Why don't people talk about this anymore?
worldexploder
Visionary
- Sep 19, 2018
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Probably because it's been talked about so much. But it's a great method if you can obtain a helium cylinder. I heard Nitrogen is better. Most helium now has an air/gas mix due to a global helium shortage. But I see people talk about it on here often. The most recent discussion I can remember is how a guy rigged up this brilliant mask for nitrogen.
Helium got a bad reputation when a couple balloon companies started mixing in air, so it wasn't effective for ctb. A lot of us here are planning the same method, but with nitrogen.
Either gas, when bought from a welding supply store, is effective.
Either gas, when bought from a welding supply store, is effective.
Oh okay. Is nitrogen accessible? Is it expensive?
Nitrogen is very accessible --at least it is here in the US, and it sounds like it's fairly accessible elsewhere. Any welding supply store will carry tanks, and beer-brewing supply stores carry it too (I've heard --but check whether it's100% N2, or an N2-air mix).
"Expensive" is all relative. A lot more expensive than a length of rope; a lot less expensive than N; about the same as a cheap gun. I put together my rig for about $200, including cylinder and regulator.
The difficulty a lot of folks seem to have with it is the technical aspect of putting all the pieces together. There's also the challenge of trying to keep a nitrogen tank hidden from family and friends.
"Expensive" is all relative. A lot more expensive than a length of rope; a lot less expensive than N; about the same as a cheap gun. I put together my rig for about $200, including cylinder and regulator.
The difficulty a lot of folks seem to have with it is the technical aspect of putting all the pieces together. There's also the challenge of trying to keep a nitrogen tank hidden from family and friends.
Because using helium in 2018 the chances are you finish with brain damage.
Jen Erik
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- Oct 12, 2018
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Some places now mix air into the tank so its not pure helium so wont kill you
Jen Erik
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- Oct 12, 2018
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My understanding is that nothing at all happens when people attempt to use the 80/20 helium/air mixture, not that they get brain damage. Am I misunderstanding?
You understand correctly, Jen Erik. No brain damage; it's just that the added air in "balloon gas" makes the He ineffective for asphyxiation.
If you want to use He for some specific reason --i.e. if you want to make sure there is no gas remaining in your lungs to be found during an autopsy (this is part of why He was used initially), or if you want to speak your final words in the voice of a cartoon character-- then you can get pure He at a welding supply store.
If you want to use He for some specific reason --i.e. if you want to make sure there is no gas remaining in your lungs to be found during an autopsy (this is part of why He was used initially), or if you want to speak your final words in the voice of a cartoon character-- then you can get pure He at a welding supply store.
Jen Erik
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- Oct 12, 2018
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Thanks, TiredHorse. Always appreciate your sharing of knowledge.
Be aware that any gas can potentially cause brain damage: you're starving the brain of oxygen, after all. He isn't any less dangerous, it's just no more dangerous either.
If you remove the exit bag/mask before you black out, you're fine. If you only black out for a minute before someone finds you and interferes with the attempt, you're probably fine. But if you've been blacked out for 20 minutes, your brain starved of O2 that entire time, it doesn't matter whether you used N2, He, Ar, CO, whatever, O2 starvation is O2 starvation, and there will be damage.
Inert gas asphyxiation kills you by destroying your brain's ability to function. Unfotunately, the cognitive functions are the first to go, the critical functions are the last, so just because someone interrupts in time to save your brainstem and keep you alive enough to drool on yourself doesn't mean you'll ever again play piano.
If you remove the exit bag/mask before you black out, you're fine. If you only black out for a minute before someone finds you and interferes with the attempt, you're probably fine. But if you've been blacked out for 20 minutes, your brain starved of O2 that entire time, it doesn't matter whether you used N2, He, Ar, CO, whatever, O2 starvation is O2 starvation, and there will be damage.
Inert gas asphyxiation kills you by destroying your brain's ability to function. Unfotunately, the cognitive functions are the first to go, the critical functions are the last, so just because someone interrupts in time to save your brainstem and keep you alive enough to drool on yourself doesn't mean you'll ever again play piano.
Breathing low oxygen air CAN result with hypoxic brain injury.
There is a lot of scientific data available online explaining this condition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16443427
Evidence of brain damage after high-altitude climbing by means of magnetic resonance imaging.
CONCLUSIONS:
We conclude that there is enough evidence of brain damage after high altitude climbing; the amateur climbers seem to be at higher risk of suffering brain damage than professional climbers.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/brain-cells-into-thin-air/
https://www.outsideonline.com/1884846/are-mountains-killing-your-brain
"Atrophy of the frontal lobes," Fayed says, pointing to a black-and-white slice of brain on one MRI. The frontal cortexthe region just behind the forehead that handles higher-level mental functionslooks like a piece of dried fruit. This kind of damage can leave patients with an impaired ability to plan, focus, and make complex decisions. And it's permanent.
"Cortical atrophy, subcortical lesion..." Fayed continues, pointing to the scans of eight amateur climbers whose MRIs were taken in 1998, just after a trip up Argentina's 22,834-foot Aconcagua. "This guy suffered the most serious damage," he says. He hands me a picture of a robust young climber standing on the mountain's snowy slopes, looking fit and determined. "When he came back, he couldn't remember his own phone number. His wife would send him to the store for a loaf of bread and he would forget why he was there and come home without it."
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Singing In The Rain
Student
- Oct 29, 2018
- 100
Apparently Argon is also another inert gas which you can use for the exit bag. It's used for welding and is 100% pure , as far as i know.
Okay, that's all entirely fair and accurate. Hypoxia is damaging, and a long exposure to a low-air/high-He atmosphere would cause damage. What I meant to assert is that He is not intrinsically more damaging than N2 or Ar.
100% he is still sold in normal markets in toy/balloons sections at least in northern Europe, Uk and Germany.
The balloons sold with it (and in most stores) are too small and thin. That's why they don't stay up for long. That's for what I use them.
The balloons sold with it (and in most stores) are too small and thin. That's why they don't stay up for long. That's for what I use them.
Dani Paradox
Permanently Banned
- Aug 17, 2018
- 981
I tried this method when I was much younger. I must have been about 14. I bought a helium cylinder from a party store and attached a hose to the end of it. It was not at all peaceful, though. I felt like I was suffocating and I couldn't go through with it... Not a good method, imo.
That was listed as number one choise for euthanasia if people didn't have access to nembutal. Euthanasia site said that people watched over 300 euthanasias by it and they were all peacefull. Did you have 100% helium since party supply mostly don't have that. The other euthnasia site said they used hood since masks aren't airtight so then it doesn't knock you out and work but may cause suffering.
I feel sad you tried it as a kid. That must have been relief to your loved ones it didn't work. I really hope you got help to your situation then.
How is that different from CO they have recommended for euthanasia also?
When animals are euthanised in some countries with it that has been very fast and they found no stress hormones in their blood. They got knocked out and died almost immediately.
I have food allergy and my throat got once guite slowly (about in 20minutes)so swallen in accident that my heart stopped and I had nde and was revived in hospital. I felt only euphoria then which I found very strange.
How is that different from CO they have recommended for euthanasia also?
When animals are euthanised in some countries with it that has been very fast and they found no stress hormones in their blood. They got knocked out and died almost immediately.
I have food allergy and my throat got once guite slowly (about in 20minutes)so swallen in accident that my heart stopped and I had nde and was revived in hospital. I felt only euphoria then which I found very strange.
Oh that's interesting! Just the feeling of euphoria, nothing else?
I have had accidents (broken and dislocated bones) and did combat sports long and don't feel almost any pain in accidents immediately for about 1 hour from the adreanalin rush either. So that may affect to it too in accidents. But in other cases I didn't feel good either and had some kind of panic to go get help.
But when I had the reaction I didn't understand it's seriousness at all because I didn't panic but was calm and felt just euphoric and soon sleepy. I got air so I believe that's why there wasn't panic. Just not enough. I remember seeing myself in mirror looking like smurf and others panicking and thought it was so weird because I didn't feel like I had anything that serious and felt nice.
ost: 133283, member: 3025"]I feel sad you tried it as a kid. That must have been relief to your loved ones it didn't work. I really hope you got help to your situation then.
How is that different from CO they have recommended for euthanasia also?
When animals are euthanised in some countries with it that has been very fast and they found no stress hormones in their blood. They got knocked out and died almost immediately.
I have food allergy and my throat got once guite slowly (about in 20minutes)so swallen in accident that my heart stopped and I had nde and was revived in hospital. I felt only euphoria then which I found very strange.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean anyone should do it. I want to live and wish we all could live and have decent life. Not with extreme pain 24/7 though and I have watched relatives in hospital having to do that. Just in my case it wont last long. When you know your condition is going to kill you you may really start to want to live much more than before. I just think euthanasia should be legal and in one site it was number one in recommended list for people who suffered too much to live. But I'm happy to get any info about the subject.
But when I had the reaction I didn't understand it's seriousness at all because I didn't panic but was calm and felt just euphoric and soon sleepy. I got air so I believe that's why there wasn't panic. Just not enough. I remember seeing myself in mirror looking like smurf and others panicking and thought it was so weird because I didn't feel like I had anything that serious and felt nice.
ost: 133283, member: 3025"]I feel sad you tried it as a kid. That must have been relief to your loved ones it didn't work. I really hope you got help to your situation then.
How is that different from CO they have recommended for euthanasia also?
When animals are euthanised in some countries with it that has been very fast and they found no stress hormones in their blood. They got knocked out and died almost immediately.
I have food allergy and my throat got once guite slowly (about in 20minutes)so swallen in accident that my heart stopped and I had nde and was revived in hospital. I felt only euphoria then which I found very strange.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean anyone should do it. I want to live and wish we all could live and have decent life. Not with extreme pain 24/7 though and I have watched relatives in hospital having to do that. Just in my case it wont last long. When you know your condition is going to kill you you may really start to want to live much more than before. I just think euthanasia should be legal and in one site it was number one in recommended list for people who suffered too much to live. But I'm happy to get any info about the subject.
I believe it's same with others too, at least many. So many people die every year accidently while sober and awake or in sleep from CO. If it caused panic while awake I believe sober people would wake up also. Those who stay alive have said they didn't notice it.
Jen Erik
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- Oct 12, 2018
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What site? I'm really interested in reading more about people describe what they witnessed.
I was browsing different discussions on euthanasia in Internet. So I don't remember but I can try to find them since there are many sites about it. I always use tor and duckduck go as search engine.
There was old man from euthanasia (Exit as I remember) community with his picture who answered to guestions about the method that people sent there.
I saw similar answers in other sites too about the peacefullness. But for legal issues people don't often tell being the one holding hand of dieing as they went. I was reading answers from people who did not seem to hide their identity (had picture and some gave their name also) and who were part of the euthanasia community.
But I only read few pages and that could be found in chat rooms were people usually hide their identity.
There was old man from euthanasia (Exit as I remember) community with his picture who answered to guestions about the method that people sent there.
I saw similar answers in other sites too about the peacefullness. But for legal issues people don't often tell being the one holding hand of dieing as they went. I was reading answers from people who did not seem to hide their identity (had picture and some gave their name also) and who were part of the euthanasia community.
But I only read few pages and that could be found in chat rooms were people usually hide their identity.
In youtube there are videos of farm animals euthanised by it. They blacked out right away and died fast.
Only shocking thing about it to some commenters was seeing them fall down when they lost conscience if they were standing when it was done. There was no stresshormones found in them after since they blacked out almost right away and then died.
It's always so weird when people who eat meat say that's wrong because the other choice for farm animals in meat production is painfull death with panic, fear and suffering.
Only shocking thing about it to some commenters was seeing them fall down when they lost conscience if they were standing when it was done. There was no stresshormones found in them after since they blacked out almost right away and then died.
It's always so weird when people who eat meat say that's wrong because the other choice for farm animals in meat production is painfull death with panic, fear and suffering.
Trashcan
Trash
- Aug 31, 2018
- 1,234
I have done a little bit of welding, but mostly I'm a woodworker. I've picked up knowledge of gasses from people I've worked with and from being an EMT.
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