Discussion For the Germans here: what happens when an American has a failed cbt attempt in Germany?

[ManWithNoName]

I'm just covering my bases and have to allow for contingencies i.e.: if I'm in Germany, decide to ctb, and fuck it up and end up surviving.

Anybody know what happens to an American who attempts ctb but survives? Mandatory looney-bin,? Jail? Or fines? My status in the country would be tourist, not resident.

Ps - let's keep this discussion in English, thanks.

 

[AnnaJaspers]

Why do you have to CTB in Germany?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Why do you have to CTB in Germany?

I'm currently in search of work, I'll be visiting a close friend (he has no idea I'm considering self deliverance) and there are times I get close to the edge and want to call it quits, then I pull back. But I cannot predict when I'll actually ctb, and it is possible it could happen in Germany if my negative thoughts get the better of me.

 

[raybd]

they send him back thru checkpoint charlie?

sorry couldnt resist... too much le carre growing up.

 

[ManWithNoName]

they send him back thru checkpoint charlie?

sorry couldnt resist... too much le carre growing up.

Or perhaps dumped at the gates of the U.S. embassy.

 

[raybd]

Is that Yul Brynner on your profile, or a look alike?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Is that Yul Brynner on your profile, or a look alike?

That is indeed him. It's not advisable to use one's actual photo as their Avatar on a forum such as ss, but I've been told often that I closely resemble him—though really I think all shaved headed white boys probably look very very similar.

 

[raybd]

yu know people in quite a few places in the u.s. - appalachian hill tops would say yul wasnt white... am surprised yul's known these days on this kind of youngish forum

 

[Quax]

Well.... I'm German.... if you fail and survive you will end up in a Psychiatrisches Krankenhaus..... you will have to stay for 1-4 weeks or even longer.... I hope you have health insurance.... the bill will be freaking high.

 

[raybd]

Well.... I'm German.... if you fail and survive you will end up in a Psychiatrisches Krankenhaus..... you will have to stay for 1-4 weeks or even longer.... I hope you have health insurance.... the bill will be freaking high.

I hope they take Obamacare?

 

[Final Escape]

I hope they take Obamacare?

Lmao!

 

[ManWithNoName]

.. I hope you have health insurance.... the bill will be freaking high.

I do not have insurance, and no €€ other than the small amount I have to travel with, so all I can say to them is good luck trying to get blood from a stone.

 

[APharmaDestroyedLife]

though really I think all shaved headed white boys probably look very very similar.

LOL thanks for that first actual laugh of the day

 

[Ironweed]

I imagine they'd expel you and send you back to your native country as soon as you were out of physical danger. Though if you're a citizen of an EU state maybe they wouldn't? Or couldn't? Not sure how the cross-border/theoretically free to travel across borders stuff works, since I'm an Amerifat.

Not the question asked, but I'm pretty sure if you have a history of mental illness in your medical records and you try to enter the USA they can and do refuse to allow you in. IIRC Canada is even more picky than the USA about this kind of thing, I know somebody with a US drunk driving conviction who was refused entry into Canada.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I imagine they'd expel you and send you back to your native country as soon as you were out of physical danger. Though if you're a citizen of an EU state maybe they wouldn't? Or couldn't? Not sure how the cross-border/theoretically free to travel across borders stuff works, since I'm an Amerifat.

Not the question asked, but I'm pretty sure if you have a history of mental illness in your medical records and you try to enter the USA they can and do refuse to allow you in. IIRC Canada is even more picky than the USA about this kind of thing, I know somebody with a US drunk driving conviction who was refused entry into Canada.

I'm from the States - on a U.S. passport. And no history of mental illness.

 

[forever21]

I'm from the States - on a U.S. passport. And no history of mental illness.

Are you considering working in germany or is your friend in germany and you are just visiting?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Are you considering working in germany or is your friend in germany and you are just visiting?

I'll be looking for work, but currently no prospects. I will be seeing my friend during my visit.

 

[Santiago]

They won't hold you if that's what you are asking.

At least not if you go for a decent method.

Of course if you decide to swing a gun around in public then you can expect more trouble as you would be endangering others.

 

[ManWithNoName]

They won't hold you if that's what you are asking.

At least not if you go for a decent method.

Sorry man, not sure what you're saying here.

 

[Santiago]

Sorry man, not sure what you're saying here.

What part did you not understand?

You'll be fine as long as your method doesn't endanger other people.

 

[PlathWannaBe]

I'm an American who's been living in Germany for the past 8 years. I have also thought about this question, although since I work here, I'm covered under German insurance, so they would probably just put me into a psychiatric hospital, but I don't think the hold would even be that long (Maybe 2-3 days, max?). The cost would all be covered by my insurance.

You could try contacting something like the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Psychologie (German Society for Psychology, dgps.de)- they have an English page, and you can send them an Email in English, and maybe try to ask the question in sort of a round about way ("I have an acquaintance who's traveling in Germany who i'm currently worried about. He's American and mentioned suicide. What would/could happen if he tried it there?" - something maybe like that). Idk, I know that sounds lame, but you could try. Alternatively, you could try the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Soziale Psychiatrie, and try the same thing, and maybe they could give you some further information. Just click on Kontakt, and you can send an Email in English, and will likely get a reply in English.

They may likely send you links to suicide prevention sites, but at least these organizations may be a start. Feel free to PM me if you like. Living here is great.
I just happened across this thread, and if this is true, I don't know if I would consider CTBing in Germany...

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/germans-here-how-to-get-out-of-a-psych-ward.26474/

 

[Quax]

@Santiago . No he won't.... if his attempt fails he will be sectioned.... that is fact.... for such Germany is very strict... for the moment his nationality is irrelevant.

 

[PlathWannaBe]

Yeah, I feel like I really have to highlight that thread I posted, because I don't want to give you wrong info. Apparently if you attempt CTB in Germany and fail, they could possible hold you for a REALLY long time, regardless of nationality. So I don't know that it's such a good idea :x

 

[voyager]

Well, there was a refugee or student a little while back who asked a smiliar question. He said he was sectioned after an attempt and was asking about legal advice to get out. So I wouldn't count on getting out under all circumstances, but I really couln't say.

Can I just ask what method you had in mind?

 

[Santiago]

@Santiago . No he won't.... if his attempt fails he will be sectioned.... that is fact.... for such Germany is very strict... for the moment his nationality is irrelevant.

Since it's a fact, refer me to the German law that states you can get sentenced for a failed suicide attempt because I must not be aware of it.

Unlike some other countries where attempted suicide is seen as a misdemeanour, there is no penalty in Germany.

 

[less than]

I do not have insurance, and no €€ other than the small amount I have to travel with, so all I can say to them is good luck trying to get blood from a stone.

Probably you'll have success with that attitude. When you're not insured then the medics will do no more than what is absolutely necessary. As fast as you'll be rescued if you failed, even so fast you'll be out of the hospital again if you don't have an insurance.

 

[Quax]

I never said sentenced..... sectioned for your own well-being...it is called here...

 

[ManWithNoName]

What part did you not understand?

You'll be fine as long as your method doesn't endanger other people.

So if I understand you correctly, if I attempted a ctb by train and (heaven forbid) I fail, the German authorities would / could place me in some looney bin. But if I ctb via hanging and fail, they will not intervene?

Feel free to PM me if you like. Living here is great.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/germans-here-how-to-get-out-of-a-psych-ward.26474/

Thanks, man.

 

[Quax]

That is nonsense... they will intervene....always...

 

[ManWithNoName]

Probably you'll have success with that attitude. When you're not insured then the medics will do no more than what is absolutely necessary. As fast as you'll be rescued if you failed, even so fast you'll be out of the hospital again if you don't have an insurance.

I thought as much. Thanks.