antidepressants, The Independent reported.

www.nhs.uk

Cheers

Geo

Psychiatrists are the flat-earthers of the medical world; most of them don't care what they are peddling as long as the money keeps rolling in. The fact that a pseudoscience based on subjective opinion has so much power over people is insane on its own.

 

[so tired or manic]

For starters if the ignorant shits who peddle these evil pills actually admitted they cause brain damage or the side effects cause suicidal thoughts

the theory I've heard is that it's not that it causes the suicidal thoughts, it gives the energy to act on the thoughts. so while it doesn't always do shit to make you happier, it can give you more energy.

 

[Jumper Geo]

the theory I've heard is that it's not that it causes the suicidal thoughts, it gives the energy to act on the thoughts. so while it doesn't always do shit to make you happier, it can give you more energy.

Oh, I am getting some, lol

Cheers

Geo

 

[Zappfe lover]

-UBI
-Guaranteed housing
-Abolition of involuntary commitment
-Free treatments and make MDMA & Psychedelic assisted therapy legal.

I would add that free and easily avaible means to die for everyone could work similarly to UBI, in the sense that the social relations would have to adjust to this new reality. People would have to start treating each other with way more care and attention. For instance, a CEO would need to keep his workers' stress levels in check, because you don't want them to simply kill themselves.

 

[Life_and_Death]

I think that if people weren't so judgemental and would let us speak while actually listening it would go a long way to helping. I can't help but noticing post after post of people saying they are lonely or misunderstood.

@Jumper Geo. They had me on rispredone too. I was on it for 1 month. I know the thoughts you're talking about. And if you do some research you will find that suicidal thoughts is one of the possible side effects of it. I know I pay a lot closer attention now to the side effects of what I'm taking

@JoeeWasHere what's UBI?

 

[TAW122]

So many good answers on here, and while I may have made a similar topic in the past, I will add that allowing voluntary euthanasia (for any reason - but with strict screening, vetting, and processes, measures to prevent abuse) as a 'valid' option for people who just hate life and want to cease to exist, would be a big boon. I believe that just having the 'option' would allow people who otherwise may have decided to give up on life to soldier on and continue, knowing that they are in control of their fate and have a way out should they choose to take said option.

This would be implemented in tandem with solving the societal issues (unemployment, inequality, abuse, bullying, and other societal conditions that perpetuate suicidality).

@Life_and_Death UBI is Universal Basic Income. It is a guaranteed income (at the base level) for each citizen of said country.

 

[mrj]

So many good answers on here, and while I may have made a similar topic in the past, I will add that allowing voluntary euthanasia (for any reason - but with strict screening, vetting, and processes, measures to prevent abuse) as a 'valid' option for people who just hate life and want to cease to exist, would be a big boon. I believe that just having the 'option' would allow people who otherwise may have decided to give up on life to soldier on and continue, knowing that they are in control of their fate and have a way out should they choose to take said option.

This would be implemented in tandem with solving the societal issues (unemployment, inequality, abuse, bullying, and other societal conditions that perpetuate suicidality).

This. so much. I have thought about it a lot, and just giving people that option (and all the consequences that would come with it if this was alloweded/even widely accepted. Just being able to openly talk about it would change so much).
Sadly enough i dont think this will happen in the forseeable future, but for me this would be pretty high on the list. Even tho i can understand that there are quite a few reasonable concerns about anything like this.

 

[puppy9]

For starters if the ignorant shits who peddle these evil pills actually admitted they cause brain damage or the side effects cause suicidal thoughts, strange I have read a lot on suicide cases of young, middle aged and the elderly and I came across a site which listed 100's of people taking there own life's and what drugs they were on and a brief description of the case, I tried to find it but it seems to have gone now. The shocking thing I noticed was so many were on antidepressants for depression but what they failed to mention was suicidal thoughts is listed as a side effect, strange that they blamed depression and not a mention the pills have side effects which cause suicidal thoughts.

I have given my psychiatrist and consultant the results of me being on 2mg risperidone for 6 months I got severe side effects and I said I would stop they tried to make me stay on them for good after one year I stopped myself and over one year clean of all drugs I haven't recovered it has destroyed my life I said to them I'm brain damaged and they keep saying we think you have depression, I said I'm not down or unhappy I just have no will power or motivation it's like my brain has switched off I don't have the motivation to wash or brush my teeth i get out of bed and walk into the living room and watch TV and surf the internet

I contacted him about one month ago and a follow up two weeks ago and said OK if I have depression what anti dreppressants would you advise and he bloody blanked me and the information I gave them has gone no further as they have known the side effects for 20 years as there are books written by doctors confirming what I have written.

Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs — MFIPortal

In the past two decades, countless medical studies have shown that use of neuroleptic psychiatric drugs (also known as antipsychotics) is associated with structural brain changes, especially when taking high dosages for a long time. These brain changes can include actual shrinkage of the higher...

mindfreedom.org

Antidepressants and suicide risk

A study has found that young adults under the age of 25 have an increased risk of suicide or suicidal thoughts when they take antidepressants, The Independent reported.

www.nhs.uk

Cheers

Geo

Dude you're on point, psychiatrist are bunch of quacks. They exude this facade of confidence; I know more than thou. This pass two and a half years I've meet them; I always ask them one question. Are benzos addictive and dangerous? They said no. Like WTF!!! I've heard lots of horror science backed cases on danger of benzos, and they can say with a straight face that it's fine. One of em even told me to experiment on how to taper off. That question is my gold standard to even see the psychiatrist again or not. I'm sad for the patients that are ignorant of the danger, and this sick FUCKS are giving it like candies. I'm lucky to not ingest that poison like they said I should. I've tapered off safely and now I'm at 0.25mg per day. Hope to be clean one day.

 

[Csmith8827]

You can't. The. Majority of "people" here are in predicaments or circumstances that defy or go against any sort of human logic. They live under corrupt governments or gods that have no respect for human rights or humanity. Its just evil In a nutshell and no one wants to deal with it. So that's why we leave.

:)

 

[Sprite_Geist]

For starters we need to change the values that society has. I can't speak for everyone since different countries/nations have their own cultures, norms, rules, etc... But where I live, (I'd prefer not to say specifically), our society is ruthlesslessly individualistic.

By this I mean that there is a strong emphasis on being totally independent to the point were it's almost taboo to ask for help - even if you are really struggling. Seeking assistance from someone else or from something else, like the government, is seen as weakness and in some cases a form of entitlement. Apparently being angry at someone for mistreating you is considered "entitled" in the society that I live in, because the individualistic mindset that is promoted here dictates that we are not owed anything; which means it is okay for everyone to screw each other over since we have no "obligation" to be kind, it's basically a rebranding of "dog eat dog", "every man for himself", "I'm alright Jack" or whatever you want to call it. I'm not totally against individualism by the way. It is good in small doses. It's given us "individual rights" such as being able to choose whether or not you want an abortion, freedom of expression, etc... However taken to its extreme has very bad outcomes; the exact same goes for full-blown collectivism.

Instead we need to have values that put more emphasis on being more caring, and not trampling over each other. We need to build a sense of community so that more people feel included; instead of being made to feel ostracized - like the quiet kid at school who is bullied because they are not part of a clique. This wouldn't help everyone who is suicidal because they are a million different reasons why someone would want to end their own lives, and sometimes people don't want/need help which is okay, but it would definately help those who are suicidal due to loneliness.

 

[Serenity]

The entire mental health system needs to be revised. The DSM needs to be scrapped - all it does it label people with a disorder because they are unable to conform to what society deems as "normal" and "proper". It shuns people for being different and not functioning in the wreck this society is. Instead of expecting people to change, maybe we should expect society to change.