How are anti-suicide websites so impossibly dumb?

[nlmr]

I absentmindedly search up "I want to kill myself" sometimes, and it's always ridiculous just how incompetent the results are. My favorite has to be a page which immediately declared I must be male, married, and have kids due to suicide death statistics and premised its entire argument on that basis. I don't understand how not only are all the search engine results anti-choice (some level of censorship, I imagine) but how they're so consistently poor quality. Many of them read like the author has never even met a suicidal person.

Anyone else have a favorite awful quality anti-choice webpage?

 

[wljourney]

It's not censorship.

It's part of the business risk management of the company whose browser/search engine you are using.

And I don't mean "risk" as in suicide.
It's about financial and reputational risk.

Google & Co don't want to risk being sued by surviving families for "enabling" people to die by suicide.
So they push suicide prevention sites in your search results to be able to say "we tried to help".

It's simply about money, risk of being sued and the potential harm to their brand (which influences the value of the company as a whole).

 

[TheBroken]

All pretty much accurate points. To some degree, when reading many of the threads on SS, one could also come to the conclusion that this site is - in part - also filled with dumb, inacurate, or irrelevant/incomplete content. On the bright side, SS does contain full-spectrum dialogue, which is good and not found anywhere else.

 

[wljourney]

SS does contain full-spectrum dialogue, which is good and not found anywhere else.

I would even go a step further and say: this forum prevents people from harming themselves severely by methods that are prone to fail and leave them worse off.

IMO SS is equally important as suicide-prevention forums are, since it provides (mostly) reliable information and enables people to make an informed decision, talk openly about suicidal ideations and reevaluate their wish.

 

[AloneInCollege]

I guarantee this site has helped more people not commit suicide then those sites. Here you can actually talk with people who know what you are feeling, and not get preached to about how life is so great and you should just go outside and be happy.

 

[FuneralCry]

We live in a society where our right to die is not respected and the society expects us to suffer until old age against our wishes. People should be able to exit peacefully at a time of their own choosing, suicide should not be seen as something wrong, it is a personal choice. Life is completely meaningless after all and we will all die eventually someday. If people want to live then good for them, but they should not try and force others to. Even the anti choice people could become suicidal and then they would want a peaceful exit. Those anti choice websites do sound like a waste of time and very useless. Platitudes cannot fix anyones problems or make anyone less suicidal.

 

[The Abyss]

These sites like many "experts" have never gone through the very thing they themselves claim to be well versed in & likely don't have a close association with anyone that did. Add to this censorship as you're a child & the authority is an adult that knows best as far as they're concerned.

It's like a group to help drug addicts & the suicidal, I'd rather listen to someone that has hit rock bottom but overcame it to pull through as opposed to some nitwit with a university degree that's never had depression or a severe problem that affected them.

 

[Aplev]

Oh brother, I've been thinking about making a post about this actually. So the other day I decided to bring this subject in a chat with AI, just out of curiosity, and oh my goodness, the answers!! I don't even know where to start with all the assumptions (wrong by the way, based on my own personal experience and those of people in SS). The AI assumed I was a young boy, in my teenage years and going through a temporary bad situation, nothing that wouldn't go away with time, right? Everything just gets better with time, anyway, right? ... such a disgusting experience. Oh, and the one that couldn't be missed: seek therapy (like if many of us didn't do that a billion times before and it just doesn't work, with many therapists not giving a damn about patients and just caring about their own reputation as "professionals", and the money they can get out of people's suffering... disgusting and repulsive). I think what is most terrifying is to think that humans feed AI. So if AI are saying these things, well, that talks volumes about the people who programmed them.

It's like a group to help drug addicts & the suicidal, I'd rather listen to someone that has hit rock bottom but overcame it to pull through as opposed to some nitwit with a university degree that's never had depression or a severe problem that affected them.

All the way, definitely. People who didn't go through some serious %$#% simply do not know what it's like.

 

[alonely]

"live for your family" dont have any
"live for your friends" dont have any
"live for your pets" dont have any
"live to reach your goals" dont have any
"this feeling is temporary" 20 years of a feeling isnt temporary
"live for <religious reason>" im an athiest
"death is forever" i goddamn hope it is

every reason they try to give just reminds me more of why i want to CTB

 

[Sweet Tart]

It's not censorship.

It's part of the business risk management of the company whose browser/search engine you are using.

And I don't mean "risk" as in suicide.
It's about financial and reputational risk.

Google & Co don't want to risk being sued by surviving families for "enabling" people to die by suicide.
So they push suicide prevention sites in your search results to be able to say "we tried to help".

It's simply about money, risk of being sued and the potential harm to their brand (which influences the value of the company as a whole).

Depressingly accurate and well said.

 

[Hdxp1]

I do this all the time actually, sort of like an instinct whenever I'm depressed and hopeless. I just search on google on how to kill myself and then I get all kinds of dumb vlogs telling me on "Why I should live". And how I'm supposed to "Remember those around me". The worst sites are the ones that clickbait you with methods then proceed to lecture you on how suicide "le bad" and that you need to be alive because they said so.

Still, by searching on how to kill myself, I found this site through that famous video on YT made by that Youtuber who complained about this site's existence and claimed it "exploits" vulnerable people. I'm glad he made that video because I never would've found this site otherwise.

 

[Jolene79]

I would even go a step further and say: this forum prevents people from harming themselves severely by methods that are prone to fail and leave them worse off.

IMO SS is equally important as suicide-prevention forums are, since it provides (mostly) reliable information and enables people to make an informed decision, talk openly about suicidal ideations and reevaluate their wish.

Yes. Just letting people talk about the pain of what they're experiencing, to be real, genuine and honest when they can't be anywhere else could absolutely keep someone going.

 

[Aplev]

Yes. Just letting people talk about the pain of what they're experiencing, to be real, genuine and honest when they can't be anywhere else could absolutely keep someone going.

I wish I could just die, but I just can't seem to be able to gather the strength to do so as I did during my other attempts. Plus, I don't want to fail yet again and go through the frustration, let alone being sent to my parents' house or an asylum, I've already been in both and even if I am not going through a good time, these would be terrible options. So I am just sticking around until something happens and I just vanish, but in the meanwhile, being here and expressing myself absolutely keeps me going and helps me gather the strength to do what I need to do in order to survive in a way that I don't go just absolutely crazy.

 

[Archness]

ofc anti-suicide websites are no-good.

It's not made for anyone, just "suicidal people", so it can often just be generic statements trying to bypass the actual problems, deny, etc while fundamentally assuming alot esp that it's "not that bad".

Lets also not forget that these kinds of messages/sites are as much for the people making them as for their "target audiences". They can say they're doing something good.

 

[Homo erectus]

What people read and think is very much controlled by the media and search engines. The censorship on chat bots is even worse. But this forum still exists. It can still be found on search engines. It seems the society as a whole wants to keep pro-choice discussions in a small forum, keeping it low profile, hidden from the general public. This makes it look extreme and unpopular.