Discussion God is a sick freak

[alivefornow]

Not that I believe in God. I don't believe in anything.

But if there is a God, it can be argued that he is cruel.

God is either cruel or incompetent.

God is cruel because he made suffering and pain a part of every life form with a sufficiently developed nervous system.

"But God created suffering so that we could appreciate joy!"

He didn't have to do it like that. In his omnipotence, he could have made us experience joy to its full extent without having to suffer.

Instead, he made us dwell in this hell planet, fighting for scraps, being subjected to the horrible things we humans do to each other and awaiting certain death. Meanwhile, Mother Nature fucks us with diseases, deformities and disasters.

Either that, or he is NOT omnipotent and couldn't create a world worthy of his love, due to sheer incompetence. In that case, I wish he would wipe this planet out. End all life.

If God is real, then I hate him. If he would send my soul to be eternally raped in hell for that, then I accept it. I cannot admire the creator of suffering, the ultimate sadist.

 

[sserafim]

If god exists, then there are probably two gods: a good god and an evil god. I believe that this world is unfortunately governed and ruled by the evil god (the Demiurge). That explains why there's so much suffering. Everything in this world has its complement/opposite (black and white, good and evil, Democrats and Republicans, night and day, heaven and hell, etc), so why would there only be one god? It makes sense for there to be two

 

[Traveller12724]

Not that I believe in God. I don't believe in anything.

But if there is a God, it can be argued that he is cruel.

God is either cruel or incompetent.

God is cruel because he made suffering and pain a part of every life form with a sufficiently developed nervous system.

"But God created suffering so that we could appreciate joy!"

He didn't have to do it like that. In his omnipotence, he could have made us experience joy to its full extent without having to suffer.

Instead, he made us dwell in this hell planet, fighting for scraps, being subjected to the horrible things we humans do to each other and awaiting certain death. Meanwhile, Mother Nature fucks us with diseases, deformities and disasters.

Either that, or he is NOT omnipotent and couldn't create a world worthy of his love, due to sheer incompetence. In that case, I wish he would wipe this planet out. End all life.

If God is real, then I hate him. If he would send my soul to be eternally raped in hell for that, then I accept it. I cannot admire the creator of suffering, the ultimate sadist.

You remind me of the best book ever written "The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky". In the book, Ivan is a meta-atheist, it isn't that he doesn't believe in God, it is that he disapproves of God, and he uses the stories of unjust suffering of children to make his point. It's not that god doesn't exist, it's that if there is a god, he is a morally reprehensible creature.

You also remind me of Steve Jobs, he came to that same conclusion when he was 13. In July 1968 Life magazine published a shocking cover showing a pair of starving children in Biafra. Jobs took it to Sunday school and confronted the church's pastor. "If I raise my finger, will God know which one I'm going to raise even before I do it?" The pastor answered, "Yes, God knows everything."Jobs then pulled out the Life cover and asked, "Well, does God know about this and what's going to happen to those children?"

"Steve, I know you don't understand, but yes, God knows about that." Jobs announced that he didn't want to have anything to do with worshipping such a God, and he never went back to church.

For millennia, many people have asked how is it that the world could be constituted in a manner that allows the unjust suffering of children and human beings in general. You can easily come to the conclusion that being is so corrupt that it should be eradicated.

 

[divinemistress36]

God is a masochist

 

[aesthetic_recon]

If god exists, then there are probably two gods: a good god and an evil god. I believe that this world is unfortunately governed and ruled by the evil god (the Demiurge). That explains why there's so much suffering. Everything in this world has its complement/opposite (black and white, good and evil, Democrats and Republicans, night and day, heaven and hell, etc), so why would there only be one god? It makes sense for there to be two

Based Marcionite. Marcion was the only one who truly understood Paul.

 

[theboy]

What? NO

 

[drearysunrise]

This thinking is what eventually helped me stop fretting over the possibility of going to hell for not being religious. If a God could justify creating all the suffering that exists in the world, I would never be able to truly follow or love that God, so I'd be going to hell either way.

 

[Artemisia]

It's interesting how you're all stuck to the concept of the Christian (possibly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) god. Does it ever occur to you that Hindus have dozens of gods? The Greeks and Romans had a multitude of gods too.... I never understood how people are so self centered that even if they know this, they still stick to their own culture' god(s), even when it's to criticize them.
At least the Greeks and Romans had the good sense of imagining their gods with all sorts of powers but also all sorts of human flaws: jealousy, cheating, mood swings, etc, etc. That's why they needed to be appeased.
Christianity seems to have tripped on their own feet. The idea of a nice, caring sky daddy is really comforting. Of course it only takes 2 brain cells to understand what OP says... Either God is omnipotent so it's evil, or it's not evil but evil exists, therefore is not omnipotent.

 

[Hollowman]

There's no god

 

[derpyderpins]

You remind me of the best book ever written "The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky". In the book, Ivan is a meta-atheist, it isn't that he doesn't believe in God, it is that he disapproves of God, and he uses the stories of unjust suffering of children to make his point. It's not that god doesn't exist, it's that if there is a god, he is a morally reprehensible creature.

You also remind me of Steve Jobs, he came to that same conclusion when he was 13. In July 1968 Life magazine published a shocking cover showing a pair of starving children in Biafra. Jobs took it to Sunday school and confronted the church's pastor. "If I raise my finger, will God know which one I'm going to raise even before I do it?" The pastor answered, "Yes, God knows everything."Jobs then pulled out the Life cover and asked, "Well, does God know about this and what's going to happen to those children?"

"Steve, I know you don't understand, but yes, God knows about that." Jobs announced that he didn't want to have anything to do with worshipping such a God, and he never went back to church.

For millennial, many people have asked how is it that the world could be constituted in a manner that allows the unjust suffering of children and human beings in general. You can easily come to the conclusion that being is so corrupt that it should be eradicated.

Where I always run into a wall is the whole 'we can't understand his ways. Everything is part of a greater plan.' Well why did that asshole make me smart enough to ask questions but too stupid to understand why children who've done nothing wrong need to suffer and die?

 

[Artemisia]

There's no god

No godS! Neither the Christian one nor the thousands of others from other cultures.

 

[lita-lassi]

the universe is just electron soup

 

[Traveller12724]

Where I always run into a wall is the whole 'we can't understand his ways. Everything is part of a greater plan.' Well why did that asshole make me smart enough to ask questions but too stupid to understand why children who've done nothing wrong need to suffer and die?

The everything is part of a great plan line drives me nuts, I can't stand it, it's like people are so desperate to hold onto their beliefs that they will give a pass to god on everything

 

[derpyderpins]

The everything is part of a great plan line drives me nuts, I can't stand it, it's like people are so desperate to hold onto their beliefs that they will give a pass to god on everything

Okay, so God, you love me. I'm telling you I'm distressed by this evil in your world. I'm not satisfied with the "bigger plan" answer. How about you show up and talk to me and explain? No? I have to blindly believe? Or you'll send me to suffer eternally with no hope of ever making it up to you?

Yeah, sounds like you love me all right.

 

[Traveller12724]

It's interesting how you're all stuck to the concept of the Christian (possibly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) god. Does it ever occur to you that Hindus have dozens of gods? The Greeks and Romans had a multitude of gods too.... I never understood how people are so self centered that even if they know this, they still stick to their own culture' god(s), even when it's to criticize them.
At least the Greeks and Romans had the good sense of imagining their gods with all sorts of powers but also all sorts of human flaws: jealousy, cheating, mood swings, etc, etc. That's why they needed to be appeased.
Christianity seems to have tripped on their own feet. The idea of a nice, caring sky daddy is really comforting. Of course it only takes 2 brain cells to understand what OP says... Either God is omnipotent so it's evil, or it's not evil but evil exists, therefore is not omnipotent.

Sky daddy hahahah that's a good way to put it man, you are right, we tend to stick the concept of Judeo-Christian in the west, I think throughout time people have attributed the name god or gods to the randomness of the universe that we all know exist but can't really explain.

Okay, so God, you love me. I'm telling you I'm distressed by this evil in your world. I'm not satisfied with the "bigger plan" answer. How about you show up and talk to me and explain? No? I have to blindly believe? Or you'll send me to suffer eternally with no hope of ever making it up to you?

Yeah, sounds like you love me all right.

Oh I know, I take it you are not much of a believer, what age did you hit the wall and lose your faith ?

 

[derpyderpins]

Oh I know, I take it you are not much of a believer, what age did you hit the wall and lose your faith ?

I still want to believe, so I guess I never hit the age. I've grown more agnostic, but thinking I don't care if any of the gods described in religion exist because they all seem like assholes. If there's a decent, reasonable God who maybe has some power but can't stop all suffering, hopefully he is satisfied with me trying to be decent to people, but unless the rules are made more clear I don't want to play the game.

 

[divinemistress36]

It's interesting how you're all stuck to the concept of the Christian (possibly Judeo-Christian-Muslim) god. Does it ever occur to you that Hindus have dozens of gods? The Greeks and Romans had a multitude of gods too.... I never understood how people are so self centered that even if they know this, they still stick to their own culture' god(s), even when it's to criticize them.
At least the Greeks and Romans had the good sense of imagining their gods with all sorts of powers but also all sorts of human flaws: jealousy, cheating, mood swings, etc, etc. That's why they needed to be appeased.
Christianity seems to have tripped on their own feet. The idea of a nice, caring sky daddy is really comforting. Of course it only takes 2 brain cells to understand what OP says... Either God is omnipotent so it's evil, or it's not evil but evil exists, therefore is not omnipotent.

The greek and roman gods make more sense to me

 

[Artemisia]

The greek and roman gods make more sense to me

Same! At least they don't force you to do mental gymnastics trying to concile the omnipotence with the existence of evil and all that confusing issues about being one but a trinity! Greek and Roman gods were capricious, you had to offer them gifts trying to get on their good side. Easy to understand, makes sense.

 

[divinemistress36]

Same! At least they don't force you to do mental gymnastics trying to concile the omnipotence with the existence of evil and all that confusing issues about being one but a trinity! Greek and Roman gods were capricious, you had to offer them gifts trying to get on their good side. Easy to understand, makes sense.

Greek Goddess Artemis

 

[Artemisia]

Greek Goddess Artemis

Yep!

 

[glossble]

I don't believe in god, but the best thing for his reputation is for him not to exist in the first place or to be powerless and have no control over the world and people's lives lol otherwise he's done too much shit to even try to justify him

 

[Endlichkeit]

If I had more power than God, I would make him suffer forever for everything he did to me.

 

[Nikitatos]

The deep state intercepts people's prayers and uses them again them. Human brains are hacked like computers and cell phones. Evil, evil people. Unimaginable evil.

Project Soul Catcher. The CIA & US military are infiltrated with literal Nazis.

Amazon.com

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

If there is a god, this is a sample of his work:









Why people continue to worship this sick freak is beyond me.

 

[alivefornow]

There's no god

I am inclined to agree

 

[lizzywizzy09]

The universe is just a shitty, random place.

 

[Changedmymind]

If there is only joy, then there is no joy. If there is only happiness, there is no happiness. Why blame God for the evil that is on Earth, when it is Satan's domain. I've certainly not taken Jesus into my heart, and wouldn't exept anyone else to, but I've heard that you need to spend 10 000hours on something to be really proficient at it, so you'd need to meditate on God for that amount. What He/It is or isn't. I'm a long way off and so is almost everyone else living today.