Discussion High profile suicides I contemplate

[Doombox]

The one I come back to in my mind now and then is Dr. Sophia Yin in 2014. She was an animal behavior vet who was at the top of her field. Nothing appeared to be wrong with her other than normal stresses of an active professional. She had a lot of talks and lectures scheduled. She had her own active clinic. Everybody loved and admired her and she was making a difference in the field of how to train pets. And one day when she wasn't answering texts, an intern was sent to her house and found her hanging, dead.

If someone like her can hit a point of not being able to take it anymore, why is a putz like me supposed to keep suffering?

Are there any higher profile cases that you think about?

 

[Someone123]

Robin Williams and Kate Spade- Kate Spade was having trouble within her marriage and in her case she had so much to love for, with the right counseling she could have gotten back on track, her case was especially sad. For Robin Williams he had some brain deterioration that people did not know about, but he still could have had years of happiness with the right help. Both used partial, which is a method that fails most of the time, so I do wonder- how did they get this to work?

 

[The Abyss]

Robin Williams and Kate Spade- Kate Spade was having trouble within her marriage and in her case she had so much to love for, with the right counseling she could have gotten back on track, her case was especially sad. For Robin Williams he had some brain deterioration that people did not know about, but he still could have had years of happiness with the right help. Both used partial, which is a method that fails most of the time, so I do wonder- how did they get this to work?

Key being MOST of the time. RW also had to pay alimony to a bunch of ex-wives & the law wouldn't give a damn if he couldn't make the payments any more due to lack of income.

 

[Someone123]

Key being MOST of the time. RW also had to pay alimony to a bunch of ex-wives & the law wouldn't give a damn if he couldn't make the payments any more due to lack of income.

I wonder how they got partial to work- they had huge homes where they could be separated- maybe they had multiple attempts and kept working inh the method until they got it to work, or maybe they did a lot of reseacrh to get it just right. The alimony caused stress for Robin, but he was still in a good place financially- a $50 million net worth plus many millions set up in trust funds for his children, possibly up to $20 million each. The alimnoy stress may have played a role, but his mental condition was the key thing.

 

[CassieHoward]

i miss anthony bourdain each and every day

 

[Someone123]

i miss anthony bourdain each and every day

That was another case where he had a lot to live for and a long time left to live- he had the respect and caring of so many people. He did have a bumpy relationship with a girlfriend who got in trouble for being with a guy under 18 and I think this may have stressed him out, though he had nothing to do with it. His situations was solvable- when you have solid finances and good health and people who care about you, a lot of them, your siuation is usually solvable.

 

[ImmaMacGuffin]

Chris Cornell. I've been on a forum for the last 5 years where we've been discussing every little bit of pertinent information regarding his life and death. Sadly, I think it's the one thing which has kept me occupied and alive...

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Chester Bennington, Robin Williams, Kurt Cobain, Taylor Hawkins as mentioned Chris Cornell.

 

[Lullaby]

On the topic of Sophia, Veterinarians have really high suicide rates. They're doing something really great, but deal with a lot of emotional baggage. From working with abused animals, to regularly putting others down, it's a lot.

I really wanted to become a vet, but knew I couldn't emotionally handle it. Even training as a groomer, a lot of the dogs I've worked on so far come in horrible conditions. It makes me really sad.

When you decide to work with humans or animals, you end up seeing the worst side of life. This place sucks.

 

[tilsleepcomes]

Robin Williams stands out for me. He seemed happy, as I myself often present, but was dealing with enough depression to end it. It actually makes me not feel so dumb that these respected, seemingly well off, individuals CTB.

 

[miserableforever]

Robin Williams and Kate Spade- Kate Spade was having trouble within her marriage and in her case she had so much to love for, with the right counseling she could have gotten back on track, her case was especially sad. For Robin Williams he had some brain deterioration that people did not know about, but he still could have had years of happiness with the right help. Both used partial, which is a method that fails most of the time, so I do wonder- how did they get this to work?

Who knows how many times they tried before it did work. Just a thought.

 

[stoiccactus]

I think of David Foster Wallace often. Hanging, I believe. Here is this guy who wrote masterpieces about depression and still couldn't beat it.

 

[Doombox]

Cheslie Kryst is another one. That woman had everything going for her, like I can't even imagine. Brains, beauty, money, a career, and she jumped off a 60 story building supposedly because she was turning 30 and thought her life would be over from being so old.

Who knows how many times they tried before it did work. Just a thought.

Kate Spade and Robin Williams are the ones who made me think partial must be easy. I mean, a scarf tied to a doorknob? I was excited, thinking can it be that easy? Came here and found out no, not really. I think Robin may have had some kind of help, because he was in a really bad way with the lewy body dementia, but Kate?

 

[Euthanza]

Alan Turing; I think the gay-hate and suicide-hate have the same basic fundamental.

https://historyofyesterday.com/the-founder-of-ai-killed-himself-because-of-gay-hate-2870bb5c8906

 

[Someone123]

Who knows how many times they tried before it did work. Just a thought.

That's true, but the other part of it is that failed attempts by partial usually leave a red mark around the neck that takes a few days to fade- could they hid out from family and frineds that long? Maybe, but if you live in the same house with someone it is tougher, even in a mansion, though a mansion makes it easier. SO that could be one part of it- plus a lot of research on how to try to get this to work I think.

 

[Why Me?]

Sam Sarpong. The police tried to talk him down from a bridge for 7 hours before he jumped. Nobody knows why he did it.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Chester Bennington, Robin Williams, Kurt Cobain, Taylor Hawkins as mentioned Chris Cornell.

Taylor Hawkins didn't kill himself he died of a drug overdose

 

[nightnightnitrite]

Kate Spade using her own brands scarf to hang herself is pretty symbolic and she was rich and would never have to worry about any financial issues. I use to say money will fix everything but depression is a mental state of mind and physical conditions won't fix everything. Most high profile(rich, loved by all, high-esteemed) people who ctb is proof of that. I was also thinking, even if I did have lots of money which is an issue I am on the complete opposite spectrum right now($0.17 to my name), wouldn't even help me. I can picture myself in a big house able to do anything I want and I can't even think about what that would be. It's kind of embarrassing...

 

[blue_muse]

Being famous is a massive disadvantage; having to maintain a public image at all costs, for the sake of those around them.

 

[woknows]

Being famous is a massive disadvantage; having to maintain a public image at all costs, for the sake of those around them.

Sure, it is much better to be homeless and with no prospects whatsoever.

 

[blue_muse]

Sure, it is much better to be homeless and with no prospects whatsoever.

I didn't insinuate that, so I'm not quite sure about the sarcastic reply. Many of us on SS have a certain level of privacy, which is a stark contrast to a famous person's every move watched.

 

[woknows]

I didn't insinuate that, so I'm not quite sure about the sarcastic reply. Many of us on SS have a certain level of privacy, which is a stark contrast to a famous person's every move watched.

Most famous people are handsomely compensated. And most of them did not become famous by accident. It was a conscious choice and required a lot of effort.

 

[blue_muse]

Most famous people are handsomely compensated. And most of them did not become famous by accident. It was a conscious choice and required a lot of effort.

My original comment was an observational one, which I stand by. Earning vast amounts of money; doesn't necessarily counterbalance the freedoms non-famous people take for granted.

 

[Doombox]

My original comment was an observational one, which I stand by. Earning vast amounts of money; doesn't necessarily counterbalance the freedoms non-famous people take for granted.

I understand what you're saying. It's not a zero sum game. Just because rich people have their own set of stressors does not negate the stressors of the poor. I'm sure not many of us can relate to someone like Kate Spade. I know I can't fathom it, how it's possible to be so wealthy and yet feel like one has no options. But obviously since some of them do feel driven to suicide it means they were unable to buy happiness.

 

[woknows]

My original comment was an observational one, which I stand by. Earning vast amounts of money; doesn't necessarily counterbalance the freedoms non-famous people take for granted.

And I disagree that it is a massive disadvantage. You reap so many benefits that it certainly does help offset the few disadvantages, not to mention that quality help is actually accessible. Of course, it does not magically cure mental issues a person might have.

 

[Someone123]

Being famous is a massive disadvantage; having to maintain a public image at all costs, for the sake of those around them.

This had nothing to do with the suicides of Robin WIlliams or Kate Spade- Kate Spade's marriage was so close for so long, as they built their business together, that when the marriage hit a rocky patch she just wasn't prepared for how to handle this. Robin Williams had a medical condition affecting his brain that was undiagnosed.

 

[Doombox]

Sam Sarpong. The police tried to talk him down from a bridge for 7 hours before he jumped. Nobody knows why he did it.

Wow, 7 hours. I can see why that one stuck with you.

Chris Cornell. I've been on a forum for the last 5 years where we've been discussing every little bit of pertinent information regarding his life and death. Sadly, I think it's the one thing which has kept me occupied and alive...

I looked that up, and that's a strange story. Did you all come to any conclusions on the forum?

Alan Turing; I think the gay-hate and suicide-hate have the same basic fundamental.

https://historyofyesterday.com/the-founder-of-ai-killed-himself-because-of-gay-hate-2870bb5c8906

Astonishing that homosexuality was considered a "threat to national security" and that such a great mind was lost because of that.

 

[blue_muse]

And I disagree that it is a massive disadvantage. You reap so many benefits that it certainly does help offset the few disadvantages, not to mention that quality help is actually accessible. Of course, it does not magically cure mental issues a person might have.

Paparazzi on the trail, waiting for retail outlets to close in order to go shopping, career decisions under public scrutiny, being subject to constant criticism etc.

The examples mentioned above are more than a few disadvantages, that wealth cannot compensate entirely for giving up certain freedoms. By the way, it doesn't mean I'm perpetuating a stereotype that poverty = happiness as you claim.

I suggest you look at the Classic Hollywood era. Underneath all the glitz and glamour was stress and pressure, to live up to images created by greedy studio bosses. Some navigated through the maze successfully, but others became literal casualties.

 

[Doombox]

Robin Williams stands out for me. He seemed happy, as I myself often present, but was dealing with enough depression to end it. It actually makes me not feel so dumb that these respected, seemingly well off, individuals CTB.

Robin WIlliams had lewy body dementia and had been deteriorating. But there are plenty of other examples of depression being the reason.

 

[Someone123]

I looked that up, and that's a strange story. Did you all come to any conclusions on the forum?

I heard that drugs were a big factor in this, they can obviously really mess up a person's emotions.