BlueWidow

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This is sort of a rant but also just something to inform those of you who don't live in America that guns are not as easy to get here as people in other countries seem to think they are. I've seen a few posts on here where people are talking about some other ctb method and someone else will say something like, " You live in the US don't you? Why don't you just get a gun?". I admit they're probably much easier to get here in the United States than they are in most other countries, but it's not like you can walk down to the store and buy a gun along with your loaf of bread.

If it were that easy I would probably own one.

I grew up in the Midwest where guns were everywhere. My father was an avid hunter and he kept all of his hunting rifles, at least four or five of them, lined up all in a row leaning against the wall when I was growing up. Each one of them was loaded and ready to go. There was no gun safety cabinet, none of that crap. I just knew not to touch his guns and I didn't. He also kept a loaded revolver under a cushion on " his side of the sofa". I spent lots of time alone in the house with all the guns, including when I was a teenager and suicidal. It would've been so easy to just pick one of them up and point it at my head and end everything. I wouldn't have even had to load it, as they were always loaded. My dad always said an unloaded gun is useless. The reason I never did it is because at the time I was obsessed with not making a mess. Even though most of my family treated me like dirt, I never would've wanted to return the favor by having them come in and see my brains splattered all over the wall.

I wish I had taken the advantage of the opportunity when I had it. If I wanted to use a gun now I would have to purchase one myself. Even though I was around guns a lot when I was growing up, I know absolutely nothing about them. I don't know how to fire a gun, or how to load one. The whole subject intimidates me. My dad always promised he would show me how to load the gun and fire it, but that was just one of many promises that he made and never kept.
Even though guns are technically legal in the United States and we supposedly have the second amendment right to own guns and defend ourselves, each state has its own laws. Many states in America make it very hard for you to obtain and own a gun legally. They either have very difficult background check processes, or they make it so costly that it's not financially feasible for many people to own a gun. Also, it's not like you can go to another state where it's easier to get a gun and bring it to a state where it's more difficult to get one because you would most likely get thrown in jail.
I now live in a state where they make it very difficult for you to own a gun. I also must admit that I am afraid of the background check. I don't think they would find anything, but it still kind of bothers me that someone would check into my background about anything. Plus, if they did find my history of mental illness, that would be the end of me being allowed to get a gun. Plus, then I would be on some registry somewhere as a person who is mentally ill and not allowed to own a gun. I don't really like the thought of that.

There is currently a big debate going on about guns in the United States. Many states are enacting what they call Red Flag Laws to prevent "mentally ill people" from getting guns, or if they do own guns, the police can come in legally and take their guns away. All that has to happen is a family member, doctor, or in some cases even a teacher or school administrator calls the police and tells them that you are a threat or that you are mentally ill or something and the police will come and take your guns away with no questions asked. At least that's the way I understand it. Then it's up to you to fight to get your guns back. As more and more states enact these laws I think at some point in the near future it's going to become increasingly difficult to get a gun in the United States, unless you're a criminal. The politicians and the anti-gun people think that taking away people's guns will stop all of these mass shootings. I actually think it would be better to try to get people the help that they need before just coming in and taking their guns away. But politicians like to take people's rights away whenever they can and give themselves more power.

I hope I didn't offend anyone with this thread. That was not my intention. Nor do I intend to start a debate about gun rights. I just wanted to point out that it's not as easy to get a gun as some people might think it is.
 
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Wayfaerer

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Do you have a history of involuntarily being admitted into a psych ward? If no, then you're good to go. Any drug convictions or felonies? If no, then again, you're good to go. The only misdemeanor crime that inhibits you from gun ownership is domestic violence but any felony is a disqualifer. You're correct though when you say some states are harder than others. In a red state, you could buy a gun like a loaf of bread if it wasn't for a short form you have to fill and a background check that takes only a few minutes anyway. In the more blue areas, things get more messy...

I hope gun ownership doesn't become restricted in the future as it's one of the few redeeming factors of living in this shithole.
 
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You didn't offend me and most of your post makes sense. I'm sorry to hear you are in a bad predicament. Like @Wayfaerer said, if you weren't involuntary committed or adjudicated mentally defective (both via a judge/court of law), then you should legally be able to purchase a firearm. He is also right about red states (the more conservative ones and ones with more lax gun laws), you are able to purchase a firearm relatively easy. The only other difficulty that comes into play is the gun store owner's decision (which would be within their own rights) on whether he/she would sell to you. I'd presume most of them would be more than happy to sell to you unless they have reasonable suspicion that you are a prohibited person or would be using it for illegal reasons.

Finally, I too hope that the red flags laws don't come about in the future, but yes, it seems like from the blue states more and more states are enacting more of those preemptive laws, which are not only imho unconstitutional (because it bypasses "due process" and then places the onus (burden of proof) on the gun owner/would be gun owner to prove his/her innocence), but also a big violation of dignity, privacy, and trust.
 
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Do you have a history of involuntarily being admitted into a psych ward? If no, you're good to go. You're correct when you say some states are harder than others. You could buy a gun like a loaf of bread if it wasn't for the background check that takes only a few minutes. In a red state buying a gun is very easy so long as you don't have any felonies or the aforementioned.
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Thanks for replying.
I'm going to assume that when they do the background check it doesn't cross state lines. Meaning they can only check things that have happened in the state that you're in. I'm also going to assume that they don't go back through your entire life. But that's part of the point, I don't know how far back they go and if they do a multi state search or if they only check with the state that you're currently in. I'm currently in Washington state on the west coast. I just moved here last year so I have absolutely no history of anything here.

If they go all the way back through my life, they'll find out that I was in and out of the psych ward many times while I was a teenager in the 1980s.

More recently, I lived in Florida and I have just about no history there, except that 10 years ago in June 2009, I was involuntarily placed in the psychiatric hospital under a law called the Baker Act. Because of the Baker Act, anyone in Florida can call the police and claim that you are mentally unstable or a threat to yourself or something and the police will come and forcibly take you to the hospital whether you need to go or not and they can hold you against your will for up to 72 hours and you have no way to fight back.


So, if the search went back 10 years they would discover that I was Baker Acted.

I know that attempting suicide with a gun is much more certain than some other methods, but it's not foolproof. If you screwed it up it would be really bad. I wish I could just get cancer or something. Yes, yes, I know some cancers are painful, but at this point I'm just about to the place where I don't care how painful it is, I just want out of here.
 
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@BlueWidow, IANAL but based on your post, I'm a bit leery on whether you would be able to obtain a firearm legally. As for background checks, it is the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) and it is nationwide (so not limited to just a particular state). So in other words, if the BG check comes up with some flags such as a involuntary hold or other disqualifying factor, then you would be denied a purchase of a firearm. However, while there is a gun show loop hole, but I would be cautious of that since it's a grey area and you could get into legal trouble if it is proven that you knowingly illegally acquired a firearm as a prohibited person.

Finally, yes you are correct when it comes to using a firearm as a method, there is room for failure if done incorrectly, such as using too weak of a caliber (don't use .22LR, or anything less than a 9mm hollow point (pistols/handguns), 5.56x45mm NATO round (even then it's not as reliable as say a .308 Winchester round) for rifles, 00 Buckshot for shotguns) or aiming at the wrong place. Also, keep in mind that NEVER aim under the chin as you would likely disfigure your face, end up in a lot of pain, and high chance of becoming a vegetable (paralyzed and braindead).
 
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@BlueWidow, IANAL but based on your post, I'm a bit leery on whether you would be able to obtain a firearm legally. As for background checks, it is the NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) and it is nationwide (so not limited to just a particular state). So in other words, if the BG check comes up with some flags such as a involuntary hold or other disqualifying factor, then you would be denied a purchase of a firearm. However, while there is a gun show loop hole, but I would be cautious of that since it's a grey area and you could get into legal trouble if it is proven that you knowingly illegally acquired a firearm as a prohibited person.

Finally, yes you are correct when it comes to using a firearm as a method, there is room for failure if done incorrectly, such as using too weak of a caliber (don't use .22LR, or anything less than a 9mm hollow point (pistols/handguns), 5.56x45mm NATO round (even then it's not as reliable as say a .308 Winchester round) for rifles, 00 Buckshot for shotguns) or aiming at the wrong place. Also, keep in mind that NEVER aim under the chin as you would likely disfigure your face, end up in a lot of pain, and high chance of becoming a vegetable (paralyzed and braindead).
Thanks for the information. I had heard that shooting yourself between the eyes is the best place to do it. Supposedly the way they do it in the movies where they put the gun to the side of their head isn't really that good either. I wish it was as easy to commit suicide in real life as they make it look like it is in the movies.
 
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Thanks for the information. I had heard that shooting yourself between the eyes is the best place to do it. Supposedly the way they do it in the movies where they put the gun to the side of their head isn't really that good either. I wish it was as easy to commit suicide in real life as they make it look like it is in the movies.
Between the eyes, I wouldn't really trust that as much as through the mouth, close to the brainstem. This is because the forehead and skull is stronger than someone's gum and flesh. Furthermore, in through the mouth means the bullet would have less hard material (bone) to penetrate to reach the brainstem than the forehead.
 
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Well said.

Politicians don't want to address the real causes of violence, and instead want to seize the opportunity to take away even more of people's rights. It's pathetic.
 
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There are many gun conventions where one could find someone who deals under the table. A sawed off shotgun would be ideal for cbt and I'd wager it would be easy to find someone who has one to sell.
 
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The government is trying fiercely to disarm the citizens so u can't protect yourself from dangerous people or government, this is how it's possible to round people up and send them to concentration camps if u are a dissident or u won't comply with restrictions on your freedom. It's a scary time in history and I'm hoping they never succeed. Not to scare the crap out of everyone sorry.
 
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Yeah... Depends on who you know. Gaffney South Carolina (one of the highest crime rates in the state google it)
I can go to a gas station and talk to a guy and within 30 minutes have a pistol in my hand. Legally depending on an individuals circumstances owning a firearm can be difficult, but shit go to ANY major city and roll through the hood you can get anything from a .22 to a custom AK47 depending on how much you're willing to pay. You have to play the game sometimes to get what you want, bring your controller
I got a 20 gauge moss berg, 12 gauge moss berg, .45 Kimber Raptor Replica (ghost fun has fake vin), .40 smith and Wesson (again fake vin it's a handmade replica), .38 special also smith and Wesson, Ruger .30-06, 4 different 9 mm's 2 of which I paid $1000+ to have made
Many criminals get away with ghost guns. They are handmade here or overseas and sold for almost double the price of the gun they are made to replicate. Why go that far? Simple: "No officer, I don't own a 9mm pistol, as you can clearly see from my purchases and owning history" meanwhile I bought it off the street and who knows killed some folk (I didn't)
It ain't hard mate
Go somewhere where heavy drugs are dealt and ask if that person knows a guy who can get you a gun, give him a tip and he'll get you a what you need but don't short him...
I've seen a dude get stabbed to death in prison over $3 in commissary (2 honeybuns and 2 packs of m&ms) do NOT take these people lightly. Show respect you will get it, most of the time. Act weak you will be treated as such. Act like you have a spine you will be respected

Why own a ghost gun?

Because if I deem it fit to end something, I ain't doing life, that's why. Life ain't fair, don't expect someone to ever confront you in a fair manner. People pop others with replicas all the time you just never hear it on the news. Google "how many unsolved murders are there in the United States" and prepare to get terrified

Bottom line it ain't hard to get a gun, you just have to walk up to certain individuals with cash and you can get one. No papers mo signature, just cash. Old school
By the way in the DIRTY SOUTH, they sell guns at mom and pop hardware stores. Come to the south
Bam! Get your shit right get a ghost gun
 

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The government is trying fiercely to disarm the citizens so u can't protect yourself from dangerous people or government, this is how it's possible to round people up and send them to concentration camps if u are a dissident or u won't comply with restrictions on your freedom. It's a scary time in history and I'm hoping they never succeed. Not to scare the crap out of everyone sorry.

I agree with you. I am scared for the future. I feel very bad for all the young people who will have to deal with this for their whole lives.
Just today the governor of California signed a law which will take affect on January 1st of next year that will make it legal for coworkers, employers, or teachers to request a persons guns be taken away by force.
So, imagine you have a coworker that doesn't like you. Now he can request that you have your guns taken away for no reason at all. I know I sound like some kind of a gun nut, but I'm really not. I don't own a gun myself, but it irritates me when the government thinks they can take people's rights away. I should have the right to protect myself and defend myself anyway that I choose. The government is trying to take that right away from me.
What am I supposed to do. . . Trust the government to protect me? Anyone who trust the government, no matter which party is in power, is an idiot in my opinion. The government is only there to take things away from you and give more power and more of your tax money to themselves.
 
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I agree with you. I am scared for the future. I feel very bad for all the young people who will have to deal with this for their whole lives.
 
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Thanks for posting this video. I'm going to check out this guy's books and podcasts.
 

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