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PDAnnie2610

Waiting for my bus.
Oct 27, 2019
701
Does anyone here struggle with guilt over causing trauma (namely to other strangers ) by committing suicide and having them deal with finding out our death?

How do we move forward to deal with these complex emotions?
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
43,290
The way I see it, I will not be alive at that point so I will be incapable of feeling anything. Also we have the right to exit at a time of our own choosing anyway.
 
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forgotten15

Specialist
Aug 24, 2021
332
Of course i feel bad thinking about the trauma I will cause to family members if I ctb, but my pain is bigger than that thought so to be honest it is definitely not something that will stop me or be too much on my mind.
 
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tatumtots

Member
Dec 10, 2021
16
I plan on leaving a note for first responders saying "I'm sorry and please don't feel bad you couldn't save me". My aunt found my uncle after he caught ctb and my intentions have never been to hurt another person. I also want to ctb in a way that preserves my organs so they can be donated and that helps outweighs the guilt
 
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Smart No More

Visionary
May 5, 2021
2,734
I think it's right mitigate the impact on other as much as possible. Some people feel no responsibility on the matter claiming that it won't effect them as they're going to be gone so 'who cares'. I find it's very selfish stance however it is also understandable that there's a levwl of sufferinf that exceeds even the most ingrained of values we hold ourselves to. Under those circumstances, in the worst and most overwhelming state of pain and suffering it is understandable that capacity for consideration of others is reduced and the need to escape takes over all else. That said, those people in that situation are unlikely to be posting about how little they care about thwir actions impacting others. So take from that what you will.

As previously stated, I do think we should attempt to consider and avoid hurting others in our actions no matter what our act is. I think its important to note, (particularly for those that hold theirselves to a high morale code) that people die, accidentally, natural and at their own hands. Therefore there is only so much blame you can put on yourself. I guess attempting to leave a body as presentable (not gruesome etc) as possible with some kind of forewarning in whatever form seen fit is good. Then there's who finds you. If you have conteol over this you might like to choose somebody unrelated or a stranger from a profession that would include training for these things.

For a little context.... An elderly lady in her 80's walked into a shopping store that she frequently used. As she used the stationary section she suffered a massive heart attack and fell to the floor. Up until this moment she seemed fine. The store manager came to assist her and medics were called. There were shoppers around, children ans adults as well as the other staff. Many people witnessed her death. Whilst she did have heart issues there was no telling when this would happen and it would have been as much a shock to her as everyone else. As far as anybody know, nobody left the store that day with lasting damage. Maybe a story to tell but nothing more. The lady was a relative of mine.

Similarly as a young child I saw 3 deaths I believe. Although I can't say they didn't receive successful treatment afterwards. As far as I could tell they were all dead on the scene. One was a guy on a moped in spain that got hit by a bus as he drove erratically out in front of it. We viewed it feom our overlooking balcony. As did many other people as well as all those on the beace that was directly opposite the hotel. There was a lot of blood pouring from the guys helmet and they were putting sawdust down to soak it up. His girlfriend/friend/sister was screaming and crying histerically. I think she may have been the worst effected by it all. The second death I witnessed was a seemingly drunk man crossing the road between a pub and a playground. I was on the playground with family and friends. We heard a loud bang and saw the pedestrian around 8ft+ up in the air. Oddly the car that hit him sent him flying straight upwards. He land behind the car in the road as the car passed. My family shielded my eyes but it made no difference to me if I saw it or not. I still remember it however its not a scared memory. Simply just a memory. The third death I witnessed was a man in the street in a crowded town/city. I was heading out to skate and passed him near a buss stop. Initially I though maybe he was mentally unwell, drunk, overdosed.... truth is I don't know. He was so very pale that his skin appeared almost transparent. Nobody was doing anything and he was moving so was not dead there and then. However the sounds he made and the look of him told me instinctively something was terrible/mortaly wrong. I couldn't understand why nobody was doing anything and I forget if I called the paramedics or asked somebody else to but they did arrive pretty quickly. I have vague memories of them using the paddles on him in attempts to resuscitate him. Memory plays tricks on us so I don't trust it enough to say anything more as fact however I do know there were many people around, commuters, shoppers, shops and their workers, traffic and the drivers. Honestly nobody seemed phased. It was Birmingham England..

None of these impacted me negatively in any significant way although I felt compassion towards them. What probably bothered me more was the lack of response in others.

So I guess where I'm going is that people die. For whatever reason. And it seems that people have generally made their peace with it as long as its not them or their immediate family or friends. I think its possibly a human coping mechanism perhaps. I'm not sure. I just think most people arw happy it's not them and get on with their busy days which provide so much distraction that they essentially forget to feel much of anything. As long as the scene isn't gruesome and smelly and they can call the nessecary number to get a professional out to handle it with minimal contact I don't think it's likely to be especially truamatising. Of course some are more sensitive than others but as long as they weren't forced to be a party in the demise of the cadaver it's basically a story to tell and a bit of weird day. They may never know how you died and assume natural circumstances. I suspect a murder would be harder to witness than a suicide too. Because that leaves a killer at large and instinct would be to question their safety.

God, I'm. Meandering around the houses, I know. I struggle terribly with my writing/composition due to cognitive issues from illness. Hopefully I've managed to do my thoughts on this, justice in their translation to text.

Put as simply as I can. I think people witness deaths of all sorts and probably more often than we imagine. They often may never know what caused the death. I think humans have an instinctual ability to distance themselves from the worst aspects of finding/witnessing morbidity as a coping mechanism. The less emotional attachment they have with the deceased the more successful the instinct. Think about the deaths in documentarys where you are warmed to the victim before being talked through their harrowing end. It touches you quite deeply but you can be elbow deep in the nachos when the next show starts. Hopefully this is useful info in adding context to our thoughts on the matters surrounding our fears on negatively impacting others with our ctb.
 
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*Psyche*

*Psyche*

Someday, I hope to see you in the light.
Dec 10, 2021
57
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My bff ctb by train. I'm sure she wouldn't have wanted it to be on the news, but it made headlines. She left a note for the conductor... I doubt it made him feel better after finding the ruins of her remains. To add insult to injury, I made the fabulous choice to go see where she passed. Didn't stop to think the first responders/coroner can't possibly collect everything. Yup. I saw stuff. Caused PTSD.

I say, IMO, if you can do it privately, or semi-privately, please do so. If/when I do ctb, my plan includes specifics on how to least traumatize anyone who finds me.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,392
The way I see it, I already cause too much trauma to innocent people simply by existing so the trauma from me dying would overall be worth it because it would prevent a few more decades of me making the world a worse place for many people.
 
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Crazy4u

Crazy4u

Enlightened
Sep 29, 2021
1,318
No. I plan to shoot myself inside my car and have internal covers or curtains installed so noone can see me. I will most likely drive to an isolated area to do it
 
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thefoodispoison

Student
Oct 14, 2021
108
If you truly need to ctb to end your suffering, while it's true you won't be around to suffer any longer, I think it is kind to do as much as you can to comfort the loved ones you leave behind. In a way, planning your death means that you can... plan for it, you know? And take whatever steps feel appropriate toward your friends and family.

Some ways that might ease the blow would be: making it appear as an accident; leaving a note or video to tell them how much you love them and know they loved you, but that the need to end your suffering was too great; designating some of your belongings to be given to specific people; cleaning up and getting rid of belongings that wouldn't have significance before you ctb so people don't have to sift through them wracked with guilt over what to keep; choosing a method that doesn't leave your body gruesome or unrecoverable.

This list is not exhaustive, obviously. And might differ from person to person. But I think doing what you can to be kind is appropriate.
 
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stellabelle

ethereal
Dec 14, 2018
3,918
Does anyone here struggle with guilt over causing trauma (namely to other strangers ) by committing suicide and having them deal with finding out our death?

How do we move forward to deal with these complex emotions?
This sounds like shit, while I DO discourage it, I WILL say that regardless even if a person dies of age or medical conditions, someone will still be the one who discovers.
 
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PDAnnie2610

Waiting for my bus.
Oct 27, 2019
701
I plan on leaving a note for first responders saying "I'm sorry and please don't feel bad you couldn't save me". My aunt found my uncle after he caught ctb and my intentions have never been to hurt another person. I also want to ctb in a way that preserves my organs so they can be donated and that helps outweighs the guilt
That is noble but very tricky to ctb though.
 
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SuicidallyCurious

Enlightened
Dec 20, 2020
1,715
They just have to Deal with it.
 
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PDAnnie2610

Waiting for my bus.
Oct 27, 2019
701
TW:

My bff ctb by train. I'm sure she wouldn't have wanted it to be on the news, but it made headlines. She left a note for the conductor... I doubt it made him feel better after finding the ruins of her remains. To add insult to injury, I made the fabulous choice to go see where she passed. Didn't stop to think the first responders/coroner can't possibly collect everything. Yup. I saw stuff. Caused PTSD.

I say, IMO, if you can do it privately, or semi-privately, please do so. If/when I do ctb, my plan includes specifics on how to least traumatize anyone who finds me.
I've concerns towards causing those who find my body PTSD, to be honest. But I don't think I can ctb without causing that. It's not that I can't afford a hotel but I feel really bad about causing the room attendant that trauma of finding my dead body.

I'm pretty sure there's a few that shares similar views...
 
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Smart No More

Visionary
May 5, 2021
2,734
I've concerns towards causing those who find my body PTSD, to be honest. But I don't think I can ctb without causing that. It's not that I can't afford a hotel but I feel really bad about causing the room attendant that trauma of finding my dead body.

I'm pretty sure there's a few that shares similar views...


I think hotel staff are trained and prepared for finding dead people. It must happen naturally very often. The way they die is of no consequence unless they died a gruesome way leaving a nasty crime scene. Some opt to use airbnb instead and leave a note somewhere that will allow them to call the police or emergency services and not have to see anything. Some people send delayed emails to various relevant sources in order to minimise or completely avoid being seen by anyone that wouldn't handle it well.

It's just crossed my mind that maybe my family would like to see my body. Sounds odd I know but bare with me......Dying and essentially disappearing from their lives is going to be tough of course. Having never had a last chance to hug or even cry/mourn over the body could leave scars of its own kind. I suppose there's a fine line to be drawn between being found and the shock of it and having a final chance to say goodbye. I suppose they get that chance at a morgue when identifying the body. Maybe ignore me on this.... I'm thinking out loud and not yet sure of my opinion.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
5,051
We are not being offered any perfect solutions, like proper euthanasia in a hospital environment, so it becomes a question of minimising harm instead.

To CTB at home where police would find the body is probably the number 1 most ethical way to go, especially if they are contacted via a timely delayed message and decomposition has been minimal. Even then, some people don't like the idea of occupying a house in which someone has CTB-ed.
 
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*Psyche*

Someday, I hope to see you in the light.
Dec 10, 2021
57
No. I plan to shoot myself inside my car and have internal covers or curtains installed so noone can see me. I will most likely drive to an isolated area to do it
Saw a movie once where main character placed a burlap sack over his head to minimize visibility. One of my choice methods of ctb is similar to yours. It includes a head covering of some kind. Maybe worth thinking about?
Peace be with you in your decision.
 
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demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
1,383
So I guess where I'm going is that people die. For whatever reason. And it seems that people have generally made their peace with it as long as its not them or their immediate family or friends. I think its possibly a human coping mechanism perhaps. I'm not sure. I just think most people arw happy it's not them and get on with their busy days which provide so much distraction that they essentially forget to feel much of anything. As long as the scene isn't gruesome and smelly and they can call the nessecary number to get a professional out to handle it with minimal contact I don't think it's likely to be especially truamatising. Of course some are more sensitive than others but as long as they weren't forced to be a party in the demise of the cadaver it's basically a story to tell and a bit of weird day. They may never know how you died and assume natural circumstances. I suspect a murder would be harder to witness than a suicide too. Because that leaves a killer at large and instinct would be to question their safety.
I agree with this.

Strangers are not likely to be affected if it isn't a death that occurs gruesome manner. It may shock some people for a while, but it will probably not leave lasting effects if they didn't know the person at all. If it is likely to be gruesome, I think it's best to minimize the amount of people who would witness it, either as it occurs or afterwards.

I plan to find some place out in the woods or somewhere. My body is not likely to look anymore disturbing than someone who has died in their sleep. I don't care who finds me as long as it isn't my mom.
 
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Mashedout

Student
Nov 25, 2020
126
No one is innocent in this world. We've all had to kill countless other life forms just to make it to this moment. Why were their lives worth less than our own? Most people don't even care about this of give it a second thought.
 
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Niko66

Specialist
Dec 6, 2021
353
I mainly would feel bad about my mother, despite how I talk about her constant abuse and manipulation to me growing up, it came from a place of mental illness, I both hate and love her. For a couple of decades her life's main purpose was to take care of me and my sibling, even if it was her responsibility, a single mom, with mental illness and in poverty had it really rough, it feels horrible to kill myself after someone has put so much effort and sacrifice because they have hopes for me and want me to succeed. I know it would crush her. That's the main thing stopping me from CTB. I think I would have to be extremely desperate and numb enough to be able to get over those feelings to do it. My dad has been absent most of my life, nor has he put 1/10th of the effort towards me, I try to live by the idea of fair giving and taking, I don't feel I owe him anything the way I owe mom the effort to try and succeed.

For strangers I couldn't care less, I am not planning anything violent or involving others. Someone's gonna find the cold body of a stranger in the forest. I don't think that'd be very traumatizing at all.
 
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koweday

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Dec 10, 2021
21
My friend ctb two years ago. He sent a timed email to the local police with his plan details and location to ensure they'd be the ones to find him and they'd be prepared for a body. The email was timed so he could cancel it in case the attempt wasn't successful. I have always thought this was a beautiful show of consideration for others, and it's definitely what I will do when my time comes.
 
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PDAnnie2610

Waiting for my bus.
Oct 27, 2019
701
My friend ctb two years ago. He sent a timed email to the local police with his plan details and location to ensure they'd be the ones to find him and they'd be prepared for a body. The email was timed so he could cancel it in case the attempt wasn't successful. I have always thought this was a beautiful show of consideration for others, and it's definitely what I will do when my time comes.
Thanks for sharing. It's something I'll look into for myself. Anything to be considerate to others..
 
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Crazy4u

Enlightened
Sep 29, 2021
1,318
Saw a movie once where main character placed a burlap sack over his head to minimize visibility. One of my choice methods of ctb is similar to yours. It includes a head covering of some kind. Maybe worth thinking about?
Peace be with you in your decision.
Your method is more peaceful and I like it. I worry about success rate. I heard that for every successful attempt, there are 25 unsuccessful ones.
 

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