Discussion guaranteed quick death

[Idorus]

I don't know whether that was a conscious move out.....

... or - and this might make the huge difference - that it was a JUMP or not .. I mean, my guess is that most just JUMP in front of a train but not that they lay their head on the most appropriate part of the rails... nah?

 

[Idorus]

I honestly wouldn't even consider these methods if N was an option. There are ways to work with the taste problem; one could taste it and then make something similar to it and experiment and get used to swallowing extremely bitter or unpleasant liquids. Way safer than the alternatives you've listed imo.

Forgive me for speaking out loud the assocation I now get with Rachel74. This member fully trusted and loved by about everyone on this board turned out to be a scammer and got many crazy to buy from her without anything in return. The first thing I recalled when hearing about Rachel being a scammer was her offensive and insulting behaviour to the ones discussing/interested-in "ctb per train" pretending she had so much empathy with the train driver. All her posts were calculated to scam as many members as possible. And worse: she was a leading force on this board.

 

[dioxide]

What can go wrong with neck on the railroad? I'm genuinely curious....


I think it's as instant as the guillotine, nah?

Physics can go wrong. And is my specialty (i'm engineer) The train driver may act instant brake.. a braking wheel, may transform the impact from a edge cutting operation into a strong shock wave (like a strong hit) and the person trying to ctb, will find himself thrown in a side of the train, with the neck half ripped and some other part of the body (legs, hands) partially or totally chopped, in total agony and possibly surviving. Hard to say in what percentage it may happen.. 10%? 5%? Still enough to a fail and to not make the method reliable.

In my country a guy jumped in the rail of the underground.. a next generation vector came across, and it was able to brake in 5 meters. The man survived 100% with only a broken foot by the fall of his jump.

If somone is looking for a chopping method, instead of a guillutine or a train, if he affort something like $10.000, can purchase a paper cutting machine, used in typhograpy.

 

[Idorus]

That is a very interesting device @dioxide. Does that first part in which the paper goes (dunno what exactly happens there) also belong to the entire cutting machine (so to the 10.000) or can we separate it? (thinking 'bout lack-of-space also).
Would seem like the perfect guillotine and I assume it hasn't any problems with cutting a neck as well. Not even if one got a cage in it during cervical fusion surgery I may hope?

Wow about the brake in 5 meters. Thanks for the info!

 

[Egddios]

If I owned my own house, I might build a guillotine for my exit. Death would be certain if built correctly. Death would be quick. Death would be painless it seems. Would you use one?

Hell yes I would use one.

A guy in England did that. If I were not completely useless at building contraptions, I would, too.

Same.

I failed woodshop, couldn't make a birdhouse.

 

[dioxide]

That is a very interesting device @dioxide. Does that first part in which the paper goes (dunno what exactly happens there) also belong to the entire cutting machine (so to the 10.000) or can we separate it? (thinking 'bout lack-of-space also).
Would seem like the perfect guillotine and I assume it hasn't any problems with cutting a neck as well. Not even if one got a cage in it during cervical fusion surgery I may hope?

Wow about the brake in 5 meters. Thanks for the info!

Those are two separated machines, one for column and measurement, and another just for cutting.

There are several hydraulic cutting machines, for paper, for food, for packages, for tubes, for wood and for other stuff.

Also hydraulic press exists that may literally crush a head (yeah that would be painful, but a matter of seconds)



I guess there is a catalog somewhere for that, also they manage several kind of thickness and chopping method.

I know for sure all this machines have a security device for avoid people chopping their hands, but i think that can be easily bypassed sticking some buttons, for example i know that paper cutting machines need to be activated pressing two buttons with both hands, just to keep the hands away from the blade.

But i guess, this are details.

 

[Idorus]

Also hydraulic press exists that may literally crush your head (yeah that would be painful, but a matter of seconds)

Wow! Well THAT would be my nr 1, the brain being crushed in a second (or 2 or... 3?)! Watching that video now... if you have more ideas I'm open...

 

[Rolo]

If I was wealthy enough to own my own house, I could probably afford a trip to Mexico and buy my own nembutal. But then again: I already have my own nembutal. Does that mean I get a free house?

But how do you know it's real N?

 

[dedalus1238900]

There were actual cases in France during the french revolution that failed that had been used successfully before. The executioner made a small mistake with positioning, blade wasn't sharp enough so you are in pain with a large cut not enough to kill you but now you wait for them to sharpen/switch blades or get a better one while you are waiting.

My favorite was a noble or King or something that had a rather large neck from unhealthy eating and they could not get it to work because he had too much neck fat. They tried 5 times or something and I can't remember if it finally worked or they gave up and he was just shot or something.

My First Choice within the immediate blast zone of a nuclear bomb, asteroid, solar flare, like in Hiroshima just your silhouette against an ash covered.wall. No pain, worry, just gone. Probably not going to happen but if you had a choice and anything possible.

 

[Pan]

I know that I simply must die but am simultaneously terrified of it. If, for example, I consider hanging myself in the cellar, would my tenant know? She is the only person I know of who would miss me. With my wife's death last year, I lost the best friend I ever had...

 

[RainAndSadness]

But how do you know it's real N?

Because I ordered from A over a year ago, when he was still confirmed as reliable and trustworthy.

 

[a.h]

I ain't here for moral issues, it's hard enough to find a reliable instant painless death so I leave the moraility for another thread and up to those who want to discuss it. Stay to the method facts please.

I am sure that Peacefull Pill book methods are painless. Some people working in euthanasia organisations have seen several people ctb with these methods.

 

[Rdc]

If you have the balls you could use a car and rope to decapitate yourself.

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[dioxide]

My First Choice within the immediate blast zone of a nuclear bomb, asteroid, solar flare, like in Hiroshima just your silhouette against an ash covered.wall. No pain, worry, just gone. Probably not going to happen but if you had a choice and anything possible.

You lift an extremely interesting philosophy matter. There is a theory, not absolutely religious and not even absolutely scientific, let's say that is 50/50 for each.
So it goes into the metascience.
Have you ever heard of the "28 grams" theory? Well, it says that when somone die, the soul leave the body and goes somewhere.
In a new life or in some different time or space, is still matter of several hypotesis.

The point is this, if this soul have this "28 grams" mass, it has somewhat matter made of atoms. The fact that someone cant see the soul it is not relevant, there are several stuff in the world that human eye cant see but they have a mass, atoms and molecules. Starting from gases, to serveral kind of particles, also wind and waves, even sound waves and radio waves, have a mass.

The point is this, a nuclear explosion tend to destroy atoms and molecules due to an energetic chain reaction, so there is a possibility (of course if such things are real, theoretic and if you believe them) that being exposed to a such reaction, may destroy not only the body but also the soul.

So it would be a definitive switch to the non-existence, and the opportunity to get back in a new decent life or in a future with more advanced lifestyle or even reaching another dimension, can be definitivaly locked out.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

If I owned my own house, I might build a guillotine for my exit. Death would be certain if built correctly. Death would be quick. Death would be painless it seems. Would you use one?

I have had this exact thought occur to me. It would certainty be quick and effective as long as it was built correctly. My only issues with these violent methods, is what the person who finds you will have to endure the rest of their lives.

 

[MeltingHeart]

15th January 2003
Horror as man uses guillotine to commit suicide.

Horror as man uses guillotine to commit suicide

A shocked father discovered his son had beheaded himself with a home-made guillotine he had secretly erected in his bedroom.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

jezuz...i feel sorry for his dad walking in on that scene! the planning that must have gone into that is insane, poor lad.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

jezuz...i feel sorry for his dad walking in on that scene! the planning that must have gone into that is insane, poor lad.

Crazy but maybe he did it to die in his sleep?(!)

You could even randomize it with a chance of 1/365 for each night and then get used to sleeping beneath it lol

 

[voyager]

Physics can go wrong...

I think people tend to discard trains for morale reasons rather than them not being effective. But for argument's sake, a decently fast train should obliterate anyone jumping in front of it and likewise will decapitate anyone lying under it, even at slow speeds. The only exceptions I can imagine here being down to the individual situation, i.e. the type of train/pilot, getting caught by the life-guards at really low speeds and obviously the human factor. Overall though, a squishy person should be no match for the momentum of a train.

But let's not derail () this thread, because this thread's about guillotines and I absolutely love the idea. I actually feared people would laught at this, but I too have thought about it and here's why I'm so fond of it:

I was thinking about it too, I'd definitely use it if I could, even if my brain would stay alive for some moment, at least there would be no failure, no reviving, no going back.

Doctors would try to stitch you back together if they had the means. It's a good thing they're not all powerful...

You can combine it with a timer. A system that releases the guillotine blade with a timer. You fall asleep with benzos and you never wake up again...

Exactly, with this method there's simply no resuscitation, no brain damage or ward to be afraid of. This is huge, because it scares most of us immensely. Also, you can indeed die in your sleep, likewise very comforting to many of us. Personally though, I actually prefer the fact that it can be instantaneous, too, if one so chooses. This means no delay for one's ctb method to work, nor to be found and no contemplation either. It's probably smarter to contemplate one's ctb before going through with it anyway, not once your only means of getting out of it is by calling emergency services with all the dire consequences attached to it.

Living brain...

For a long time beheading was a means of execution for people of higher stature or seen as an act of leniency, so it can't be that bad. Nevertheless, I too have heard that one's head is still alive after decapitation, even if only for a short while, but I'd imagine this to be similar to suspension hanging. One should pass out within 15 seconds at the most. But it might very well be extremely weird and more painful due to massive damage to the neck, but again, a fairly short pain.

Overall I don't think it should be too hard to build a guillotine, because it's basically pre-industrial tech to do industrial killing. One can also test it thoroughly and risk-free until one is satisfied with the results. In fact, in this regard it pretty much tops most other methods.

The only real problem I see is the blade. Like most of us I have no metalworking experience and wouldn't know where to start. After all, it's not like you can order these things online. Although I suppose one could have a custom door or window panel/grating made, cut down an old stove etc. Really though I'm a brute, because the best thing I've come up with is two meat cleavers opposing each other with a counterweight. Bottom line though, unless I had 100% faith in my contraption I'd go head up, at least this way I'll sever the throat and won't be a quadriplegic.

But I'm rambling and for the present it's just a mind exercise anyway. I don't live alone and I'm in limbo concerning my mum.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Pan]

After reading so many of these postings, I realize that most of you live with others...I live alone (my dear wife died a year ago). Apart from my tenant who lives above me, I could easily get away, I presume, with full suspension by hanging myself in the basement. I have 270 plus 1 mg. of Xanax. Combined with full suspension, would you consider that sufficient? I also thought of drowning myself in bathtub with Xanax. Would that insure death?

 

[a.h]

I think people tend to discard trains for morale reasons rather than them not being effective. But for argument's sake, a decently fast train should obliterate anyone jumping in front of it and likewise will decapitate anyone lying under it, even at slow speeds. The only exceptions I can imagine here being down to the individual situation, i.e. the type of train/pilot, getting caught by the life-guards at really low speeds and obviously the human factor. Overall though, a squishy person should be no match for the momentum of a train.

But let's not derail () this thread, because this thread's about guillotines and I absolutely love the idea. I actually feared people would laught at this, but I too have thought about it and here's why I'm so fond of it:





Exactly, with this method there's simply no resuscitation, no brain damage or ward to be afraid of. This is huge, because it scares most of us immensely. Also, you can indeed die in your sleep, likewise very comforting to many of us. Personally though, I actually prefer the fact that it can be instantaneous, too, if one so chooses. This means no delay for one's ctb method to work, nor to be found and no contemplation either. It's probably smarter to contemplate one's ctb before going through with it anyway, not once your only means of getting out of it is by calling emergency services with all the dire consequences attached to it.



For a long time beheading was a means of execution for people of higher stature or seen as an act of leniency, so it can't be that bad. Nevertheless, I too have heard that one's head is still alive after decapitation, even if only for a short while, but I'd imagine this to be similar to suspension hanging. One should pass out within 15 seconds at the most. But it might very well be extremely weird and more painful due to massive damage to the neck, but again, a fairly short pain.

Overall I don't think it should be too hard to build a guillotine, because it's basically pre-industrial tech to do industrial killing. One can also test it thoroughly and risk-free until one is satisfied with the results. In fact, in this regard it pretty much tops most other methods.

The only real problem I see is the blade. Like most of us I have no metalworking experience and wouldn't know where to start. After all, it's not like you can order these things online. Although I suppose one could have a custom door or window panel/grating made, cut down an old stove etc. Really though I'm a brute, because the best thing I've come up with is two meat cleavers opposing each other with a counterweight. Bottom line though, unless I had 100% faith in my contraption I'd go head up, at least this way I'll sever the throat and won't be a quadriplegic.

But I'm rambling and for the present it's just a mind exercise anyway. I don't live alone and I'm in limbo concerning my mum.

Thanks for reading.

I believe that there was no pain from those executions when done right. But the act itself sounds terrible and how it was made in public. Wasn't it made to scare people from braking any laws?

I went to dentist once to get root canal work to tooth after accident. The nerves were alive and it hurt badly daily. But he refused to believe it and give any sedation etc. to it before the operation even I pleaded for it many times. He poked it once and I started immediately to shake hard and would surely have blacked out from the shock if he would have kept going. So I bet that the people would go to shock and become unconscious right away from that.

 

[voyager]

I believe that there was no pain from those executions when done right. But the act itself sounds terrible and how it was made in public. Wasn't it made to scare people from braking any laws?

I went to dentist once to get root canal work to tooth after accident. The nerves were alive and it hurt badly daily. But he refused to believe it and give any sedation etc. to it before the operation even I pleaded for it many times. He poked it once and I started immediately to shake hard and would surely have blacked out from the shock if he would have kept going. So I bet that the people would go to shock and become unconscious right away from that.

Yes, in general capital punishment was always seen as a spectacle, deterrent or a method to discipline the people. But in medieval times there were plenty of ways to get executed like being burnt alive, drowned, immured, hanged, drawn and quatered etc.. So having your sentence commuted to beheading was seen as an act of clemency, a pardon. The Japanese did the same when committing suicide, first stabbing themselves in the stomach upwards, then being relieved by a second through beheading. But yeah, it's definitely gruesome and not the way to be found by the average citizen, let alone a loved one.

I totally feel you on the root canal work. I suffered from that too for several days and a weekend. All I could think of was the pain. It was like someone was tearing my gums with a fishing hook and hanging an anvil to them. Couldn't even sleep due to the pain. Awful.

 

[a.h]

After reading so many of these postings, I realize that most of you live with others...I live alone (my dear wife died a year ago). Apart from my tenant who lives above me, I could easily get away, I presume, with full suspension by hanging myself in the basement. I have 270 plus 1 mg. of Xanax. Combined with full suspension, would you consider that sufficient? I also thought of drowning myself in bathtub with Xanax. Would that insure death?

I feel for you and understand your pain. Loosing and missing person that close is the worst pain and pain killers won't work for it. And seeing dreams and loosing that person all over again and again can be torture.

I hope you still have people to open up to. At least you have us here. And there are others here who have lost the most important person of their life who can understand you.
I think most of us here live alone.

I can't answer your question. Maybe someone else can. I believe that ways in Peacefull Pill book are fast and painless. Some are used regularly in animal euthanasia also.

Yes, in general capital punishment was always seen as a spectacle, deterrent or a method to discipline the people. But in medieval times there were plenty of ways to get executed like being burnt alive, drowned, immured, hanged, drawn and quatered etc.. So having your sentence commuted to beheading was seen as an act of clemency, a pardon. The Japanese did the same when committing suicide, first stabbing themselves in the stomach upwards, then being relieved by a second through beheading. But yeah, it's definitely gruesome and not the way to be found by the average citizen, let alone a loved one.

I totally feel you on the root canal work. I suffered from that too for several days and a weekend. All I could think of was the pain. It was like someone was tearing my gums with a fishing hook and hanging an anvil to them. Couldn't even sleep due to the pain. Awful.

At least I know that people go to shock in seconds when there is very bad pain like modern medicine says. And from accidents I know that adrenaline and the hormones takes away the bad pain really fast.

Nature is kind that way. Still I feel pain when reading about human and animal rights violations and stay up all night. But reading them made me want to help them.

 

[LittleJem]

You can combine it with a timer. A system that releases the guillotine blade with a timer. You fall asleep with benzos and you never wake up again. Also if can you find a general anesthetic (ketamine, thiopental sodium, etomidate, propofol, midazolam) this could be %100 peaceful. All you need is an IV)

Finding general anesthetic medication is easier than finding nembutal. You can probably get one of these drugs from drug dealers. The prices are cheap.

Sign me up

 

[Yakamoz]

If I was wealthy enough to own my own house, I could probably afford a trip to Mexico and buy my own nembutal. But then again: I already have my own nembutal. Does that mean I get a free house?

is it still with you?

 

[Banshee]

I would not! Ive heard the brain lives on and I'm not for that.

I've passed out twice by foolishly not planning and using worn out belts that have snapped mid hang. It takes about 10 seconds and the sensastion is euphoric when you just commit and accept, then it's nothing at all. Just peace.

Lol a successful quick and clean decapitation is literally the sole single fastest, painless, and guaranteed death there is.