Hi guys and girls in new hear. Glad to be part of the community. I'm a 30 year old male,with mental health issues and many other problems. I've just attemped suicide by filling my car up with Argon gas, it clearly failed. I have planned to try again, I am thinking about hanging myself in the next week. Just worried about failing and becoming brain dead. I would love to discuss this with people. Feel free to share any stories you may have. I like ymyo have a chat.. Thanks..
SilentSadness
The rain pours eternally.
- Feb 28, 2023
- 1,128
Sadly I have no reliable and accessible way to ctb, so I couldn't give you a suggestion from experience. However, if you were able to try a method like that then maybe you could look into SN. Hanging to me sounds so brutal and painful, I actually tried it before and I couldn't make it work in the first place. It's very upsetting that we have no access to peaceful methods and are instead forced into this kind of brutality by people who are delusional and want us to suffer. I hope you make the right decision.
Thanks for the reply. You are so right, it upsets me that we have limited access to peaceful methods. Hanging seems a awfully painful way to go, but unfortunately I have not many other options. Seriously considering Argon gas again, but this time with a plastic bag.. Thankyou...
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Valky
Petulant Child
- Apr 4, 2023
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Most lethal methods of suicide | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource
Information on most lethal methods of suicide, and how they have been ranked in terms of pain. Plus info on things to consider before trying popular methods.
Maybe this can help? Wishing you all the best <3
that smell
Member
- Apr 1, 2023
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Much appreciated. ThanksMost lethal methods of suicide | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource
Information on most lethal methods of suicide, and how they have been ranked in terms of pain. Plus info on things to consider before trying popular methods.lostallhope.com
Much appreciated. Thankyou.
Maybe this can help? Wishing you all the best <3
Most lethal methods of suicide | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource
Information on most lethal methods of suicide, and how they have been ranked in terms of pain. Plus info on things to consider before trying popular methods.
Maybe this can help? Wishing you all the best
Most lethal methods of suicide | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource
Information on most lethal methods of suicide, and how they have been ranked in terms of pain. Plus info on things to consider before trying popular methods.
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FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 38,963
To me it certainly is so horrific how the hanging method can potentially go wrong, that is exactly what I fear and I see it as being very cruel how humans are denied the option to just pass away in peace without risks and complications. It's just very unfortunate how suicide isn't straightforward in this world but sadly it's just the reality of existing here but anyway I hope that you find the freedom you are searching for.
I have been thinking about using a scba, also a large oven bag tied tightly. I have seen some others members talking about SN, could some explain to what that is please?
CTB Fella
Experienced
- Dec 15, 2022
- 257
I believe it's Sodium Nitrate, the gold standard of poisoning.
Almost impossible to get ahold of, though.
Thanks for commenting. I never thought that suicide would be so complicated. A couple years back I tried hanging myself from the doorknob in my bedroom. I got to the point of just about losing consciousness, but unfortunately the door knob broke off. It was very painful afterwards. I'm constantly looking for an easy way, but it's not so simple.
Thanks. I wouldn't be able to access that unfortunately. I wish I could though.
that smell
Member
- Apr 1, 2023
- 55
It's actually referring to sodium nitrite (NaNO2) which can be synthesized from sodium nitrate (NaNO3) but they're different compounds.
If I had access to Argon I'd go with that personally.
It's actually referring to sodium nitrite (NaNO2) which can be synthesized from sodium nitrate (NaNO3) but they're different compounds.
If I had access to Argon I'd go with that personally.
I think it might be the easiest and least painful way for me. I'm going to get some tomorrow, I planning it for Friday. Going to find a quite car park and hopefully end the pain. You have been really helpful, glad I found this forum.
If I had access to Argon I'd go with that personally.
I think it might be the easiest and least painful way for me. I'm going to get some tomorrow, I planning it for Friday. Going to find a quite car park and hopefully end the pain. You have been really helpful, glad I found this forum.
Valky
Petulant Child
- Apr 4, 2023
- 1,322
Hehe today I am doing nothing but sending links. So here:
Thread 'The Sanctioned Suicide Forum Guide'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-sanctioned-suicide-forum-guide.9931/
It has some commonly used abbreviations and acronyms of SaSu :)
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
You failed because the amount of gas needed to fill a space such as in a car is too high to succeed with only a cylinder.
On top of that, Argon is heavy, heavier than air. As it naturally goes down it is even harder for it to fill space unless you have a very large amount and durable constant flow.
No matter what configuration you would have, if enough gas could occupy space and replace oxygen as intended, a very slightly opened window would have been necessary to purge exhaled breath.
The space inside a car seems small, but it's actually a lot of space to occupy for inert gas in order to replace oxygen.
In order to succeed in a car, you would have needed liquid nitrogen in a dewar that you would have put on the ground, with one window slightly opened by approx 1cm (otherwise the expansion of gas would blow them), and the physics would have done the rest, but it's not that easy to setup, and it requires to do some maths.
Anyway, it's best to replace Argon with Nitrogen, and get a regulator + EB or SCBA or EEBD hood.
Question: did you feel anything or nothing at all and how many liters was your cylinder ?
On top of that, Argon is heavy, heavier than air. As it naturally goes down it is even harder for it to fill space unless you have a very large amount and durable constant flow.
No matter what configuration you would have, if enough gas could occupy space and replace oxygen as intended, a very slightly opened window would have been necessary to purge exhaled breath.
The space inside a car seems small, but it's actually a lot of space to occupy for inert gas in order to replace oxygen.
In order to succeed in a car, you would have needed liquid nitrogen in a dewar that you would have put on the ground, with one window slightly opened by approx 1cm (otherwise the expansion of gas would blow them), and the physics would have done the rest, but it's not that easy to setup, and it requires to do some maths.
Anyway, it's best to replace Argon with Nitrogen, and get a regulator + EB or SCBA or EEBD hood.
Question: did you feel anything or nothing at all and how many liters was your cylinder ?
Hi there. When I attempted it, I knew about Argon being a lot heavier than air, so I tilted my seat till I was laying back. In total I used 180 litres of Argon (x3 60litres cylinders) I obviously closed all the windows and shut the vents, I felt light headed and did feel as if it was working. But a car isn't airtight and that's all the gas I had. I'm really considering doing it again, but with a bag.. Thanks..
Argon is very easy and accessible for me to get my hands on. That's why I chose it instead of Nitrogen. SCBA or a large oven bag seems ideal.
Argon is very easy and accessible for me to get my hands on. That's why I chose it instead of Nitrogen. SCBA or a large oven bag seems ideal.
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There are many ways to ctb. Hanging is one that "could" be risky if your neck doesn't break.
If you have really come to a sound minded decision and that decision is to ctb I do have some thoughts.
I would first recommend SN. There are many many other threads that explain it so I'll keep it brief. SN is a oxidizing agent so I bonds to the iron your blood forming methemoglobin. This formation causes hypotension due to the supply of oxygen being limited. It eventually results in hypoxia due to the lack of oxygen that can be transported in your blood. This also results in vomiting due to the mechanism of action when the brain stops receiving oxygen at normal atmospheric pressure, normal CO2 levels, etc. That being said both an antiemetic (serotonin blocker) and and anesthetic are recommended.
The poor man's ctb (as I've coined it) is chloramine. DISCLAIMER: There is a substantial risk in this method because of it's chemical nature. The gas produced is less soluble than ammonia (being less soluble is more dangerous as the gas reaches lungs deeper) and is not readily absorbed by the mucous membranes of the upper airways. As a result, it reaches the alveoli, where it hydrolyzes to ammonia and hypochlorous acid. Chloramines exert a direct toxic effect that is described as a toxic pneumonitis. It causes permanent brain damage if done incorrectly. If done correctly in a closed confined space with little to no ventilation it will certainly kill you. In ~1-2 it would cause you to lose consciousness. In 10-15 minutes you be dead. "...Mixing bleach and ammonia can be deadly. When combined, these two common household cleaners release toxic chloramine gas. Exposure to chloramine gas can cause irritation to your eyes, nose, throat, and lungs. In high concentrations, it can lead to coma and death." -https:// healthline.com.
In most cases of ctb there is the risk of failure.
I just hope whatever you decide to do is a sound minded decision.
I hope only the best for you.
Stay safe
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Argon is fine and easy to use, just need regulator/flowmeter, plus an EEBD hood is ideal with attached tubing
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
Thanx for answering. What you said is very interesting because you did feel lightheaded and that it was working. 180L is a large amount (but i thought a lot more would be necessary) and if it was enough to make you feel anything it gives a clue about the minimum quantity necessary to work as intended. That's a start cause i believe many people would really like to CTB by just opening the valves of their gas cylinders in their car with minimum gear.
As a matter of fact when it comes to CTB, simplicity is our friend.
Could you tell how much time it took to feel lightheaded and how much time it took for the bottles to empty ?
Was the pressure at 200 bar ? On how many LPM did you set everything ?
You said you closed all the windows, why ? Did you plan anything to help getting rid of CO2 beforehand ?
I honestly can't tell if a car is 100% airtight, but i wonder why it wouldn't once the vents are shut.
Sorry for all the questions but i'd find it interesting to figure out how to successfully CTB in a car. It would be a game changer for a lot of people currently afraid of the "technicity" of the method and would require very little knowledge (other than basic safety measures of course).
Hello. Thankyou for the information. I have read a lot about this its hard finding the right method. I have done a lot of research involving different ways to cbt and i think I have decided to go with Argon gas or hanging. Whatever my decision maybe, it will be carried out with a sound mind. The thing I worry about most is failure.
No worries it fine. It took about 6 minutes for one cylinder to empty, 18 minutes in total for all 3. I only had one pressure flow regulator and had to keep switching from cylinder to cylinder. I started to feel lightheaded at around the 2nd cylinder stage, everything slowed down and my breathing became quite shallow. I'm pretty sure if I had more gas it would have worked. No pain at all. I had the pressure flow regulator halfway turned at first, then once I felt my confidence build I opened it up fully.
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locked*n*loaded
Archangel
- Apr 15, 2022
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You're idea with the Argon could work............you just need a much smaller space (volume) to CTB in. Or, just use a mask.
Hi. I'm fairly sure it would have worked if I had more gas. But cant be certain.My plan is to do it out of the house, so I would need an ideal enclosed space to find. A lot easier said then done. I just don't want to fail to CTB again.
ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
There must be something wrong here, because if your cylinders were 60L and pressurized at 200 bar for example, you would have
12 000L uncompressed then it means you would have had a flow of... 2000L per minute.
If you only had one regulator that you had to switch everytime a bottle emptied then the plan was not safe, because you could have at one point not be conscious enough to operate the switch, AND not have enough gas left to replace all oxygen (or for enough time), which means you could have had survived with brain damage. But since all the windows were shut, hypercapnic response would have been triggered: there was, with such parameters, impossibility for CO2 to be purged, then your body would have noticed something was wrong and you'd have started to suffocate and panic.
Unfortunately I had no access to another pressure flow regulator, I couldn't get one that day and had to wait until more were in stock. I should have waited, it wasn't the best thought out plan, but I was (am)seriously unwell and desperate for my pain to end. I sat there and emptied one cylinder and felt fine, took the pressure regulator off and screwed it onto another cylinder, by the time the 2nd bottle was empty i felt lightheaded, but still perfectly fine to screw the regulator onto the 3rd cylinder. The 3rd cylinder then emptied and i had no more gas. I can assure you that is exactly what I did, and if I had more pressure regulators I would have turned them all on at once. I'm not trying to fool anyone. All I felt was lightheaded and anxious from carrying it out. I have just purchased an eebd hood, so next time it will be much better planned.
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ThisIsLife
Specialist
- Feb 3, 2023
- 371
What's important is that you're safe. Remember the quote "if you fail at planning, you're planning to fail", it will save you time and money ;)
I have a EEBD hood myself, it's not the best looking gear but if it does the job that's what matters :)
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Unknown21
The past never dies.
- Apr 25, 2023
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