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[Yuri Yurovich]

Hi,
I'm new to SS and also inexperienced with chat forums, so bear with me while I make all the mistakes you've all seen before...

As I'm sure is well-known, talking about suicide is not good social etiquette in most places. I guess it is scary for those who haven't thought of it every day of their lives. Anyway, I want to be able to talk about these things without upsetting friends or family members, or getting judgement rained down on my head.

I'm on the verge of 60 and I am finally just curious about the whole thing, suicide that is. It is a suppressed topic in our society, I think, or at least, no one really wants to talk about it outside psychiatry and therapy. I don't know if talking about it makes things worse or better myself, I just think some of us need to talk about it.

E.g. I recently saw a image (of words) that nails perfectly what happens to me, and the poster comments on this, so I know at least 3 people think like this:

Obviously, this is irrational as fuck, so why do I think this with every minor disaster I suffer? This is the sort of thing I need/want to talk about.

One thing that motivates me here is the hypocrisy of our society: everyone will rush in to stop a suicide and save a life (I probably would too), but then we are also indifferent to the states of life that lead people to attempt suicide. It's sink or swim, until you hit bottom and rush the exits, and then your life suddenly matters.

Aggh, that's surely enough blah-de-blah out of me for one post.

Yuri

"The meaning of life is literally whatever stops you from killing yourself." Albert Camus (paraphrase)

 

[FuneralCry]

I do wish that we lived in a world where suicide is not so stigmatised and we could talk openly about wanting to leave this world, as after all we will all die eventually someday and to me there is nothing really wrong with someone deciding to exit at a time of their own choosing. We all have our right to leave this world anyway and life is very pointless and all that humans are doing is just distracting themselves until they die. I wish you the best.

 

[Yuri Yurovich]

Thanks FuneralCry,

I do wish that we lived in a world where suicide is not so stigmatised and we could talk openly about wanting to leave this world, as after all we will all die eventually someday and to me there is nothing really wrong with someone deciding to exit at a time of their own choosing. We all have our right to leave this world anyway and life is very pointless and all that humans are doing is just distracting themselves until they die. I wish you the best.

I wish the best for you as well.

Cheers,
Yuri
Thanks also to Un-, Shivali, and wilted-biography,
I'm not familiar with how these things work so it will probably take me a while, unless my tired old brain gives up half-way.
Yuri

 

[houseofleaves]

Hello, Yuri! Is there any chance that you could be russian? Sorry, just wondering

 

[Yuri Yurovich]

Hello, Yuri! Is there any chance that you could be russian? Sorry, just wondering

Hello houseofleaves,

No, I am not---all I remember of Russian class (a long time ago) was my name and patronymic, and I couldn't think of anything clever off-hand, so I went with that.

Incidentally, while I was lurking I spotted your name, though I couldn't send a note, of course. I assume that is a reference to House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski? Amazing novel! You've read it? Have you read anything else by him?

Yuri

 

[houseofleaves]

Hello houseofleaves,

No, I am not---all I remember of Russian class (a long time ago) was my name and patronymic, and I couldn't think of anything clever off-hand, so I went with that.

Incidentally, while I was lurking I spotted your name, though I couldn't send a note, of course. I assume that is a reference to House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski? Amazing novel! You've read it? Have you read anything else by him?

Yuri

Yes, this is a reference! I've read it and liked it very, very much. I own it in russian and english versions, in paper. But i haven't read anything else by MZD — should i?

 

[Yuri Yurovich]

Yes, this is a reference! I've read it and liked it very, very much. I own it in russian and english versions, in paper. But i haven't read anything else by MZD — should i?

I wish I could say! I intend to myself, whenever the local library can bring something in. I'd take a look at the Wikipedia page for MZD for inspiration. I use descriptions of novels to guide my reading and find out what I would like to read.

YY

 

[Viafactorum]

French philosopher Georges Bataille thought that the purpose of life was to waste the energy of the sun... I think I share his same outlook life. Welcome to the forums Mr.Yuri

 

[odradek]

One thing that motivates me here is the hypocrisy of our society: everyone will rush in to stop a suicide and save a life (I probably would too), but then we are also indifferent to the states of life that lead people to attempt suicide. It's sink or swim, until you hit bottom and rush the exits, and then your life suddenly matters.

I agree with this sentiment a lot. The underlying circumstances that drive people to suicide are the real issue. However, looking at this holistically reveals how daunting a task real suicide prevention would be. It's more then hotlines, hashtags, and emergency intervention. It needs to be structural and systematic change. Or something. I don't even know anymore.

I'm pretty pessimistic, so I may be biased.

"The meaning of life is literally whatever stops you from killing yourself." Albert Camus (paraphrase)

This.

 

[Cryptonite]

Welcome here and I hope that you will get an answer for everything you may need to know

I came to SS like, I don't know, one or two months ago, and I can say it's been by far the most helpful source on the Internet

 

[Hope:-)]

Hi,
I was thinking something similar and think about it quite often- that is, that they will want to save my life but are horrified and judgemental at worst and indifferent at best about the now conspicuous outward signs of my troubles. No matter what I try it is now obvious that I struggle. :-/

 

[Nirrend]

Hello Yuri Yurovich, welcome here, we will do our best to make you feel comfortable here!

What you describe and what many say here is sincerely depressing, because many here are tired of seeing the symptomatic denial of the pro-lifer humans for whom everything is fine.

I say this because to keep it simple, let's imagine a bowl full of balls that we hold in our hands. All these balls are white and only one of them is red, but we don't see it (the red) because it is hidden by this mass of white balls. The red one represents suicide, it is the absolute solution that all people have except that some people are more aware of it than others. Then all the white ones represent projects, goals in life, passions.

In the course of our lives, some of the white balls may be removed, because they may have been accomplished, because we may have questioned our plans...

Sometimes we may also trip and knock some of the white balls out of the bowl onto the floor. When we stumble it is for example because of a depression, a bereavement, a break-up, a dismissal, a low self-esteem ...

Gradually you lose white balls and the red ball becomes more and more visible. This is when the first suicidal ideas are born, but they are easily manageable because there are enough white balls left to not let yourself be defeated.

Then, as the years go by, goals are achieved without any new projects being created, and falls cause balls to be lost, only three balls remain (two white and one red), then two (one white and one red).

I think that on this forum (including me), for many, there are only a few balls left and unfortunately, those who are no longer had only one choice, the red ball.

So I think this subject is taboo for that, because everyone knows it's there but everyone is in denial, just add to that the fact that it's seen as something weird and coward and there you have the best cocktail, just need to sip it at the beach.

I wish you peace Yuri Yurovich <3