Have you ever experienced a dreamless sleep?

[Kuolema]

I slept for about 4 hours today, with no dreams whatsoever. I feel amazing and refreshed. Have any of you ever experienced that?

 

[mattwitt]

There's been only 1 time in my life where I woke up and couldn't remember dreaming about anything at all.

 

[Empty Smile]

I think I have experienced it a few times. But I think when you sleep, you dream, even if your mind doesn't comprehend any dreaming going on.

 

[crimea_river]

It's extremely rare for me to dream, or remember having done so anyway. Having M.E put an end to that, it's actually shocking if I do recall having dreamt.

I don't really miss it, as the dreams I used to have were generally pretty confusing, or scary.

 

[Retched]

I rarely remember dreaming anymore. If I do, I take note.

 

[Donewith_]

yeah, I had some.. feels so good without dreams.

 

[RM5998]

Most of the time, I sleep without dreaming. The few times I do have dreams, they are indistinguishable from waking life.

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

It's insanely rare for me to dream. Last dream i remember was over 15 years ago. But they say you have "multiple dreams" everynight during rem sleep.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I think I remember maybe one dream every three months, something like that. Recently I read that if you don't remember your dreams, you're not getting a good quality sleep. I wonder if that is true, especially because I always wake up feeling so tired and unrefreshed. I can't recall the article exactly. It was something about not entering the REM stage. But tbh I know more about the music group than I do about that sleep state.

One thing I do have, is that I kind of half wake up in the night, often with a kind of unpleasant mental health struggle going on. Like part of me will be sort of obsessive/worrying about something, and the other half is like "it's alright, nothing's wrong, go back to sleep." Almost like I'm in a kind of twilight/limbo zone for maybe half an hour/an hour. Eventually I usually do fall back asleep, but in general, my rest feels very disturbed lately.

 

[Berndje]

I don't dream at all.

 

[ARW3N]

Yes, it's waking up to the nightmare called life that worries me.

 

[WornOutLife]

I've read that every human has at least 7 dreams a night.
If you don't remember them, it doesn't necessarily mean you haven't, but anyway, who knows?

Btw, I dreamt that I won a boxing tournament today. Just wtf! I don't even box haha

 

[Fragile]

Weed has an interesting side effect, in high doses it basically nullifies your dreams for the night, I rarely dream since I use it to sleep, it's fine since I usually get horrible nightmares.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I think you probably do dream, you just don't remember. Healthy sleep runs through the whole gamut of brain wave patterns and beta waves in REM sleep are essential to that cycle. Without REM sleep, the cerebro-spinal fluid doesn't get the metabolic waste washed out properly, so if you are feeling refreshed, you probably did have REM sleep. Many people can't remember their dreams, so it is as if they didn't have them at all.

 

[Good4Nothing]

Most of my sleep is dreamless these days. On the rare occasion I do dream, I don't remember it.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I dream way too much and constantly. I used to enjoy it but these days my nightmares are quite profoundly disturbing.

 

[Wrennie]

I don't know if this counts as "sleep", but under anesthesia I didn't dream at all and it was like time-travel since there wasn't anything to fill in the gaps. Closest to death you can get while still alive.

 

[Nymph]

Almost always, I don't remember dreams too often. I never feel refreshed though because I'm always tired

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

I think you probably do dream, you just don't remember. Healthy sleep runs through the whole gamut of brain wave patterns and beta waves in REM sleep are essential to that cycle. Without REM sleep, the cerebro-spinal fluid doesn't get the metabolic waste washed out properly, so if you are feeling refreshed, you probably did have REM sleep. Many people can't remember their dreams, so it is as if they didn't have them at all.

A little bird would enthusiastically begin to detail the phenomenon of a white dream. Sigh. :(

But you're right. IIRC white dreams tend to occur closer to the depths of NREM sleep.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

A little bird would enthusiastically begin to detail the phenomenon of a white dream. Sigh. :(

But you're right. IIRC white dreams tend to occur closer to the depths of NREM sleep.

My most vivid dreams tend to occur in hypnogogia, usually in the morning just before I wake up. I'm not even sure they are dreams, more like hallucinations.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

My most vivid dreams tend to occur in hypnogogia, usually in the morning just before I wake up. I'm not even sure they are dreams, more like hallucinations.

It's like a surreal half asleep-half awake state. Perfectly normal hallucinations, in case anyone was wondering. Everyone has them, as well as hypnic jerks.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

It's like a surreal half asleep-half awake state. Perfectly normal hallucinations, in case anyone was wondering. Everyone has them, as well as hypnic jerks.

I get hypnic jerks. I used to have them really badly due to anxiety. Couldn't even get to sleep because of them. I still get the occasional one. Like a monkey falling off a tree whilst falling asleep and waking up with a jolt. Its quite horrible actually. Years ago this was misdiagnosed with no clinical evidence as an ectopic heartbeat.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

I get hypnic jerks. I used to have them really badly due to anxiety. Couldn't even get to sleep because of them. I still get the occasional one. Like a monkey falling off a tree whilst falling asleep and waking up with a jolt. Its quite horrible actually. Years ago this was misdiagnosed with no clinical evidence as an ectopic heartbeat.

Seriously? Do professionals not understand how anxiety affects the body? Careful, I'm gonna rant again. Gotta reign it in. Lol

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Seriously? Do professionals not understand how anxiety affects the body? Careful, I'm gonna rant again. Gotta reign it in. Lol

At the time I wasn't showing any signs of anxiety, it was all internalised. I do a good impression of confidence and being able to cope. And the jolts were just occasional. But if I'd known about hypnogogic spasms back then I would have seen it for what it was. Oh but patients diagnosing themselves is bad, right? Yeah, well, bloody doctors get yer fingers out and start actually paying attention.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

At the time I wasn't showing any signs of anxiety, it was all internalised. I do a good impression of confidence and being able to cope. And the jolts were just occasional. But if I'd known about hypnogogic spasms back then I would have seen it for what it was. Oh but patients diagnosing themselves is bad, right? Yeah, well, bloody doctors get yer fingers out and start actually paying attention.

Lmao. We should start our own reform because we clearly have it all figured out

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Lmao. We should start our own reform because we clearly have it all figured out

My attitude can sometimes come across as arrogance and the doctors hate it. I can see that. But I don't give a fuck because it's my health and that trumps their job.
They have specialist knowledge (though sometimes I wonder even about that, especially when I see them consulting google for things I already know), but I'm the one who has the knowledge about me, not them. They should always listen to their patients but they often don't.
I've experienced decades of this and I've done my due diligence. That doesn't make me right, but I trust my instincts and experience over some twat who tells me to continue taking drugs that are clearly making things worse.
You don't get out of a problem by continuing with the same behaviour that got you into it in the first place.

 

[Gnip]

I don't know if this counts as "sleep", but under anesthesia I didn't dream at all and it was like time-travel since there wasn't anything to fill in the gaps. Closest to death you can get while still alive.

This is my experience with anesthesia as well. Including ECT treatments, wisdom tooth extractions and colonoscopies, I've been under anesthesia over 45 times (probably closer to 50 times).

I have also had lucid dreams where I was able to produce some measure of control when I was younger. When I was a kid, I'd sometimes have these horrendous nightmares, but I read that if I knew I was dreaming while it was taking place, and that dream was a nightmare, I could wake myself up if I screamed loudly enough in my nightmare. It actually worked.

Allegedly, if you die during a dream, you really do die in your sleep. My personal supposition is that death while sleeping is more like not waking up from anesthesia.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

My attitude can sometimes come across as arrogance and the doctors hate it. I can see that. But I don't give a fuck because it's my health and that trumps their job.
They have specialist knowledge (though sometimes I wonder even about that, especially when I see them consulting google for things I already know), but I'm the one who has the knowledge about me, not them. They should always listen to their patients but they often don't.
I've experienced decades of this and I've done my due diligence. That doesn't make me right, but I trust my instincts and experience over some twat who tells me to continue taking drugs that are clearly making things worse.
You don't get out of a problem by continuing with the same behaviour that got you into it in the first place.

All I can say is damn straight. It's refreshing to hear about the occasional doc who would understand exactly what you said. But that requires humility and vulnerability on their part. LOL

 

[Deleted member 1465]

All I can say is damn straight. It's refreshing to hear about the occasional doc who would understand exactly what you said. But that requires humility and vulnerability on their part. LOL

Exactly. And I did once meet a GP who was like that. He was very quietly spoken, listened and even let me actually call him when I needed to. He was the one that got me the scan that showed I had liver damage, when all the other docs had said my LFTs were fine so it was all in my head. But it was my body and I knew. And he listened. I swear that is what it takes, doctors who listen. Unfortunately, the amount of work and drive it takes to study medicine is often not something that goes hand in hand personality wise with someone who is good at listening.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

Exactly. And I did once meet a GP who was like that. He was very quietly spoken, listened and even let me actually call him when I needed to. He was the one that got me the scan that showed I had liver damage, when all the other docs had said my LFTs were fine so it was all in my head. But it was my body and I knew. And he listened. I swear that is what it takes, doctors who listen. Unfortunately, the amount of work and drive it takes to study medicine is often not something that goes hand in hand personality wise with someone who is good at listening.

Well thank goodness you found a doctor like that. A compassionate professional who is eager to listen, and even learn from the patient, makes such a difference!