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canisayplease

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Nov 10, 2023
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I've been focusing and taking care myself alone, I don't think I ever needed to seek help even if the situation is at the worst.

I'm asking because I don't think I'll never try contacting them, and I am curious if any of you had an experience which helped you afterward or rather the opposite
 
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tabletop

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Oct 8, 2019
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I have called a few times in my life. Well...2 that I can recall. First time was years before I became suicidal. I was struggling with Major Depression and did cry uncontrollable. I even told the person who answered I didn't feel suicidal but crying uncontrollable. The person just let me talk and was a good responsive listener for like five to ten minutes and I stopped crying. Still felt like absolute shit but better. I think that was a good and helpful call.
But that was against the script their given. I believe.

A few years ago I did call in again feeling incredible anxious. They followed script. I was struggling with suicidal ideation but NOT intent. I didn't make that clear. However they also don't determine hospitalization based on that. They base whether to hospitalize you or not based on this question. "Have you thought of a way to kill yourself?" To me that's not intent. To me everyone knows ways to kill themselves. We all know that people have hung themselves, jumped off buildings, in front of trains etc. To me knowing a method that can kill any human (yourself included) qualifies as a thought of how to kill yourself. Just as I have thought of ways to go to college and become a lawyer or a radiation therapist. Just cause I've learned how to go through those processes doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

All that said...I actually wanted to be hospitalized. I knew I wasn't killing myself anytime soon. But my MDD had me feeling continually tortured. I was HOPING the hospital would pursue a different route besides the failed drugs route that only ever worsened my condition. I hoped they would pursue maybe alternative treatment! Or maybe even pursue examination for and possible underlying causes. But nope....just more broken system money revolving door drugs. So as far as your question OP. The second call they followed script. I was aware of the script, I wanted to be hospitalized. I used them just for verbal affirmation to encourage myself to actually drive myself to the hospital. They fulfilled my use based on prediction. Is that actually helpful? Of course not.

I would like to critique the system as a whole on this. I mean, I get it. I think that I think differently and more literally than others. This question of "have you thought of a way?" is not expressive of intent. They should use a new question to determine hospitalization based on intent. Not knowledge. I would also like to critique these suicide hotlines. I think they're ran by volunteers with little to no training. Just following scripted conversations. I think most of us know this. It's so EXTREMELY not personal and therefore not helpful. I think only licensed therapists who are trained to have helpful useful conversations WITHOUT SCRIPTS should be allowed to answer these phones. And that scripts could even be outright banned to help more conversations be personal. Maybe then it could be helpful.
 
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WAITING TO DIE

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I think they are pointless for most people who are suicidal.
I called one a few years ago but I just felt like I was talking to a robot.
I guess some people feel better for having someone to vent to, but that's about it.
 
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Fimbulvetr

Fimbulvetr

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Nov 7, 2023
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I haven't, but I do talk to my therapist about it sometimes. It's... Uh... It doesn't help, but it doesn't make it worse, either? Just neutral.
 
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Wilsonie_22

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May 8, 2023
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Useless. Felt like talking to GPT3 free trial edition.

May as well use the real GPT4 instead. It's a good way to vent
 
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Celerity

Celerity

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Jan 24, 2021
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Useless. Felt like talking to GPT3 free trial edition.

May as well use the real GPT4 instead. It's a good way to vent
I actually think the bot might be better.

I had the same experience. I felt worse after than I had before.
 
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MonsieurIsDead

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Nov 13, 2023
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I called a few times. The trick, at first, was to never let on about how close or not close you are to CTBing... never tell them how or when, just that you are thinking about it. If they can't figure out any details, they can't intervene. Also, if you can't reassure them that you aren't going to do after you hang up, they will intervene. I was able to call a few times before I got myself into trouble.

The last time I called, I was panicked and I seriously thought today was the day. I told them I was having a really bad day. I did not tell them I thought today was the day, though. I spent 2 hours telling them about how I felt (this was not the first long call like this). I thought I had done a good job letting them know that I was okay, when I hung up. I was leaving on vacation the next day for a week in another country so come on... that's reason enough, I thought. I actually needed to go on the spiritual retreat that week, to try and help me overcome my suicidal thoughts.

The woman on the line called the police. There are 2 reasons she may have felt the need to call that time and not the other times... I used the expression, "shoot myself in the head" while refering to killing myself. I don't plan on executing that method, so to me, it's irrelevant that I use this expression... it just conveyed an image of me dying (I was just trying to make a point). But to her, this could have been an indication of my chosen method... of course, they will want to check if I have a gun. Which is why she might have used this to call the police.

The other thing is that she asked me to promise her that I would not kill myself. For the first time, I was not able to promise. I just had to be truthful, I answered, no one that is considering suicide can promise that. It is scientifically proven that something like 30 % of people try to commit suicide within 5 minutes of deciding to commit suicide. There is a further something like 30 % of people who will do it in the next hour and another 30 % in the next day. So even when people honestly think they will not do it soon... committting suicide has something like 90% chance of happening impulsively. I told her that as a mental health professional, I'm pretty sure she already knows this and that she knows what impulsivity does to a person... when emotions overwhelmed, the brain doesn't fonction. There is no talking yourself out if you are in an impulsive emotional crisis and want to kill yourself.

My choice that morning was to grab the phone. Well, that will never happen again

After that call ended, I thought I was going to make it through the day and make it to my vacation the next day. I also had a few things I wanted to get done, like check out the funeral home where I think my daughter would like my funeral. I went in... I asked if I could get an appointement to discuss arrangements. She put me on the list for 30 minutes later. I went outside and walked around the cemetary.

Then... my phone rings. It is the police calling to check on me. They say the lady from the suicide hotline said they should check up on me because she was worried I might commit suicide today. They asked if they could meet with me. I said, well, I have a meeting at 11h. They ask if I can postpone that and come meet with them. I say okay, fine. And I start to head out to my car. I am walking toward my car with my phone in hand when I see two police officers there, they are waiting for me.

They have tracked my phone and they take me in. It takes a while before they get the proper documents to actually bring me to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation. All the while, I have to wait in the police car. And while I'm waiting, they are breaking into my house. In my house, they see the book "The Final Exit" on my kitchen table. That is enough for them to confirm I am really suicidal and they proceed to search my whole house for a gun.

They do not find one. Luckily, the textbook I currently have and am studying to get my gun licence was in the trunk of my car... The gun method is only my second option. They passed right by my helium tanks and never made the link.

I'm an intelligent person... enough. At the hospital, I talked with the doctor and psychiatrist and both deemed me well enough to go home later that day.

but the whole day was a nightmare.

I am never calling a suicide hotline again.

I had a psychologist to talk to so the next day, I told him about this. Everything was fine. That was last month. Last week, I also had to flush him because he told me that when it become obvious that it is near... he will have to intervene... that is his job, his is bound by law to report a suicidal person who is a danger to himself or herself.

So there it is... my story and my take on suicidal hotlines...

Live and learn. I learned that the police can track your phone and find you anywhere. So if they call you while you are suicidal. Hang up, close your location services and close your phone. I went I bought myself a burner phone. I have close my location services indefinately and do not call the suicide hotline or my psychologist anymore. Killing myself is my right. No one should have the right to take that away from me - but apparently, yes, they have the right to take that away from me.
 
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jatty

jatty

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Nov 13, 2023
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I have called one before and texted a few. I don't mean to be a bummer but they truly don't help well. It feels so scripted and they never know what to say beyond just stating how you feel.

It honestly felt embarrassing. Like, "why did I even bother? I really thought putting out my heart and soul out for a stranger would help, but I all I look like is a mess."

Some say it was neutral, but for me, it was worse. It reinforced the idea inside that I truly am alone, and even if people were available, they aren't able to help me.
Truly, like others have said, an AI would do a better job, wow
 
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AllCatsAreGrey

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Sep 27, 2023
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I've never called a hotline. The closest is calling the emergency number for my therapist's office.

In that episode I almost got a train ticket to my hometown to jump from a bridge there. I left the train station and called. I was crossing a bridge and they asked me about it. They asked if I was going to jump and I said it wasn't high enough. I immediately felt stupid for calling and hung up. They called the police.

Not a good experience.
 
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Wigamoo

Wigamoo

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Oct 11, 2023
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they sent me to the ER
 
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AgainChrisis

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Oct 17, 2023
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I called the original suicide hotline (212 area code) 4-5 times back in October. They don't call anyone no matter how much I discussed CTB. I was in a deep deep state of depression with anxiety and OCD. I subsequently got on medication and now I'm sleeping and eating again. I still ideate when I'm fearing and feeling helpless and hopeless about my situation. I'm still considering CTB. Nitrogen or CO.
 
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F@#$

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Nov 8, 2023
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I've called a couple times. It wasn't helpful at all. A complete waste of time.
I've called a couple times. It wasn't helpful at all. A complete waste of time.
 
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tunnelV

Misanthrope is my religion
Oct 19, 2023
113
I've never called only the chat. I wrote a very long chat in detail. When I sent it, it didn't send and vanished. After I told them I sent it and it failed. They pretended that they recovered it. I never contacted them again. Plus I have a suspicious that a lot of those people who volunteer feed off of people in pain.
 
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Plus I have a suspicious that a lot of those people who volunteer feed off of people in pain.
i dont think they're helpful at all, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame the people who are directly responding. ive heard that they can't do much and they have to send you to the ER. otherwise, they could be held legally accountable for your death. they probably are forced to follow some sort of script. it's a sad system truly, but I believe those who should be held accountable for such a shit system are the higher-ups, not the responders.
 
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UnwillingSavior

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Nov 2, 2023
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Apologies to not answer the question, but I just want to say that I feel so awful for all of you who have attempted to get help via these hotlines only to be sorely disappointed or even traumatized through the experience. I don't know where you all are located so I can't say which country is at fault, but it sounds like (from this thread and others) that this is an international issue. The only conclusion to take from this is that all hotlines are fundamentally flawed and might even be dangerous to use. It is so sad. There is no real care or love that these sources (or at least the leaders of the organizations who provide them/countries they are located in and their laws) have to give you, only to keep you alive at all means necessary, instead of trying to fix the underlying issues.

I hope that you all can find the help you deserve. Thankfully this forum exists, it is a true safe haven.
 
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MatrixPrisoner

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Jul 8, 2023
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Completely fcking useless. The only purpose these incompetent, braindead, poorly-trained NPCs on the phone line do is send the cops to find you if they even remotely perceive that you're going to harm yourself. I can't believe that stupid little rapper kid wrote a song about it a few years back. I don't think he had any idea how useless it is.
 
tunnelV

tunnelV

Misanthrope is my religion
Oct 19, 2023
113
i dont think they're helpful at all, but i wouldn't be so quick to blame the people who are directly responding. ive heard that they can't do much and they have to send you to the ER. otherwise, they could be held legally accountable for your death. they probably are forced to follow some sort of script. it's a sad system truly, but I believe those who should be held accountable for such a shit system are the higher-ups, not the responders.
I wasn't "blaming" anyone I said the type of people who are attracted to doing the work seem to enjoy being around the suffering. Meaning I'm suspicious of them being sadistic.

I have a cousin who's a hateful racist, homophobic narcissist. She also defends her mother. Even though her mother stayed with a man who molested her oldest sister and her best friend. Guess what she's a psychologist went to school for 8 years. I think she wanted the doctor title and she's attracted to hearing people's suffering so she can feel superior.

Maybe one day people will understand joh title doesn't equal decent person. A lot of those therapy type jobs attract people like that. Who else would want to sit around listening that unless they got something parasitic out of it.

Oh yeah and my psychologist family member is deep into the church. Again to feel superior. She's also claimed she's seen demons on people and one looked like a octopus. You might be wondering how someone so insane is in that field. Why wondering jobs don't mean anyone is anything.

It's hard for me to speak to people about these things. Most people honestly believe if someone is working with people in need it means they're nice. You know what else people in need attract and vulnerable people attract predators more than anything.

I tried therapy once when I was younger the therapist was trying to take advantage of me. Explained what I needed that involved touching. He thought because my emotions were unhinged I'd be an easy target. I'm not stupid but these are experiences I've had with these type of workers. Way more are bad then some caring creatures.
 
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AnonymousL

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Apr 5, 2023
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I've been focusing and taking care myself alone, I don't think I ever needed to seek help even if the situation is at the worst.

I'm asking because I don't think I'll never try contacting them, and I am curious if any of you had an experience which helped you afterward or rather the opposite
I did many times.

They mostly talk about why u wanna do it , if ur safe , and then they try to distract u with things you like to do. So you can get through another day.
 
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tunnelV

Misanthrope is my religion
Oct 19, 2023
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I called a few times. The trick, at first, was to never let on about how close or not close you are to CTBing... never tell them how or when, just that you are thinking about it. If they can't figure out any details, they can't intervene. Also, if you can't reassure them that you aren't going to do after you hang up, they will intervene. I was able to call a few times before I got myself into trouble.

The last time I called, I was panicked and I seriously thought today was the day. I told them I was having a really bad day. I did not tell them I thought today was the day, though. I spent 2 hours telling them about how I felt (this was not the first long call like this). I thought I had done a good job letting them know that I was okay, when I hung up. I was leaving on vacation the next day for a week in another country so come on... that's reason enough, I thought. I actually needed to go on the spiritual retreat that week, to try and help me overcome my suicidal thoughts.

The woman on the line called the police. There are 2 reasons she may have felt the need to call that time and not the other times... I used the expression, "shoot myself in the head" while refering to killing myself. I don't plan on executing that method, so to me, it's irrelevant that I use this expression... it just conveyed an image of me dying (I was just trying to make a point). But to her, this could have been an indication of my chosen method... of course, they will want to check if I have a gun. Which is why she might have used this to call the police.

The other thing is that she asked me to promise her that I would not kill myself. For the first time, I was not able to promise. I just had to be truthful, I answered, no one that is considering suicide can promise that. It is scientifically proven that something like 30 % of people try to commit suicide within 5 minutes of deciding to commit suicide. There is a further something like 30 % of people who will do it in the next hour and another 30 % in the next day. So even when people honestly think they will not do it soon... committting suicide has something like 90% chance of happening impulsively. I told her that as a mental health professional, I'm pretty sure she already knows this and that she knows what impulsivity does to a person... when emotions overwhelmed, the brain doesn't fonction. There is no talking yourself out if you are in an impulsive emotional crisis and want to kill yourself.

My choice that morning was to grab the phone. Well, that will never happen again

After that call ended, I thought I was going to make it through the day and make it to my vacation the next day. I also had a few things I wanted to get done, like check out the funeral home where I think my daughter would like my funeral. I went in... I asked if I could get an appointement to discuss arrangements. She put me on the list for 30 minutes later. I went outside and walked around the cemetary.

Then... my phone rings. It is the police calling to check on me. They say the lady from the suicide hotline said they should check up on me because she was worried I might commit suicide today. They asked if they could meet with me. I said, well, I have a meeting at 11h. They ask if I can postpone that and come meet with them. I say okay, fine. And I start to head out to my car. I am walking toward my car with my phone in hand when I see two police officers there, they are waiting for me.

They have tracked my phone and they take me in. It takes a while before they get the proper documents to actually bring me to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation. All the while, I have to wait in the police car. And while I'm waiting, they are breaking into my house. In my house, they see the book "The Final Exit" on my kitchen table. That is enough for them to confirm I am really suicidal and they proceed to search my whole house for a gun.

They do not find one. Luckily, the textbook I currently have and am studying to get my gun licence was in the trunk of my car... The gun method is only my second option. They passed right by my helium tanks and never made the link.

I'm an intelligent person... enough. At the hospital, I talked with the doctor and psychiatrist and both deemed me well enough to go home later that day.

but the whole day was a nightmare.

I am never calling a suicide hotline again.

I had a psychologist to talk to so the next day, I told him about this. Everything was fine. That was last month. Last week, I also had to flush him because he told me that when it become obvious that it is near... he will have to intervene... that is his job, his is bound by law to report a suicidal person who is a danger to himself or herself.

So there it is... my story and my take on suicidal hotlines...

Live and learn. I learned that the police can track your phone and find you anywhere. So if they call you while you are suicidal. Hang up, close your location services and close your phone. I went I bought myself a burner phone. I have close my location services indefinately and do not call the suicide hotline or my psychologist anymore. Killing myself is my right. No one should have the right to take that away from me - but apparently, yes, they have the right to take that away from me.
Nice post.

One thing I'd like to mention , police use to be able to find people so easily before cellphones and there was only landlines. They're awful at it now. I've accidentally pockets dialed the emergency line from my touch screen multiple times.

They will keep sending texts asking for my location. Worst of all, one of the times I called. I had my ex boyfriend pick up and tell them it was an accidentally call. They just said okay and nothing more. He could have been my kidnapper. Probably have pocketed dialed a dozen times between last year and this year. They never could find me. I finally removed that option from my screen. It's pointless if they can't find you and you're kidnapped and your kidnapper can tell them false alarm 🫠

I never would personally mention the word suicide or anything like that on the emergency line. I just tell them I just want to talk. Just in case. I should call one day. I've only chatted once.
 
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sadespair

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I did several times, and you can eventually tell the pattern in the way they talk. It feels so scripted, like you're talking to robots.
 
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penguinl0v3s

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Nov 1, 2023
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Don't use 988, use one of Nozomu's favorite hotlines. Because they don't contact police. I've had good experiences. Of course lots of it feels scripted, but you have to pressure the people on the other end to break character and some of them are less bot-like in the first place.
 
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lessthanperfect

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Mar 30, 2023
132
I used a "Lifeline" online chat once. Talking on the phone stresses me out.

It took like four hours to get through to anyone and then I immediately panicked when someone texted me from the other end because they asked me an open ended question like "how can we help" and I didn't know because that was the reason I was texting them in the first place. I then cried myself to sleep and woke up the next day still feeling horrible but no longer in crisis.

I'm not a good example though because that was my anxiety's fault, but I wouldn't recommend chat sites if you have the option to call unless you're willing to wait 4 hours.
 
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f1f7y8yoL053r

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When I called, by the time I was done, the guy was agreeing with me lol
 
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beelzebul

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Oct 10, 2023
123
i drank bleach and panicked, so i called the hotline. lady asked my name and told me "you'll be fine" in a 'is he serious?' kind of tone and said nothing while i sobbed on the phone with her. then we hung up and that was that.
 
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gu1klh

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Jan 12, 2021
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I've texted and called before. Let me give y'all one useful piece of advice: Never mention that you want to take your life, even if you are about to. It will just cause even more trouble and problems than you already got. Typically, I'd just tell them why I'm not feeling good and what caused it. I'd never mention my suicidal thoughts because I did once, with a therapist and it ended it them calling my parents even though I was like a 12yo who could do nothing. Anyway, my parents then yelled at me and now I'm traumatized. I just learned from my mistakes I guess and I don't recommend talking to anyone. If you really need to, find someone who is actually human, will listen and just let you talk and not try to fix the issue or just say "it will get better" or "don't be sad"
 
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deaddovedonoteat

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Nov 4, 2023
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First time - didn't feel that good, the person on the other side barely knew what to say and I felt like I was talking to a wall (not blaming the person though)

Second time - amazing, made me feel so much better, I talked to a lady that was so sweet and seemed so worried about me, she really listened and made sure I knew she was listening. Was a really great experience and she she made me feel better!
 
IchijouRirika

IchijouRirika

Burial - Untrue
Dec 24, 2023
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Back when I was 17 I thought about doing so, but I didn't liked the idea of going through phone because I was never a fan of speaking and had no privacy. In my country there is a chat option on the suicide hotline but, it never fucking worked for some reason.

And well, after reading Jvne's story with a suicide hotline, I don't think I ever wanna contact one honestly. It sucks but I mean, you're not paying money for it so, you get quality proportional to what you're paying for I guess.
May as well use the real GPT4 instead. It's a good way to vent
I personally use c.ai myself lol, it's pretty good but only down side is that the bots will forget stuff you mentioned a long time ago somehow (and you might get unlucky and have the bots bugging and not answering you)
 
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