Homelessness or CBT

[Manfrotto99]

I am curious to know, if faced with the only option of choosing to CBT or be homeless what would you choose? and why?

I will be facing homelessness in the not too distant future. With chronic housing shortage and increased cost of living, it is inevitable. I have made plans to CBT rather than face homelessness, its not an option for me, but a part of me also feels inferior to those to that would choose otherwise. To me a life without pets, a safe roof over my head and a garden to tend to, lacks any quality and is not worth living- but I have nothing else, I'm alone, unwell and have no family and I also realise those things help me to deal with overwhelming chronic depression. Also I could not physically deal with the stresses of being homeless. I'm a woman in my early 50s', so no chance of things changing, its a fast slippering slope down hill - though it has been that way for the past10 years.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

I've been homeless before because I had to run away from family. I live in assisted living right now. I've been suicidal in both cases. In both circumstances there are kind hearted people that can make things easier, you have to go through some struggles though. I miss my pets.

 

[oddetoad]

First of all my deepest condolences..
I hope you find roof over your head.

These are just my thoughts but living with a roof over your head in this hellhole is like letting God (or the controllers is a more fitting word)
F*** you as hard as he can in your a**.

Being homeless here is like letting him urinare in your mouth.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm so sorry for your situation. Personally, no- I don't think I could cope with homelessness. That's not to say I'm condoning CTB in relation to it. It's just I don't think I could cope. I want to CTB even if I'm fiancially solvent. Things feel shitty enough even with my basic needs covered. I'm so sorry. Are there any charities that could help you? Are you eligible for benefits? It doesn't seem right that people are forced into CTB if they don't truly want that.

 

[Ernest1964]

For me, I would choose CTB. Losing control of my living situation is like losing control of my life. Having self determination is the most valuable thing in life to me. Homelessness is a lack of control of my life. That's it... I'm done.

 

[Manfrotto99]

First of all my deepest condolences..
I hope you find roof over your head.

These are just my thoughts but living with a roof over your head in this hellhole is like letting God (or the controllers is a more fitting word)
F*** you as hard as he can in your a**.

Being homeless here is like letting him urinare in your mouth.

thank you, yes well put and after dealing with God ie. local Council f...... me with all their bull, very very true and has also contributed greatly to my decision to CBT...no way out

 

[f1f7y8yoL053r]

Im homeless now. I live in a van, almost out of money. I struggle with that decision daily. I think if I didn't have my van to live in I'd have CTB already. Imo my life isn't worth the stress and struggle.

 

[Manfrotto99]

I'm so sorry for your situation. Personally, no- I don't think I could cope with homelessness. That's not to say I'm condoning CTB in relation to it. It's just I don't think I could cope. I want to CTB even if I'm fiancially solvent. Things feel shitty enough even with my basic needs covered. I'm so sorry. Are there any charities that could help you? Are you eligible for benefits? It doesn't seem right that people are forced into CTB if they don't truly want that.

Yes there are charities that can help, I know a lady my age, who has nothing to her name like me. She was helped by a church and is now house hoping and does volunteer work. She makes me feel bad- but not intentionally by any means. However she does get sickness benefit. Though I have chronic fatique and depression, I'm not entitled to any benefits. Also she has a very different personality to me, she's from an abusive family like me but learnt to be highly independent from a young age, she's an extrovert with avoidance problems. I on the other hand am a dependent introvert with major anxiety issues and a obvious tremor.

Im homeless now. I live in a van, almost out of money. I struggle with that decision daily. I think if I didn't have my van to live in I'd have CTB already. Imo my life isn't worth the stress and struggle.

I am very sorry your in that situation. Yes that's what I would think, not worth the stress and struggle. I really hope things change for you soon.

 

[notherenotnow]

If I was in this situation, i would definitely ctb. The thought of not having a roof over my head terrifies me, I guess. Also I wouldn't want to get written off as an alcocholic or anything like that.

 

[Manfrotto99]

I've been homeless before because I had to run away from family. I live in assisted living right now. I've been suicidal in both cases. In both circumstances there are kind hearted people that can make things easier, you have to go through some struggles though. I miss my pets.

I'm sorry that you are homeless because you had to get away from your family. However, the older I've become, the less I find people to be helpful. People tend to want to help the young more than the old. I think it's that they see the potential for change and their efforts may not be wasted.

If I was in this situation, i would definitely ctb. The thought of not having a roof over my head terrifies me, I guess. Also I wouldn't want to get written off as an alcocholic or anything like that.

Yes, I want to keep some dignity about me too.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes there are charities that can help, I know a lady my age, who has nothing to her name like me. She was helped by a church and is now house hoping and does volunteer work. She makes me feel bad- but not intentionally by any means. However she does get sickness benefit. Though I have chronic fatique and depression, I'm not entitled to any benefits. Also she has a very different personality to me, she's from an abusive family like me but learnt to be highly independent from a young age, she's an extrovert with avoidance problems. I on the other hand am a dependent introvert with major anxiety issues and a obvious tremor.

I guess I'd say it depends on why she makes you feel bad. I imagine it's because she's doing what you think you should be? In which case- then it's a matter I guess of why you aren't. I completely get the introverted shyness thing by the way. But- if you'd welcome the help but feel inhibited to ask- I'd say- you're just as deserving of it as she is. I'm sure it would feel uncomfortable but- maybe she would be willing to help you take the first steps to get that help. Maybe it's worth trying at least? I don't know. I have certain hang ups myself that would definitely prevent me from doing certain things. In my case- I certainly would prefer to CTB than face some of them!

If it's more that you've truly had enough though, then I guess that's different and I understand that too. I guess you have to have a really good think about what you want in a way. Some things can feel worth facing fears for. Sometimes they even work out to be worthwhile. It's one of those things we don't really know until we try I guess. I'm sorry you're facing all this.

 

[FuneralCry]

I'd prefer to die over any kind of existence personally, I don't see any value in existing as a conscious being in this world filled with endless cruelty and suffering, it's horrifying how such a thing as homelessness even exists in the first place. I'd certainly rather not exist for all eternity, existence in general just repulses me, in my case ceasing to exist would be a positive thing as it means peace from the torturous burden that is having the ability to exist.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I'm sorry you have to go through this. The older we become the harder it is to get out of such an awful situation. I personally would prefer to CTB bc a honorable suicide in dignity is much better than a life that most likely will decline further. Nobody deservers such a humiliation like becoming homeless. I'm a few years younger than you.

 

[DeadHead]

Sounds like you're in the UK dealing with corrupt Council thugs.
Sounds horrendous. I'm around your age, probably older. Society wants us dead and gone.

 

[Gonnerr]

I would prefer ctb over homelessness. It must be so hard sleeping in shelter with stranger with all the noise and the crazy people. You know , the fear of getting rob or beat.

Life is hell enough with a roof over our head. Without it SI will be easy to beat.

 

[DoubleUp8]

1st off I don't like to use the word homeless because it has become an epithet. A slur. I usually say economically displaced or the people dying on the streets. I also get extremely angry at those who say this phenomenon is due to drugs, alcohol and mental illness. Just a little bit of reasoning debunks this. When I was growing up in America, we didn't have all these people dying on the streets. Drugs alcohol and mental illness have existed 4ever. We didn't have people dying on the streets in these numbers in America in the 1930s great depression and you're saying skyrocketing housing costs have nothing to do with it. I live in California and Nevada and housing costs have tripled and quadrupled in just the last 10 years. Meanwhile we get a 3.something percent cost of living increase in social security increase for 2024 with runaway inflation of today. I'm curious about where people live who post here and if this issue as bad in Europe for instance as in USA. Is everyone faced with this in USA? Never have been to other nations.

 

[Ash’Girl]

In the U.K. in decades past it was far easier for varying reasons to afford a mortgage even on a modest wage. If things went to pot, and you couldn't afford your mortgage any longer, and essentially became homeless, the waiting list for social housing was not so long as it is now.

But they sold off most of the social housing and didn't replace it resulting in massive waiting lists for homes, that are dependent on a points system for priority. With so many waiting, it can take a very long time. They'll often say they'll put you in "temporary accommodation" but oftimes if you have an income it's ridiculously expensive and you also then are at the mercy of fate as to those you need to share space with and how decent they are or are not. They also tend to have ridiculous curfews - like be in your room by a certain time at night. What if you do shift work? What if you want to visit a friend overnight? It's crazy like a prison system.

Depending where you are, private rentals are through the roof and largely unaffordable but also in demand, and there's been an epidemic almost of landlords buying accommodation with the goal to make money out of short term lets. They are able to also price the average buyer out the housing market because they can afford more than the asking price. It's just a cycle of shit, to be honest, though I suspect much the same in other countries.

OP, can you get some back up re your mental health issues from your GP? It may help at the housing office if you can push from this angle. It's very hard to do though when you are depressed, I get that. I'm sorry you are going through this. I think I would rather ctb than be on the streets or even in shared temporary accommodation as my anxiety would make me completely crazy. I need a safe space to hide from the world.

 

[LittleBlackCat]

Can you apply to housing associations, assuming you are in the UK? You say you are early 50's… there are lots of HA properties available with an age 55 requirement.. just a thought, maybe you could hang on until 55?

I think about becoming homeless all the time., I'm in a relationship that I want to escape. I'd like to live somewhere secure, such as a council or housing association place.. I spend all my time looking. I'm not over 55 so my chances are slim but when I search I see loads of these properties. If you're in London it could be different of course, the situation is worse there.

Sorry I don't have any advice.. someone above mentions they live in a van, at this point this option is the only real feasible one.. I just need to learn to drive.

 

[oddetoad]

Im sending my thoughts to you Crinia and hope it will manifest in a new home for you

 

[Spiritual survivor]

. Before u give up I recommend this guys videos. He's very encouraging and can help improve your perspective.

 

[.dreamless.]

CTB without thinking too long. The thought of trying to survive with the lowest quality of life you can possibly have in this rotten and currupt life disgust me.

 

[BlazingBob]

I am curious to know, if faced with the only option of choosing to CBT or be homeless what would you choose? and why?

I will be facing homelessness in the not too distant future. With chronic housing shortage and increased cost of living, it is inevitable. I have made plans to CBT rather than face homelessness, its not an option for me, but a part of me also feels inferior to those to that would choose otherwise. To me a life without pets, a safe roof over my head and a garden to tend to, lacks any quality and is not worth living- but I have nothing else, I'm alone, unwell and have no family and I also realise those things help me to deal with overwhelming chronic depression. Also I could not physically deal with the stresses of being homeless. I'm a woman in my early 50s', so no chance of things changing, its a fast slippering slope down hill - though it has been that way for the past10 years.

I'm 51 and facing the same thing. Chronic illness including probable me/cfs have rendered me useless and unable to be productive enough to pull my own weight. Where I am studio apartments start at 2k and they want you to make at least 3 times that per month. Even having a place to live I have zero quality of life because of my health issues. I'm just done. I'm done trying. I'm exhausted and just want to not exist and not deal with life's bullshit any more.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don't want to live now even though i have a place to reside. for me it would be a trillion times worse being homeless. there is no way I would become homeless . i pick ctb. I pick ctb soon anyway.

The only thing holding me back is i don't have a method that is 99%. If i had a method that was 99% reliable I don't care if i won $900 million dollars i would suicide that day.

I wonder how many people here and then in the world would ctb within a week, if they were offered a painless, quick, inexpensive , easy , guranteed to work at least 99.99% reliability? I think that's what holding a lot of people up here fear of failure remaining alive but in a worse condition which a very reliable method 99.99% would take care of that fear. then fear of pain .

 

[jbear824]

CTB no question. As a homeless person you are treated and regarded as trash. As a failed human being undeserving of help, respect, or kindness. People all across the spectrums actively wish death on the homeless everyday. I would do it, and I would try to traumatize homeless haters as much as I could on the way out. Fuck those people.

 

[oddetoad]

CTB no question. As a homeless person you are treated and regarded as trash. As a failed human being undeserving of help, respect, or kindness. People all across the spectrums actively wish death on the homeless everyday. I would do it, and I would try to traumatize homeless haters as much as I could on the way out. Fuck those people.

You sir deserve a medal for that statement

Them and also breeders.

 

[EndingEagle]

CTB. Homelessness would mean by proxy the loss of any and all even remotely good things from my life.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Can you apply to housing associations, assuming you are in the UK? You say you are early 50's… there are lots of HA properties available with an age 55 requirement.. just a thought, maybe you could hang on until 55?

I think about becoming homeless all the time., I'm in a relationship that I want to escape. I'd like to live somewhere secure, such as a council or housing association place.. I spend all my time looking. I'm not over 55 so my chances are slim but when I search I see loads of these properties. If you're in London it could be different of course, the situation is worse there.

Sorry I don't have any advice.. someone above mentions they live in a van, at this point this option is the only real feasible one.. I just need to learn to dr

Can you apply to housing associations, assuming you are in the UK? You say you are early 50's… there are lots of HA properties available with an age 55 requirement.. just a thought, maybe you could hang on until 55?

I think about becoming homeless all the time., I'm in a relationship that I want to escape. I'd like to live somewhere secure, such as a council or housing association place.. I spend all my time looking. I'm not over 55 so my chances are slim but when I search I see loads of these properties. If you're in London it could be different of course, the situation is worse there.

Sorry I don't have any advice.. someone above mentions they live in a van, at this point this option is the only real feasible one.. I just need to learn to drive.

I'm in Australia and there is a severe shortage of housing here now

I guess I'd say it depends on why she makes you feel bad. I imagine it's because she's doing what you think you should be? In which case- then it's a matter I guess of why you aren't. I completely get the introverted shyness thing by the way. But- if you'd welcome the help but feel inhibited to ask- I'd say- you're just as deserving of it as she is. I'm sure it would feel uncomfortable but- maybe she would be willing to help you take the first steps to get that help. Maybe it's worth trying at least? I don't know. I have certain hang ups myself that would definitely prevent me from doing certain things. In my case- I certainly would prefer to CTB than face some of them!

If it's more that you've truly had enough though, then I guess that's different and I understand that too. I guess you have to have a really good think about what you want in a way. Some things can feel worth facing fears for. Sometimes they even work out to be worthwhile. It's one of those things we don't really know until we try I guess. I'm sorry you're facing all this.

thanks, I think it's because a part of me judges myself as weak and that I should be able to tough it out - but It's not just homelessness, it's also having severe depression and not having any quality of life and being able to afford the things that help me personally cope with the depression. Being homeless is very stressful and tough on anyone, I also don't have the energy or health to deal with that with have even more stress after everything I've been through- and what for? to remain in this cruel world?

In the U.K. in decades past it was far easier for varying reasons to afford a mortgage even on a modest wage. If things went to pot, and you couldn't afford your mortgage any longer, and essentially became homeless, the waiting list for social housing was not so long as it is now.

But they sold off most of the social housing and didn't replace it resulting in massive waiting lists for homes, that are dependent on a points system for priority. With so many waiting, it can take a very long time. They'll often say they'll put you in "temporary accommodation" but oftimes if you have an income it's ridiculously expensive and you also then are at the mercy of fate as to those you need to share space with and how decent they are or are not. They also tend to have ridiculous curfews - like be in your room by a certain time at night. What if you do shift work? What if you want to visit a friend overnight? It's crazy like a prison system.

Depending where you are, private rentals are through the roof and largely unaffordable but also in demand, and there's been an epidemic almost of landlords buying accommodation with the goal to make money out of short term lets. They are able to also price the average buyer out the housing market because they can afford more than the asking price. It's just a cycle of shit, to be honest, though I suspect much the same in other countries.

OP, can you get some back up re your mental health issues from your GP? It may help at the housing office if you can push from this angle. It's very hard to do though when you are depressed, I get that. I'm sorry you are going through this. I think I would rather ctb than be on the streets or even in shared temporary accommodation as my anxiety would make me completely crazy. I need a safe space to hide from the world.

yes the housing situation is the same here in Australia. Unfortunately the GP is unable to help, she has said she would if she could, but disability support is incredibly hard to get here.

1st off I don't like to use the word homeless because it has become an epithet. A slur. I usually say economically displaced or the people dying on the streets. I also get extremely angry at those who say this phenomenon is due to drugs, alcohol and mental illness. Just a little bit of reasoning debunks this. When I was growing up in America, we didn't have all these people dying on the streets. Drugs alcohol and mental illness have existed 4ever. We didn't have people dying on the streets in these numbers in America in the 1930s great depression and you're saying skyrocketing housing costs have nothing to do with it. I live in California and Nevada and housing costs have tripled and quadrupled in just the last 10 years. Meanwhile we get a 3.something percent cost of living increase in social security increase for 2024 with runaway inflation of today. I'm curious about where people live who post here and if this issue as bad in Europe for instance as in USA. Is everyone faced with this in USA? Never have been to other nations.

I'm in Australia and it is the same here. I'm in WA and for some reason beyond my understanding we have had an influx of migrants the past few years plus there is a shortage of materials and builders, which has caused severe housing shortage and cost of housing to skyrocket along with inflation, making those with properties wealthy and those without, not being able to afford somewhere to live. Many young people have moved back into their parents houses and have to rely on a handout from their parents in order to get into the market. Older people who don't already have a property are screwed and older women like myself have been the worse hit.

 

[Manfrotto99]

. Before u give up I recommend this guys videos. He's very encouraging and can help improve your perspective.

Thank you, he does put a different perspective on things and reminds me how different people are. Bless him, he is able to make that way of life work for him. He chooses to be free to travel and not be tied down by the system. As he says, even if he won the lotto he would still choose that way of life. He also says he wants to challenge himself and do it tough, plus he is able to make money on the streets. Personally I've never been interested in travelling and would much prefer to be tied down with a roof over my head and a garden and dog to look after. I've suffered years of abuse and am in no position physically or mentally to deal with homelessness.

 

[Manfrotto99]

I'm so sorry for your situation. Personally, no- I don't think I could cope with homelessness. That's not to say I'm condoning CTB in relation to it. It's just I don't think I could cope. I want to CTB even if I'm fiancially solvent. Things feel shitty enough even with my basic needs covered. I'm so sorry. Are there any charities that could help you? Are you eligible for benefits? It doesn't seem right that people are forced into CTB if they don't truly want that.

I still wan't to CTB regardless. I just wouldn't do it if I had a roof over my head and some quality of life. To me that simply means having a dog and a garden, being able to enjoy the things that help my chronic fatique and depression....otherwise they just become overwhelming and take over. Of cause we all want a forever home and somewhere safe to grow old. I wouldn't last long on the Street and I'd rather CTB before that.

 

[Looking4TheExit]

I hate how bad homelessness has risen if I had a lot of money I'd buy one of these storage unit places around where I live and establish a homeless shelter too bad only the evil and greedy become wealthy.