Discussion Have you ever seen a psychic or astrologer for guidance?

[Fadeawaaaay]

I saw one three or four months ago and he was quite accurate… Said something about Saturn dominating my life which made everything much more difficult, moving through existence as if carrying a bag of rocks… He said my fortunes would change on December 28 And the life of prosperity would open up to me. Seems unlikely.

 

[Itsallover123]

Seems very generic, they say stuff that applies to everyone. If I wanted real advice on life I'd look to buddhism

 

[Nightmare]

I would start identifying myself as retarded if i had as someone that does not embrace facts deserves no respect of mine.
Something that pisses me off as well are people who start whining to god when desperate while they normally claim not believing on it when asked instead of embracing the only one that watched over them all along which happens to be one's self.

 

[motel rooms]

@Shadowplay How do you feel about people using the word "astrologist"?

 

[setup]

Sent they all scams? Please don't waste ur money

 

[Shadowplay]

@Shadowplay How do you feel about people using the word "astrologist"?

I didn't have a problem with it .... until now!

 

[Painless_end]

Yes I have seen many. I have mental commitment, persistence and interest issues that make me so non-functional that it becomes hard to achieve anything worthwhile and therefore lots of things that astrologers told me, even though they were quite clear they were not "predicting" it since the desired outcome depended on my efforts, have not happened.

I have to always employ excessively closed minded thinking, because of how fragile I actually am in the real world due to lack of interest and other functional issues.

 

[setup]

Yes I have seen many. I have mental commitment, persistence and interest issues that make me so non-functional that it becomes hard to achieve anything worthwhile and therefore lots of things that astrologers told me, even though they were quite clear they were not "predicting" it since the desired outcome depended on my efforts, have not happened.

I have to always employ excessively closed minded thinking, because of how fragile I actually am in the real world due to lack of interest and other functional issues.

Idk sounds like a catch 22

 

[Shadowplay]

I didn't have a problem with it .... until now!

I like subtly wrong things for comedy; you could have a sketch or sitcom scene where the character deadpans 'astrologist' and you might not catch it the first time. Can imagine it in a 'Mitchell and Webb' sketch.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Really conflicted on this. For years, my instinct was to roll my eyes and dismiss it all as nonsense - a world full of scammers and low IQ suckers. But then I discovered that Near Death Experiences were a thing.

Hypothetically, If the question of whether consciousness exists independently of the brain was presented in a court of law, based on extremely credible witness testimony and actual verifiable evidence (such as a technically dead person overhearing and later recalling very specific discussions or events after having left their body, sometimes even in a different location to their physical body), the court would have no choice to find that consciousness isn't a product of the brain - it's completely independent.

These aren't one or two random stories of people confusing hallucinations, drugs or dreams with something else - these stories, at least the ones going public with them on the internet, are in the tens of thousands. There are organisations (non-religious) that people can contact to share their stories. They all describe the experience as being more real than anything in the physical realm and it's an experience that changes them forever - the realisation that they're more than a physical body.

So then you enter the rabbit hole - spirits, mediums, soul contracts, UFOs, psychics, god, the nature of reality, etc. If you accept that there's more to all this than our material reality, logically, all this cuckoo stuff is also on the table. It's an uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance if you prefer to be on the side of science, evidence, objective truth, logic and reason.

I do think there are a lot of people who have discovered a way to make easy money by shuffling a deck of cards or pretending to hear dead people or whatever, and make up generic nonsense that will fit your circumstances if you try hard enough.

Reminds me of this Derren Brown episode

Well, now we know that UFOs are real but we don't know what they are exactly. There is a whole realm of reality beyond our five senses. It's a big question mark.

 

[Painless_end]

Really conflicted on this. For years, my instinct was to roll my eyes and dismiss it all as nonsense - a world full of scammers and low IQ suckers. But then I discovered that Near Death Experiences were a thing.

Hypothetically, If the question of whether consciousness exists independently of the brain was presented in a court of law, based on extremely credible witness testimony and actual verifiable evidence (such as a technically dead person overhearing and later recalling very specific discussions or events after having left their body, sometimes even in a different location to their physical body), the court would have no choice to find that consciousness isn't a product of the brain - it's completely independent.

These aren't one or two random stories of people confusing hallucinations, drugs or dreams with something else - these stories, at least the ones going public with them on the internet, are in the tens of thousands. There are organisations (non-religious) that people can contact to share their stories. They all describe the experience as being more real than anything in the physical realm and it's an experience that changes them forever - the realisation that they're more than a physical body.

So then you enter the rabbit hole - spirits, mediums, soul contracts, UFOs, psychics, god, the nature of reality, etc. If you accept that there's more to all this than our material reality, logically, all this cuckoo stuff is also on the table. It's an uncomfortable state of cognitive dissonance if you prefer to be on the side of science, evidence, objective truth, logic and reason.

I do think there are a lot of people who have discovered a way to make easy money by shuffling a deck of cards or pretending to hear dead people or whatever, and make up generic nonsense that will fit your circumstances if you try hard enough.

Reminds me of this Derren Brown episode

Personally, I feel your comment is going way too deeper into the "rabbit hole" than what the OP is talking about

The OP is just wondering if people have visited astrologers and if anyone had any interesting insights they gained from it. Perhaps related to our suffering that has brought us here together.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

Personally, I feel your comment is going way too deeper into the "rabbit hole" than what the OP is talking about

The OP is just wondering if people have visited astrologers and if anyone had any interesting insights they gained from it. Perhaps related to our suffering that has brought us here together.

Ok, sorry. I'll delete it.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Ok, sorry. I'll delete it.

Haha - it's okay - You may take the conversation wherever you wish

 

[Painless_end]

Ok, sorry. I'll delete it.

No no no. I didn't mean it that way.

You could keep it up don't worry. As long as the comment isn't unnecessarily rude to anyone, I don't think any comment should be deleted here.

Take care

 

[rationaltake]

I saw one three or four months ago and he was quite accurate… Said something about Saturn dominating my life which made everything much more difficult, moving through existence as if carrying a bag of rocks… He said my fortunes would change on December 28 And the life of prosperity would open up to me. Seems unlikely.

Be great if he's right and things improve!

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Be great if he's right and things improve!

I am almost 100% certain they will not improve. The universe has tried to bless me with many opportunities in the past three or four months but I'm committed to self-destruction…

 

[rationaltake]

I am almost 100% certain they will not improve. The universe has tried to bless me with many opportunities in the past three or four months but I'm committed to self-destruction…

I get what you're saying. I'm done and finished me. Tying up loose ends. But still wondering if I can really do it. I'm putting things for my suicide kit on my wardrobe shelf. As you do... Almost 100% certain? Still hope for you I feel. I'm old!

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I get what you're saying. I'm done and finished me. Tying up loose ends. But still wondering if I can really do it. I'm putting things for my suicide kit on my wardrobe shelf. As you do... Almost 100% certain? Still hope for you I feel. I'm old!

I probably can't really do it. But I would like to think I can. Otherwise I'd have to face my problems and I'd rather not even think about them. In other words, it's nice to pretend.

 

[rationaltake]

I probably can't really do it. But I would like to think I can. Otherwise I'd have to face my problems and I'd rather not even think about them. In other words, it's nice to pretend.

I understand. I hope your problems could be solved. Mine can't. I like your honesty.

 

[thefoodispoison]

Astrologers and psychics can't read your mind or tell your future. However, the advice they give, either based on the things they can pick up about you by talking, or just the generic stuff that applies to a lot of people, can help. It can allow you see a situation in a new way that you hadn't considered, or name something that you hadn't been able to articulate before. It really can function as another method of mindfulness and reflection if you get over the "hur hur only morons believe in astrology" mindset.

 

[FuneralCry]

They do not know anything, I believe it is a scam, they are just trying to get money from people. You cannot predict the future as this life is determined by random factors out of our control.