Discussion High profile suicides I contemplate

[Fadeawaaaay]

Chester Bennington, Robin Williams, Kurt Cobain, Taylor Hawkins as mentioned Chris Cornell.

Taylor Hawkins didn't kill himself he died of a drug OD

Paparazzi on the trail, waiting for retail outlets to close in order to go shopping, career decisions under public scrutiny, being subject to constant criticism etc.

The examples mentioned above are more than a few disadvantages, that wealth cannot compensate entirely for giving up certain freedoms. By the way, it doesn't mean I'm perpetuating a stereotype that poverty = happiness as you claim.

I suggest you look at the Classic Hollywood era. Underneath all the glitz and glamour was stress and pressure, to live up to images created by greedy studio bosses. Some navigated through the maze successfully, but others became literal casualties.

Losing privacy is a bummer… But having great wealth can reduce money stress and buy a lot of things that create happiness… Really good mental health care… Ability to see friends… To eat properly and exercise… To indulge in interests…

 

[Doombox]

We don't know if any rich/famous people come to this board for info, and I don't think we should invalidate their experiences just because some of us can't imagine what it's like to have money and still want to die. If anything that must be even more horrible in its own way, to have the resources and still not be able to be happy.

I heard that drugs were a big factor in this, they can obviously really mess up a person's emotions.

Yeah, with Dylan Thomas (the poet) it was alcohol.

 

[blue_muse]

Losing privacy is a bummer… But having great wealth can reduce money stress and buy a lot of things that create happiness… Really good mental health care… Ability to see friends… To eat properly and exercise… To indulge in interests…

Spending thousands to see a mental health professional in plusher surroundings, doesn't necessarily guarantee better mental health - Michael Jackson is a good example. There are countless articles written about the famous checking in and out of rehab, like a revolving door. In the world of fame; finding and maintaining friendships is a lot more work, because they can't just make friends with anyone they encounter. I mention again, that the pressures of fame don't always enable healthy living. Famous people, like Royals, live to a schedule that doesn't always leave room for downtime to pursue hobbies.

You illustrate an idyllic view of fame.

 

[ImmaMacGuffin]

I looked that up, and that's a strange story. Did you all come to any conclusions on the forum?

General consensus is that Chris suffered chronic depression and suicidal ideation from a very young age (as documented by his own words and song lyrics). In and out of rehab, gaslighting by his *second* family of adult grifters which most probably led to money issues: lots of receipts regarding living expenses above his earnings. He allegedly footed bills/expenses for his extended second family including paying off a brother in-in-laws lawsuit regarding a DUI where a poor soul was killed; a failed Paris restaurant; buying rights to a book said brother in law (who had no film experience but wanted to make a film on the Zodiac Killer); traveling with the WHOLE family by private jet all over the world; house purchases in LA/NYC, pricey rentals in other cities.

There's also speculation the second wife sold Chris' catalog (to Hipgnosis) before actually telling him, which again, leads one to believe there wasn't enough money coming into the household. Chris was pretty much non stop touring for the last decade, either with Soundgarden or solo, and had suggested to Tom Morello they restart Audioslave for some kind of tour (there is video footage where CC actually suggests that to Morello)

Yes, Chris Cornell made his own decision to CTB, (I will never give any individual that much power to say they affected someone else's suicide, for it diminishes that person's right for self-determination) but I believe the above were mitigating circumstances, jmho.

 

[Doombox]

General consensus is that Chris suffered chronic depression and suicidal ideation from a very young age (as documented by his own words and song lyrics). In and out of rehab, gaslighting by his *second* family of adult grifters which most probably lead to money issues: lots of receipts regarding living expenses above his earnings. He allegedly footed bills/expenses for his extended second family including paying off a brother in-in-laws lawsuit regarding a DUI where a poor soul was killed; a failed Paris restaurant; buying rights to a book said brother in law (who had no film experience but wanted to make a film on the Zodiac Killer); traveling with the WHOLE family by private jet all over the world; house purchases in LA/NYC, pricey rentals in other cities.

There's also speculation the second wife sold Chris' catalog (to Hipgnosis) before actually telling him, which again, leads one to believe there wasn't enough money coming in to the household. Chris was pretty much non stop touring for the last decade, either with Soundgarden or solo, and had suggested to Tom Morello they restart Audioslave for some kind of tour (there is video footage where CC actually suggests that to Morello)

Yes, Chris Cornell made his own decision to CTB, but I believe the above were mitigating circumstances, jmho.

It sounds overwhelming.

 

[blue_muse]

General consensus is that Chris suffered chronic depression and suicidal ideation from a very young age (as documented by his own words and song lyrics). In and out of rehab, gaslighting by his *second* family of adult grifters which most probably led to money issues: lots of receipts regarding living expenses above his earnings. He allegedly footed bills/expenses for his extended second family including paying off a brother in-in-laws lawsuit regarding a DUI where a poor soul was killed; a failed Paris restaurant; buying rights to a book said brother in law (who had no film experience but wanted to make a film on the Zodiac Killer); traveling with the WHOLE family by private jet all over the world; house purchases in LA/NYC, pricey rentals in other cities.

There's also speculation the second wife sold Chris' catalog (to Hipgnosis) before actually telling him, which again, leads one to believe there wasn't enough money coming into the household. Chris was pretty much non stop touring for the last decade, either with Soundgarden or solo, and had suggested to Tom Morello they restart Audioslave for some kind of tour (there is video footage where CC actually suggests that to Morello)

Yes, Chris Cornell made his own decision to CTB, (I will never give any individual that much power to say they affected someone else's suicide, for it diminishes that person's right for self-determination) but I believe the above were mitigating circumstances, jmho.

He stood no chance with that many hangers-on.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Spending thousands to see a mental health professional in plusher surroundings, doesn't necessarily guarantee better mental health - Michael Jackson is a good example. There are countless articles written about the famous checking in and out of rehab, like a revolving door. In the world of fame; finding and maintaining friendships is a lot more work, because they can't just make friends with anyone they encounter. I mention again, that the pressures of fame don't always enable healthy living. Famous people, like Royals, live to a schedule that doesn't always leave room for downtime to pursue hobbies.

You illustrate an idyllic view of fame.

Well of course we know there's loads and loads of extremely wealthy people who are extremely miserable… But financial difficulty is obviously not their problem….

you have other folks like me - Where financial difficulty is the problem…

There was this fellow Stephen Bing who inherited a half billion dollars- blew through it all… By the time he CTBed - Only had $300,000 left and a big credit card bill

 

[blue_muse]

Well of course we know there's loads and loads of extremely wealthy people who are extremely miserable… But financial difficulty is obviously not their problem….

you have other folks like me - Where financial difficulty is the problem…

There was this fellow Stephen Bing who inherited a half billion dollars- blew through it all… By the time he CTBed - Only had $300,000 left and a big credit card bill

Money doesn't always equate to living carefree. Like if someone owned a Yacht; on the outside it's beautiful, but inside there are a whole set of responsibilities in maintaining it. There's cleaning, diagnostics, workers' payroll etc.

 

[Julgran]

Regarding well-off people being suicidal, keep in mind that they are also only human - meaning that they could have ended their lives because someone they knew died, or any other reason at all, really.

I understand the whole discussion around being wealthy, but being wealthy doesn't automaticallly free a person from their potential other causes of suffering.

I may be missing some important element to life here, but I'm guessing that most people strive for good enough wealth, health, love and self-fulfillment, and if one or more is missing, there may simply be no point to life.

When I think about such people, I think of Tim Bergling / Avicii.

 

[outrider567]

I wonder how they got partial to work- they had huge homes where they could be separated- maybe they had multiple attempts and kept working inh the method until they got it to work, or maybe they did a lot of reseacrh to get it just right. The alimony caused stress for Robin, but he was still in a good place financially- a $50 million net worth plus many millions set up in trust funds for his children, possibly up to $20 million each. The alimnoy stress may have played a role, but his mental condition was the key thing.

Robin Williams was also depressed about his open heart surgery when he was only 58

Well of course we know there's loads and loads of extremely wealthy people who are extremely miserable… But financial difficulty is obviously not their problem….

you have other folks like me - Where financial difficulty is the problem…

There was this fellow Stephen Bing who inherited a half billion dollars- blew through it all… By the time he CTBed - Only had $300,000 left and a big credit card bill

Same with Huntington Hartford('I want to be remembered for something')---He didn't CTB but wound up old alone and poor, after going thru $200 million dollars, but in today's money, probably more like a Billion Dollars
Not many people today remember Freddie Prinze, who was a young successful comedian, and had a top ten show called Chico And The Man'(1979)---He shot himself to death after his wife left him--He was only 22 years old

 

[Someone123]

Robin Williams was also depressed about his open heart surgery when he was only 58

That's a little strange to me because my dad heart 3 or 4 bypasses when he was about 55 and he lived in good heart health after that until he was 81, when he passed away from Parkinson's, and he smoked a lot until he was 55 and he never made any attempt at a healthy diet or exercise, so open heart surgery at 58 can give you a new lease at life for many years.

 

[outrider567]

That's a little strange to me because my dad heart 3 or 4 bypasses when he was about 55 and he lived in good heart health after that until he was 81, when he passed away from Parkinson's, and he smoked a lot until he was 55 and he never made any attempt at a healthy diet or exercise, so open heart surgery at 58 can give you a new lease at life for many years.

That's not the point--Robin Williams HIMSELF said he was quite depressed because of his open heart surgery-----Otherwise, glad to hear your dad quit smoking at 55 after his heart trouble, and he made it to 81--My brother, by contrast, didn't quit smoking after his heart trouble at 61 and now at 66 he's dying from lung cancer

 

[GasMonkey]

She was an animal behavior vet who was at the top of her field. Nothing appeared to be wrong with her other than normal stresses of an active professional. She had a lot of talks and lectures scheduled. She had her own active clinic. Everybody loved and admired her and she was making a difference in the field of how to train pets. And one day when she wasn't answering texts, an intern was sent to her house and found her hanging, dead.

Why would a vet with infinite access to N use hanging instead? disturbing.

 

[Doombox]

Why would a vet with infinite access to N use hanging instead? disturbing.

Since her specialty was animal behavior and training, perhaps she did not have access to the locked-up meds. She would have had no reason to need N. I would imagine, too, that N can't just mysteriously disappear from locked cabinets. Perhaps her clinic was quite strict, if they had it at all.

 

[eternal_life]

Why would a vet with infinite access to N use hanging instead? disturbing.

It may be an isolated case. I have read that in the veterinary sector there is a high percentage of suicides compared to other professionals. The news did not say anything about Nembutal, but surely the easy access to N is one of the reasons.

 

[GasMonkey]

Dr John Crisler (renowned TRT physician) used hanging too.

 

[Doombox]

Dr John Crisler (renowned TRT physician) used hanging too.

Wow, another one who appeared to be on top of the world.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Taylor Hawkins didn't kill himself he died of a drug overdose

Taylor Hawkins didn't kill himself he died of a drug OD

Losing privacy is a bummer… But having great wealth can reduce money stress and buy a lot of things that create happiness… Really good mental health care… Ability to see friends… To eat properly and exercise… To indulge in interests…

Oops!!! I guess being on S.S. too long, I thought maybe it was intentional.