Has anyone tried ketamine to feel better?

[Hyd999]

I came close to killing myself 2 weeks ago today, i started breathing in nitrogen and got my oxygen down to mid 60's. Just wanted a tast of what it feels like. Wasnt trying to actually cbt that day but wanted to be comfortable doing it if needed.

I was feeling very depressed and a few days later i remembered how me and my therapist a while ago talked about doing ketamine due to sometimes treating treatment resistant depression. It gave me motivation and just knowing it is an option made me feel so much better. Im gonna be meeting with the doc next week to get my first dose.

Has anyone else tried this? Did it help? Was it worth trying?

 

[Judy Garland]

I've never had the pleasure of doing ketamine. Enjoy!

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

I did it recreationally a few times in the '00s. It was pretty great tbh. I watched Lord of the Rings and thought I was the one heading for Mordor.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

I did IV Ketamine infusion treatments. They worked best in crisis to reduce active suicidal thoughts. Extremely expensive and effect eventually wore off. Some people do ketamine plus therapy at the same time to work through situational depression and may have long term benefit but if you have chronic suicidal depression the effect wears off in many eventually (from small studies available at this point, effectiveness can be reduced after 6-8weeks.) I stopped doing it because of cost. Would maybe consider again but lack of long term benefit is frustrating.

 

[thankyouforthis]

Ketamine is my favorite, so much so that if I had regular access to it, I might not even want to ctb. Sadly, I haven't had any in years. I have heard there's talk here (in the US) of allowing it as a therapy treatment, but they said the same thing about mushrooms and all that really happened is a handful of doctors started handing out small doses on the low. It never really went mainstream. I suspect it'll be the same if they ever take the helpful effects of ketamine seriously-- they might look the other way and let some doctors in some areas give it to you, but it won't ever be like Prozac or whatever the standard is these days.

I did IV Ketamine infusion treatments. They worked best in crisis to reduce active suicidal thoughts. Extremely expensive and effect eventually wore off. Some people do ketamine plus therapy at the same time to work through situational depression and may have long term benefit but if you have chronic suicidal depression the effect wears off in many eventually (from small studies available at this point, effectiveness can be reduced after 6-8weeks.) I stopped doing it because of cost. Would maybe consider again but lack of long term benefit is frustrating.

I don't know where you are but I mentioned it my post that something like this MIGHT happen. So it sounds like you're allowed to get it but it's cost prohibitive? So I'll never get it that way. I am poor. I used to get it recreationally, the way people buy weed or whatever; but I don't have any such hookups atm. As a rec thing, it was actually pretty cheap!

I came close to killing myself 2 weeks ago today, i started breathing in nitrogen and got my oxygen down to mid 60's. Just wanted a tast of what it feels like. Wasnt trying to actually cbt that day but wanted to be comfortable doing it if needed.

I was feeling very depressed and a few days later i remembered how me and my therapist a while ago talked about doing ketamine due to sometimes treating treatment resistant depression. It gave me motivation and just knowing it is an option made me feel so much better. Im gonna be meeting with the doc next week to get my first dose.

Has anyone else tried this? Did it help? Was it worth trying?

That's pretty cool that you have that opportunity. I would definitely take it, but others warn that it might not last forever/really make you not wanna ctb anymore. It'll at least help in the short term, though. Some of my fondest "memories" (if you can call them that) are from having been on ketamine. If you can afford it, I'm not sure you've got anything to lose!

 

[SosoruzeDosukoi]

I did it for a few months. It didn't do anything for my depression, honestly, but it was nice to just be high for a few hours once or twice a week. Not worth how much it cost, but it was nice, so if the cost is covered for you, i'd say do it. I think about death a lot, and when I was doing the K treatments, it was no different. Even while being high lol.
It's supposed to have a high success rate from what i remember the doctor telling me, so if you do try it, I hope it works for you. :)

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Ketamine is my favorite, so much so that if I had regular access to it, I might not even want to ctb. Sadly, I haven't had any in years. I have heard there's talk here (in the US) of allowing it as a therapy treatment, but they said the same thing about mushrooms and all that really happened is a handful of doctors started handing out small doses on the low. It never really went mainstream. I suspect it'll be the same if they ever take the helpful effects of ketamine seriously-- they might look the other way and let some doctors in some areas give it to you, but it won't ever be like Prozac or whatever the standard is these days.

I don't know where you are but I mentioned it my post that something like this MIGHT happen. So it sounds like you're allowed to get it but it's cost prohibitive? So I'll never get it that way. I am poor. I used to get it recreationally, the way people buy weed or whatever; but I don't have any such hookups atm. As a rec thing, it was actually pretty cheap!

That's pretty cool that you have that opportunity. I would definitely take it, but others warn that it might not last forever/really make you not wanna ctb anymore. It'll at least help in the short term, though. Some of my fondest "memories" (if you can call them that) are from having been on ketamine. If you can afford it, I'm not sure you've got anything to lose!

its definitely already a thing. Both nasal ketamine (Spravato) and iv ketamine are available in the United States. The clinic I went to has 20 locations around the us and is only one of dozens in my city alone. Nasal ketamine is also available through many psychiatrists and is covered (some) by insurance for some for major depression diagnosis because it's fda approved. Iv ketamine is given in private clinics. Both are expensive

 

[Hyd999]

Thanks for the info. Should have it a week from tomorrow! Also mine isnt covered i have to pay. Its $3000 (usd) for 16 treatments at the place i found. But its worth a try. I was going to do iv treatment but they are all booked for the next month. and cant even see me for my innitial appt till mid july. So i went with the doctors who do video appointments and use compounding pharmacys to prescribe.

 

[NoLightRemains]

Let us know how it goes for you, I'm hoping it's helpful.

I'm 3 sessions out of 6 in IV treatments myself. No effects that last longer than a day so far. But I'm at least going to finish these 6 appts.

 

[wait.what]

Extremely expensive and effect eventually wore off.

This is similar to my experience, although for a few days to a week, it made life bearable. I actually had the best results with a combination of IV ketamine and TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). That's an enormous investment of time and money, but for about a month there I was doing all right.

I don't know if the protocol is the same everywhere, but I went to the TMS clinic 5 days a week for 6 weeks. When they added in the ketamine, what I did was first go to the ketamine clinic in the morning. That procedure lasted 2 hours, and it could be extremely draining. Then I took a cab across town to the TMS clinic. The experience of getting TMS is a little difficult to describe. As I understand it, it causes seizure activity, like ECT does, but these seizures are confined to your brain and face. They don't have to give you general anesthesia or use a paralytic like they do for ECT. They do give you a mouth guard because your jaw is going to clench with each zap from the machine, and it's possible to crack teeth like that.

They don't want the zaps to hurt, and if they do, you need to signal to them that something is wrong. Sometimes the zaps do hurt, though. They're administered with this helmet thing you wear. It comes down from the machine on a cord, and it looks like a mad scientist invention from the movies. If the helmet wasn't positioned just right, the zaps would feel like someone had jabbed a blunt knife into my eye socket. Then I'd signal frantically and my minder/machine operator would shut the machine off and reposition the helmet. That second position always seemed to be better. After about 10 minutes of intermittent zapping, they'd shut the machine off. I'd sit there for 10-15 minutes until I could shake the strange woozy feeling that I got after TMS, and then I'd get a cab ride home. I did ketamine + TMS about twice a week for maybe three weeks to a month, along with TMS alone for the rest of the week days. I didn't get a lot else done during that time period, as you might imagine.

Worked pretty well for about month, then started to wear off. What helps the most is the zinc and b6 I've been taking. That won't work for you if you don't have that particular nutrient deficiency, although it's simple enough to try the pills and see what they do (if anything). Be careful with the zinc, though. If you take huge amounts, it can damage your kidneys. My doc does have me on huge amounts, like 100-150 mg per day of both b6 and zinc. Maybe it will destroy my kidneys, but I hardly care. Killing yourself is also bad for your kidneys, or so I hear. And that is where I was at a few weeks ago. At the moment, I have a slight but perceptible will to live, which is doing pretty well for me.

So i went with the doctors who do video appointments and use compounding pharmacys to prescribe.

I didn't know anywhere did that. That seems strangely light on supervision. Are you talking about the ketamine troches that melt in your mouth?

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

This is similar to my experience, although for a few days to a week, it made life bearable. I actually had the best results with a combination of IV ketamine and TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation). That's an enormous investment of time and money, but for about a month there I was doing all right.

I don't know if the protocol is the same everywhere, but I went to the TMS clinic 5 days a week for 6 weeks. When they added in the ketamine, what I did was first go to the ketamine clinic in the morning. That procedure lasted 2 hours, and it could be extremely draining. Then I took a cab across town to the TMS clinic. The experience of getting TMS is a little difficult to describe. As I understand it, it causes seizure activity, like ECT does, but these seizures are confined to your brain and face. They don't have to give you general anesthesia or use a paralytic like they do for ECT. They do give you a mouth guard because your jaw is going to clench with each zap from the machine, and it's possible to crack teeth like that.

They don't want the zaps to hurt, and if they do, you need to signal to them that something is wrong. Sometimes the zaps do hurt, though. They're administered with this helmet thing you wear. It comes down from the machine on a cord, and it looks like a mad scientist invention from the movies. If the helmet wasn't positioned just right, the zaps would feel like someone had jabbed a blunt knife into my eye socket. Then I'd signal frantically and my minder/machine operator would shut the machine off and reposition the helmet. That second position always seemed to be better. After about 10 minutes of intermittent zapping, they'd shut the machine off. I'd sit there for 10-15 minutes until I could shake the strange woozy feeling that I got after TMS, and then I'd get a cab ride home. I did ketamine + TMS about twice a week for maybe three weeks to a month, along with TMS alone for the rest of the week days. I didn't get a lot else done during that time period, as you might imagine.

Worked pretty well for about month, then started to wear off. What helps the most is the zinc and b6 I've been taking. That won't work for you if you don't have that particular nutrient deficiency, although it's simple enough to try the pills and see what they do (if anything). Be careful with the zinc, though. If you take huge amounts, it can damage your kidneys. My doc does have me on huge amounts, like 100-150 mg per day of both b6 and zinc. Maybe it will destroy my kidneys, but I hardly care. Killing yourself is also bad for your kidneys, or so I hear. And that is where I was at a few weeks ago. At the moment, I have a slight but perceptible will to live, which is doing pretty well for me.

I didn't know anywhere did that. That seems strangely light on supervision. Are you talking about the ketamine troches that melt in your mouth?

Yea I tried tms and had a seizure two weeks in and it was one of the most terrifying experiences in my life. Then of course not to mention the $4,500 for the two weeks of treatment I had to pay the tms clinic and the $4,000 ER bill I have no good thoughts towards tms

 

[KevG]

I came close to killing myself 2 weeks ago today, i started breathing in nitrogen and got my oxygen down to mid 60's. Just wanted a tast of what it feels like. Wasnt trying to actually cbt that day but wanted to be comfortable doing it if needed.

I was feeling very depressed and a few days later i remembered how me and my therapist a while ago talked about doing ketamine due to sometimes treating treatment resistant depression. It gave me motivation and just knowing it is an option made me feel so much better. Im gonna be meeting with the doc next week to get my first dose.

Has anyone else tried this? Did it help? Was it worth trying?

After nearly three years of various treatments and a dozen attempts at antidepressants that did not work my partner and I heard about ketamine and read a lot of information about it. It sounded very promising. Watch on line videos and you will see. I was in the room the entire time he had the session and ketamine drip. After a half an hour he was done with the treatment. His eyes were still closed as I held his hand. He began to cry and I asked why. He first said because he was afraid he was going to hurt me. I asked how and why but he didn't give a real answer. He said the ketamine only made his severe depressed feelings worse while receiving the treatment . The doctor met with us and said to come back in two days and he will try again with a higher dose which he felt would work. When we left the doctors office my partner told me he didn't want to go back for the second treatment and that he was too far gone for any treatment to work. I pleaded with him to go back and he promised me he would. We went back home and had a typical evening of watching tv and laying together. He was not emotional or upset. At 4:00 a.m. he came to my bed to lay with me as he said he could not sleep. He had done this many times before. I talked with him and asked if I could come and lay with him until he fell asleep. He said no that he would be ok. Again, not emotional and no crying. When I got up at 7:30 a.m. his bed was made and I rushed about the house to find him. I ran outside with why heart racing. As I entered the back yard I found him laying on the ground. He had shot himself in the forehead with a hollow point bullet. I didn't even know he had a gun.

He was fearful of another session as he felt the first one only made his pain and anxiety worse during the session.

I still believe the second ketamine session might have worked.

If you do decide to received ketamine therapy keep in mind it may take several sessions before you notice any benefit. At lease that is what I have read. Everyone is different.

A family member who is a pharmacist has told other family members that ketamine treatment can cause suicidal thoughts. I can't find any proof of that on line.

 

[noaccount]

Yea I tried tms and had a seizure two weeks in and it was one of the most terrifying experiences in my life. Then of course not to mention the $4,500 for the two weeks of treatment I had to pay the tms clinic and the $4,000 ER bill I have no good thoughts towards tms

How awful.
Just imagine how awful it is for all the people who psychiatry forces into similar invasive treatments:


A legal battle Charles Helmer of Minnesota had to fight because he was being forced into ECT

ALERT: PROTECT CHARLES HELMER FROM ONGOING, FORCED ELECTRO-SHOCK IN MN - Mad In America


Ray Sandford forced to undergo ECT which took a community of disability rights activists a very long time to stop:

Ray Gateway: Campaign Ended Forced Outpatient Electroshock of Ray Sandford — MFIPortal
Ray Sandford is a 55-year-old Minnesota citizen who was receiving ongoing involuntary outpatient electroshock. He was court-ordered to leave his home regularly to receive this human rights violation. Ray has WON! Here is your gateway to news and background on the MindFreedom campaign to support...

Reflecting Back on a Campaign to Stop Forced, Outpatient Electroshock
Remember, on April 15, 2015 Ray will celebrate year number six without forced ECT.

Court forced Connecticut man into electric shock:

Involuntary shock therapy court-ordered for Connecticut man | New England Psychologist
This past spring, a probate court ordered a 26-year-old man in Connecticut to undergo electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) and involuntary medication at Yale New Haven Hospital. The man, identified only as John Doe, secured the Connecticut Legal Rights Project (CLRP) for his defense in

www.nepsy.com

Connecticut hospitals still allowed to use ECT without consent:

Psychiatric Hospitals Can Still Force Patients to Accept Shock Treatment. One Connecticut Patient Has Been Shocked 500 Times in Five Years.

Despite concerns about efficacy and side effects, courts are slow to act on behalf of patients who don't want the treatment.
reason.com


Simone D. sues New York State for forcing her to undergo ECT:

https://digitalcommons.nyls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1459&context=nyls_law_review


Glen K. forcibly shocked in New York state hospital:

VICTORY: Forced Electroshock of Glen K. in a New York Psychiatric Institution Halted! — MFIPortal
Within 48 hours of the launch of a MindFreedom Alert Campaign, the Attorney General for New York announced that Glen K. will receive no more forced electroshock under his court order. Rockland Psychiatric Center was giving involuntary electroshock over and against Glen's expressed wishes...



University of Flordia hospital assault patient and force into ECT, long legal battle before this stops happening to him regularly:

Advocates demand change following forced shock therapy case at Shands - The Independent Florida Alligator
A Shands psychiatric patient was cornered by staff, shocked by force and left with lasting memory damage.
www.alligator.org

Shield Alert Update: The forced shocking of Brian Henley has been suspended! Hold off writing letters for now! - MindFreedom International (MFI)

Update on 7/27/2021 Here is a recording of a voicemail left by Brian on the phone of Michele Diamond, when Brian learned that his Shield alert was successful and that he would be discharged MFI has confirmed that Brian was discharged. You can listen to Update on 7/14/21. Great news! The forced...
mindfreedom.org


Adults under guardianship or ruled incompetent forced into ECT in Michigan:

https://www.healthyplace.com/depression/articles/involuntary-and-illegal-electroshock-in-michigan


Archived version of NPR report on Illinois doctors petitioning court to force octogenerian into ECT:

Octogenarian May Be Forced to Undergo Shock Treatment


California state government policy paper on when the state will sentence people to non-consensual ECT:

https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/services/Documents/DHCS_Handbook_English.pdf

 

[thankyouforthis]

Thanks for the info. Should have it a week from tomorrow! Also mine isnt covered i have to pay. Its $3000 (usd) for 16 treatments at the place i found. But its worth a try. I was going to do iv treatment but they are all booked for the next month. and cant even see me for my innitial appt till mid july. So i went with the doctors who do video appointments and use compounding pharmacys to prescribe.

Good luck!

After nearly three years of various treatments and a dozen attempts at antidepressants that did not work my partner and I heard about ketamine and read a lot of information about it. It sounded very promising. Watch on line videos and you will see. I was in the room the entire time he had the session and ketamine drip. After a half an hour he was done with the treatment. His eyes were still closed as I held his hand. He began to cry and I asked why. He first said because he was afraid he was going to hurt me. I asked how and why but he didn't give a real answer. He said the ketamine only made his severe depressed feelings worse while receiving the treatment . The doctor met with us and said to come back in two days and he will try again with a higher dose which he felt would work. When we left the doctors office my partner told me he didn't want to go back for the second treatment and that he was too far gone for any treatment to work. I pleaded with him to go back and he promised me he would. We went back home and had a typical evening of watching tv and laying together. He was not emotional or upset. At 4:00 a.m. he came to my bed to lay with me as he said he could not sleep. He had done this many times before. I talked with him and asked if I could come and lay with him until he fell asleep. He said no that he would be ok. Again, not emotional and no crying. When I got up at 7:30 a.m. his bed was made and I rushed about the house to find him. I ran outside with why heart racing. As I entered the back yard I found him laying on the ground. He had shot himself in the forehead with a hollow point bullet. I didn't even know he had a gun.

He was fearful of another session as he felt the first one only made his pain and anxiety worse during the session.

I still believe the second ketamine session might have worked.

If you do decide to received ketamine therapy keep in mind it may take several sessions before you notice any benefit. At lease that is what I have read. Everyone is different.

A family member who is a pharmacist has told other family members that ketamine treatment can cause suicidal thoughts. I can't find any proof of that on line.

That last part you said-- I feel like they say that about almost every antidepressant/anti-suicidal treatment, and I can't help but laugh. "Feelin' suicidy? Take this. But beware: This might make you feel suicidy."

 

[imdoneee]

Ketamine is my favorite, so much so that if I had regular access to it, I might not even want to ctb. Sadly, I haven't had any in years. I have heard there's talk here (in the US) of allowing it as a therapy treatment, but they said the same thing about mushrooms and all that really happened is a handful of doctors started handing out small doses on the low. It never really went mainstream. I suspect it'll be the same if they ever take the helpful effects of ketamine seriously-- they might look the other way and let some doctors in some areas give it to you, but it won't ever be like Prozac or whatever the standard is these days.

I don't know where you are but I mentioned it my post that something like this MIGHT happen. So it sounds like you're allowed to get it but it's cost prohibitive? So I'll never get it that way. I am poor. I used to get it recreationally, the way people buy weed or whatever; but I don't have any such hookups atm. As a rec thing, it was actually pretty cheap!

That's pretty cool that you have that opportunity. I would definitely take it, but others warn that it might not last forever/really make you not wanna ctb anymore. It'll at least help in the short term, though. Some of my fondest "memories" (if you can call them that) are from having been on ketamine. If you can afford it, I'm not sure you've got anything to lose!

Hey!! Just wondering if you have any tips for me, I have 2 ml of Ketamine here (50mg/ml), but I don't know really understand why people love this drug I injected 0,5 ml yesterday (25 mg) i.m, but I just got really dizzy and felt paralyzed. Don't know for how long really but maybe an hour or so, I just laid in bed and idk what happened really. I just couldn't move and everything was spinning. I wasn't anxious or scared, I just remember thinking like «what's the deal with this, I should be scared but I'm not, I think» lol. And then I fell asleep

 

[notlongnow]

Ketamine alone ain't it. With others talking absolute gibberish definitely. Sign me up!!

 

[Lawliet]

i did clinical ketamine for migraines and it did absolutely nothing for me. it was just a waste of money and made me really nauseous. didn't help my mood either

 

[SimchaJ]

Yes, I did IV ketamine for depression and it did help me feel better. My issues go beyond just depression (child of Holocaust survivors, strange childhood, now I am a strange person in a world that has no space for folks like me).

I wish ovens were made they were 50 years ago, I would do a Sylvia Plath exit in a heart beat.

 

[SuzeWantsOut]

I did ketamine transfusions five years ago when my torpor, ideations, and the pain of isolation were at the worst, maybe, in all my life (including now).

It did work, but it doesn't last. I loved the high--that part was great. When I got home after the first treatment, I was euphoric, but not in a drug-hazed way (as I was while getting the transfusion--I was super high snd loved that part). When I got home, I realized, it was meme, as I know myself, but without the weight of depression and all that goes with it. Heavenly.

They make you "stack" the first couple weeks of transfusions, and I had to miss the second to last in the first two weeks. I came crashing back down, which made it all just worse. When I was able to start again, it worked, but it never lasted. The longest it ever lasted between infusions was just under three weeks, which was great, but when it wore off, it happened fast--bang, right back down.

The last time I went, which was right after the three-week stretch, I knew as soon as I got to the elevator to leave: it did nothing, but it had cost me $450. I was not willing or able to keep experimenting with it. When all was said and done, I spent almost as much as I did on a car.

There is something to it. I am certain that, at least for me, it showed that there are two different things going on: there is depression, that awful weight, and then there is suicidality. I think ketamine can probably help in the short term for suicidality.


I have a pretty low opinion of the doctors administering ketamine. The clinic I went to is part of company with about a dozen clinics in the US. They are all run by rather young psychiatrists. They make no bones about it: they are not there to work with you in the capacity of a therapist in any way, ie, not as psychiatrists. They call themselves "consultants" only. How is that ethical at all? I was left with the impression that this 30-ish-year-old "physician" had found himself a gold mine dealing ketamine legally, and I don't think he cares a bit that it doesn't last. He's making a mint, and that's what he cares about.

There is something to be learned by those who are still conducting research because it is fast acting, it does work fo both depression and SI, but it does not affect the serotonin system in the brain. If nothing else, it shows that depression and suicide affect different parts of the brain, and that depression and suicidality are neurological disorders.

Recently, this past summer, I reached a point after a lot of EMDR sessions with my current therapist that left me feeling just like I did when the ketamine had knocked out the depression and SI. It went on for quite a while, maybe a month. I was not manic, not nutty, just me, without that weight. Then I got triggered again by my very unloving family, and I crashed.

I am convinced it is neurological, and I hope that there are ethical researchers who will keep looking for answers. Ketamine is not the answer, but it was nice while it lasted. (As it should have been, for all the money I spent on it.)

 

[AloeGarten]

ive done a lot of k, k holed etc... its very nice in the moment and its truly unique but doesnt help my problems really. one thing i did find interesting though is that while on k, others ive talked to also agreed, that the concept of death is much different than when youre sober. on k death suddenly seems so real, i become terrified of dying. anyone else had this? suddenly the concept of death becomes real, you really understand that once youre dead thats it, it makes me appriciate life
of course once im sober again reality sets in, but it is a very unique experience, k holing and being away from my body is a great, freeing feeling

 

[p-funk]

I did six IV sessions over three weeks for depression and they didn't help at all. At my initial session, the doc said about 70% of patients see great results, 10% mild positive results, and 20% see no improvement. Looks like I was one of the 20%. While the high and escape from reality were mostly enjoyable while getting the infusions, I regret wasting $3300.

 

[No blackangel]

Have done 8 transfusions. No effect what so ever, rather the opposite.

 

[ukket]

Did ket in the clubs many years ago, fell down a big hole and enjoyed it all, anyone looked into ODing on it? Is it possible?

 

[Jimblue]

I never tried it. It could be help you in short term, but I would not advice you for long term.

 

[Badatlove]

My ketamine K hole once was like dying, went trough many tunnels with white light. A once of a life time experience hard to explain maybe will do it again before ctb.
Used ketamine trough the years with some periods a bit mostly social with partying but best moments were alone, in my bed with good music under a big blanket and you can go to another world and forget all pain.
Recently thinking about become a ket addict do it just everyday to pass time. I smoke soo much weed now all day every day and ket would be better to really pass time. It fucks up your bladder though so if you not plan on ctb soon maybe don't do it everyday whole day. It let you look at your life from top view different angle less emotions. Extremely weird new discoveries and adventures with yourself never boring so that helps a lot. Very much one of my fav drugs

 

[TheManIllNeverBe]

I did six IV sessions over three weeks for depression and they didn't help at all. At my initial session, the doc said about 70% of patients see great results, 10% mild positive results, and 20% see no improvement. Looks like I was one of the 20%. While the high and escape from reality were mostly enjoyable while getting the infusions, I regret wasting $3300.

This is very similar to my experience. I also did six IV sessions spaced over 3 weeks, for treatment resistant depression. The high was pretty good, and I felt better for about 24 hours after each session, but then I returned to baseline, or sometimes a bit worse. I also regret wasting about $3000, but hey, like most all of us, I was desperate and willing to try anything. For me, I blame the lack of efficacy on the cocktail of psychiatric meds that I'm on and can't seem to get off of. I feel like they're ruining my life, and making it so that other potential treatments/therapies are ineffective. The people at the ketamine center seemed to agree with that assessment, but there is unfortunately no way to get me off of these meds quickly.

 

[SuzeWantsOut]

Did ket in the clubs many years ago, fell down a big hole and enjoyed it all, anyone looked into ODing on it? Is it possible?

Yes, it is possible to OD on ketamine. That's how the cops and paramedic murdered Elijah McClain, on his wa home from buying sift drinks at a 7-11 in Colorado. They said he was combative —no reason even to detain him much less out in a choke hold, but still, he was not combative—and cops called paramedics who gave him a very large dose. By the time he reached the hospital, his brain was dead. Five days later his family asked to have life support removed. He would never have recovered.

You can see this murder on YouTube via cops body cameras. I think it happened in either 2019 or 2020, and is just now finally being classified as possible homocide.

So yes, you can OD on ketamine. I don't know how much, and of course, he did not die, his brain as destroyed. There's also a difference between pharm grade ketamine and what is available on the street. They gave Elijah a huge dose. They murdered him.