Shoopie

Shoopie

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So I've only been here a short time but in my limited time I've seen many young people wanting to ctb. It's actually been an eye opener for me, I hadn't realised so many relatively young people are finding life so difficult.

Maybe it's simply that younger people are more internet savvy and have found this forum? Or maybe the world has gotten so awful that people get sick of life much quicker? I don't really know but it saddens me that people want to die before they've had (or been granted) the chance to live a life.

Off topic a little bit but I recently watched a Netflix series called 'The Unabomber in his own words' which led me to his manifesto. Shockingly I agreed with almost everything he wrote! How life essentially reduces us to small, insignificant cogs in a giant machine which makes life unbearable.

Anyway, what are the thoughts on this? I'd be interested in what everyone thinks.
 
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PrettyMoose

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Maybe it's simply that younger people are more internet savvy and have found this forum? Or maybe the world has gotten so awful that people get sick of life much quicker?

It's probably a mixture of both. While we live in a digital information age, we're also on the brink of collapse with many things becoming more out of reach for more people. The cost of living keeps rising while wages remain stagnant. Then there is environmental collapse, the ever-looming threat of nuclear war, so on. I can understand why so many youth give up hope.

I myself am 36 and have noticed plenty of 18-25 year olds here. There's also quite a few of us older farts to drag the average age up a little. I don't know what the accurate average would be though, it's hard to tell.

You're right that the unabomber had many accurate things to say. It's odd to find oneself in agreement with someone who ended up commiting such an awful atrocity, but one need not endorse the totality of a person's actions in order to agree with some of what they say in one moment of time.
 
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TowerUpright

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May 26, 2019
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It's probably a mixture of both. While we live in a digital information age, we're also on the brink of collapse with many things becoming more out of reach for more people. The cost of living keeps rising while wages remain stagnant. Then there is environmental collapse, the ever-looming threat of nuclear war, so on. I can understand why so many youth give up hope.

I myself am 36 and have noticed plenty of 18-25 year olds here. There's also quite a few of us older farts to drag the average age up a little. I don't know what the accurate average would be though, it's hard to tell.

You're right that the unabomber had many accurate things to say. It's odd to find oneself in agreement with someone who ended up commiting such an awful atrocity, but one need not endorse the totality of a person's actions in order to agree with some of what they say in one moment of time.

Who are you calling old fart??!! I'm in my late 40s..

Kids these days..... :sunglasses:
 
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pete_x

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May 9, 2020
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Seeing the increasingly defeated stoop of the shoulder in my nieces and nephews i fear the answer to be yes.
 
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FriendofDeath

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Suicide is the second or third highest cause of death for 15-24.
 
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Good4Nothing

Good4Nothing

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I was shocked and appalled at the number of very young people here, myself, when I first joined.
I used to say "but you haven't even started living yet", until I got called a pro-lifer, which is an insult hereabouts.
I keep my mouth shut now. It still saddens me, but what can you do?
I'm still trying to figure out if it says more about their generation or the state of the world today. Probably a bit of both, I guess.
 
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Green Destiny

Green Destiny

Life isn't worth the trouble.
Nov 16, 2019
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Being a person in my mid 20's I only speak for myself when it comes to factors for me wanting to CTB. The state of the world does not inspire confidence for the future, and nothing shows me that it will drastically change for the better before it's far far too late already. The thought of living up to 50-60 years is unbearable since I barely lack the mental capacity to take care of myself without someone else's help not to mention the thought growing old and frail is very unappealing. Lastly it's the simple fact that I did not ask for this life and because I wish to remove myself from it that's deemed a "Mental illness" by the majority. If people have the right to live then they should also have the right to die when they so choose.
 
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Shinbu

Shinbu

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Nov 23, 2019
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Yes probably, I'm in the minority on my reason to go, in my generation probably, maybe if I was born in the generation of trans-humans, then maybe I would have a different opinion on life, if the enhancements solves the aspects I don't like about being human. I would like boredom, hunger, diseases be solved eternally. Though trans-humans may be too limited in their potential to achieve what I want.
 
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kaz

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Apr 22, 2020
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this place is terrible, and it will get worse every day, my 21st birthday is tomorrow and i don't know if i would live happier if i had been born in the past, but i doubt it would be worse than living today or the life that young people will lead in the future
 
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MeriDeath

MeriDeath

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May 10, 2020
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So I've only been here a short time but in my limited time I've seen many young people wanting to ctb. It's actually been an eye opener for me, I hadn't realised so many relatively young people are finding life so difficult.

Maybe it's simply that younger people are more internet savvy and have found this forum? Or maybe the world has gotten so awful that people get sick of life much quicker? I don't really know but it saddens me that people want to die before they've had (or been granted) the chance to live a life.

Off topic a little bit but I recently watched a Netflix series called 'The Unabomber in his own words' which led me to his manifesto. Shockingly I agreed with almost everything he wrote! How life essentially reduces us to small, insignificant cogs in a giant machine which makes life unbearable.

Anyway, what are the thoughts on this? I'd be interested in what everyone thinks.

Intetesting topic. I think wanting to CTB is mainly due to the fact that people suffer so much, that they can't really go through the day without suffering, therefore they don't see any reason to live, their parents are awful, they're lonely, they hate how they look, they have mental problems, I say it depends on the severity of their problem, how they perceive life, how much help they get. Some just want attention and some not. But I guess it can happen on 16 and it can happen on 50, people nowadays are more aware of themselves. I think if life really can't get better than it's normal for a young person to think/consider it. But if it's nothing too "much" I think some people can definitely look for help but again some people just know, they might give a chance to life but when the suffer continues age doesn't matter anymore.
 
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I'm 20. I see the future ahead of me and it isn't bright. This world itself is rife with issues as previously mentioned by other users - income inequality, injustice, etc.

Personally, I have struggled with my mental health since the age of ~10 with the onset of bullying. Life never really got much better for me. I constantly feel tired, drained, and defeated. I have invested so much into trying to make my life worth living, I just simply have no hope anymore.
 
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PureMetanoia

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In many places suicide rates are on the rise, hand-in-hand with the rates of major depressive disorder, PTSD/cPTSD, addiction and especially personality disorders. All of these things shift the data that science had so far - that suicide is basically a thing reserved for people over 65 or the terminally ill - and now suicide has become the second leading cause of death of people age 15-24 worldwide and (depending on the data) third or forth in the 25-45 age bracket.

So yeah, more young people are finding ways to terminate their existence and maybe we'll see a reversal of this trend, but for the moment it is what it is...
 
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SpottedPanda

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Jul 24, 2019
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I'm 37 and I feel shocked at an 18 or 22 year old feeling suicidal. I was diagnosed with schizophrenia at 17, but at 24 was living my best life. Though I am aware that someone who's 75 could see my posts and think the same about me.
 
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Close_to_freedom

Close_to_freedom

Why the long face? Cause I don’t wanna live here.
May 19, 2020
418
Younger people typically have thinner skin and less grit when it comes to facing life's challenges. The current batch are the product of a very toxic era. The internet is mostly a curse.
 
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Sensei

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I agree with @PrettyNoose and @Close_to_freedom. I'd like to add one thing, and that is that this community is not necessarily representative. Different studies say different things, but I think it's safe to say that most studies say that middle-aged men are most likely to commit suicide. I'd say that they also are least likely to seek psychiatric treatment and, most importantly in this context, look for support in a community like this one. I'm in my early middle age and in this high-risk group myself (plus bipolar so I'm statistically f**ked) and I meet very few men my age around here. Those I do meet generally keep a very low profile. In short, this community probably doesn't mirror reality very well.
I was shocked and appalled at the number of very young people here, myself, when I first joined.
I used to say "but you haven't even started living yet", until I got called a pro-lifer, which is an insult hereabouts.
I keep my mouth shut now. It still saddens me, but what can you do?
I'm still trying to figure out if it says more about their generation or the state of the world today. Probably a bit of both, I guess.

I'm very f**king tired of how the term "pro-lifer" is misused and abused around here. You do not fail to recognize anyone's right to commit suicide and you do not judge anyone for deciding to to through with it by discussing options with young people. I say stick to your guns, @Good4Nothing.
 
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id say yes, definitely, judging by this forum at least
 
Sad_Autistic_boy_101

Sad_Autistic_boy_101

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Nov 19, 2019
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I feel like people are killing themselves younger, maybe because of the lack of mental health support available and the sudden drop from child mental health services.
I am 19 but have been attempting since I was 16.
 
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Close_to_freedom

Close_to_freedom

Why the long face? Cause I don’t wanna live here.
May 19, 2020
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Social media shouldn't be available to teenagers. They can't handle it.
 
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Quarky00

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Or maybe the world has gotten so awful that people get sick of life much quicker?
This .



It is known that young people (16-40) face more hardships and experience much more anxiety and depression compared to previous generations . Most of it is "real" .

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* Suicide rates have significantly increased for all age groups but 75+ (interesting). males , females

If you see a temporary rise here this could be due to SARS-2 . It has caused a major anxiety and depression increase across all age groups and without prior condition . But the overall trend is there for a decade . It's an anxiety ridden generation .

Generation K are "profoundly anxious" — both about global issues like terrorism and climate change, but also about their own personal futures. According to Hertz's research, 72% worry about terrorism and 64% fret about climate change, while 79% are concerned about getting a job and 72% agonize about getting into debt.

It's not that this place is suddenly more accessible to young people , they're really more suicidal (compared to the past) ; this is a sociological trend .
 
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It's happening to almost every demographic, all recent generations. The world is moving on and we are reacting to that.
 
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Gladtogo

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I'm not at all surprised that those who grew up with the internet want to escape. Western world now is a lethal combination of believing in nothing and facing scrutiny and ridicule for shit that doesn't matter. It's toxic.
 
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omoidarui

omoidarui

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I agree social media is partially to blame but personally I think overpopulation is the biggest factor of deaths in young people, it's the single issue that seems to cause most of the other issues that make it harder for us. Commuting anywhere is a nightmare, so's travelling in general. More people fighting for the same university place or the same job, difficulties getting onto the property ladder, the housing crisis and the response to it which is the construction of more estate developments where everyone lives within an unhealthy proximity of one another... and then the impact of overpopulation on the mental health services, which is that waiting times are longer and the standard/consistency of care given is less, which we know is the case because of that BBC documentary — yea, I think all this has something to do with it too.
 
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Shoopie

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I definitely think that it may also be in part a generational thing. I grew up in the 70s and we were just expected to get on with it. If you complained you weren't not only not listened to but bullied by other kids for being soft.
 
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Quarky00

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Social media and smartphones are just part of the problem . They create anxiety for sure . Social media , once connecting people , now pulls apart the fabric of society; losing basic sense of belonging and safety . Social media is toxic but even without it we have a problem -- being bombarded 24/7 with instant messages . People used to wait for a landline call or meet outside . These two aspects of human interaction are now fundamental and irreversible (only harm reduction can be suggested).

The threat of terror or starvation has decreased while life expectancy had gone up , pretty much across the world . Some threats are echoed by the news , social media -- and alarmingly private messaging between friends . But people are genuinely worried about their prospects (and not just the materialistic ones) . It's rarely about what you have right now , but what you can have in the future . Can I , the "normal/simple" person , have a family? Not really . Even "impulsive suicides" are rarely due to an event -- but thinking of it as a disaster that will obliterate everything in the future . This is a common thread . The idea of 'no future ahead' is the core problem , almost always .

Previous generations had problems but not to such extent . Many boomers enjoyed an almost-free education and housing that was affordable. Sadly , working hard and being tough no longer guarantees one's future (unlike their times) . Research shows younger generations are living with their parents till the age of 40 not because they're spoiled but because they work/study and cannot afford otherwise . Some boomers focus on short-term hardships or materialistic comparisons of their time -- and miss that substantial imbalance and crucial long-term uncertainty (anxiety). Some of them refuse to listen , and their dismissal of these issues is a huge problem .

It is no coincidence that there are more riots across the world , from gilets jaunes to George Floyd . Even without social media there is anger and angst . Even without watching the news and tweets there are genuine turmoils and real life dangers . This was a decade of cuts. pay freeze and deregulation , as countries and industries were initially threatened by a spiraling debt and liquidity ; but without pay growth and as essential services (health to infrastructure) were crumbling . Let's not be naive , this did not come out of the blue but was governments' stated policies, across most of the world and political spectrum.

Some of us will be suicidal regardless . Some won't . This is not a materialistic or a monetary evaluation -- some suicidals may have benefited from a better societal support and kindness from the community around them , or better attentive healthcare (rather than being dismissed and unattended). This is also true for severely distressed people who would become desperate and potentially suicidal . Of course , some have long term issues and would be unmoved by such changes .

Tying all this together , social media and smartphones , prospect and riots , essential services and support , uncertainty and pain... In terms of distress and volatility as a society we are either in 1968 , or .. 1939 . More and more historians and sociologists point to that (and not the sensational news personas but non-alarmists academics) .

Something is amiss ; something is awry.
 
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Fizzel87

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We live in a cultural wasteland. Everything is shit and getting worse.
 
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garbagemonkey

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May 18, 2020
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this place is terrible, and it will get worse every day, my 21st birthday is tomorrow and i don't know if i would live happier if i had been born in the past, but i doubt it would be worse than living today or the life that young people will lead in the future
I may be late but wanted to say Happy Birthday (sorry if that sentiment is offensive around here).
 
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ghostgirl1995

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Apr 18, 2020
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Social media ruined me! I used to have a huge platform but it came with 100 pounds of hate and I would try to fight back. It wrecked my life. It sucks how a lot of things you say when your mad to fight haters back remains. Cyber bullying is going to continue to get worse and worse :( I hate it.
 
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Fragile

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Jul 7, 2019
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It's hard to say. the world is definitely harder for younger people right now. and that's not to say that "older" people have it easy, the world sucks for everybody, but things are just so different and are changing so much. this age of technology has brought a lot of new exciting stuff, but also so much bullshit into our lives. automation is really fucking over young people and entry level jobs, it's harder than ever to "get started" in life. and that's just the tip of the iceberg when talking about this generation's issues.
 
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