First Trump Biden debate 2024

[BurntBridge]

It seems that Biden has made a bad impression, they are even considering whether to replace him.

Wasn't this debate pretty early than usual? Maybe they were planning to replace him all along.

 

[unabletocope]

I don't think they are equally bad. Trump unironically wants to turn America into a fascist state. Biden may have dementia but he's very moderate.

who cares if he's moderate, if anything he's making it clear that moderate politics has failed for good

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

I don't think they are equally bad. Trump unironically wants to turn America into a fascist state. Biden may have dementia but he's very moderate.

imo American electoral politics is so ratcheted to the right that they're both basically right. It's sad to me that this is the "best" America has to offer. I feel this is the result of the democratic party blocking leftist within their party. We have Biden because they were so opposed to Sanders, who's not exactly a radical leftist.

Full disclosure, I'm an American anarchist and am opposed to the whole notion of electoral politics and don't support any party.

 

[Pessimist]

imo American electoral politics is so ratcheted to the right that they're both basically right. It's sad to me that this is the "best" America has to offer. I feel this is the result of the democratic party blocking leftist within their party. We have Biden because they were so opposed to Sanders, who's not exactly a radical leftist.

Full disclosure, I'm an American anarchist and am opposed to the whole notion of electoral politics and don't support any party.

Biden is too socially liberal to be considered "right-wing". He's more of a centrist or centre-left. Trump is right-wing to far-right. Bernie Sanders and the Squad are left-wing.

 

[voc_89]

I feel for America..it's about time u get these old heads out and try to push younger people. Following that horrendous debate imo Trump will definitely win. I mean we beat Medicare. Wtf. The guy obviously is suffering with old age illnesses (dementia).

 

[unabletocope]

I feel for America..it's about time u get these old heads out and try to push younger people. Following that horrendous debate imo Trump will definitely win. I mean we beat Medicare. Wtf. The guy obviously is suffering with old age illnesses (dementia).

the younger heads in the democrats are power crazy jokers like kamala and buttigieg who are unelectable, isn't it telling that despite the scramble to suddenly replace biden there is absolutely nobody there, biden was only ever nominated in 2020 because we had hit the bottom of the barrel and the bottom of the barrel turned out to be biden, now we're beyond the bottom of the barrel

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

Biden is too socially liberal to be considered "right-wing". He's more of a centrist or centre-left. Trump is right-wing to far-right. Bernie Sanders and the Squad are left-wing.

I respect your opinion. In my opinion Sanders and the squad are the centrists. The left doesn't exist in a substantial way in American electoral politics.

See also:

 

[MarkSmith73]

Overall a weak performance for Biden though he finished a bit stronger. Trump overall did very well, hammered home his points at the same time being very disciplined and wellspoken.

 

[ferrie]

Biden is too socially liberal to be considered "right-wing". He's more of a centrist or centre-left. Trump is right-wing to far-right. Bernie Sanders and the Squad are left-wing.

Biden occupies a really weird space politically imo. He pushes policies & tries to hold a public stance that are more centrist to stay in the Democratic party's good graces, but you can tell that his personal beliefs are far more conservative. For example, he tries to skirt around the topic of abortion A LOT. He won't say anything negative about it bc the party supports it in some capacity, but he's so uncomfortable with it that he seems to avoid saying the word. He also opposed integration, and that's just not a level of racism that can be unlearned. The Democratic party is centrist, but I genuinely don't think those are his true political beliefs or he would be a lot more proactive about actually pushing that agenda

 

[Jack_Nimble]

I hope y'all don't mind a little humor injection from a gosh darned genius! May he rest in peace.

 

[Cruelhearted]

Well Biden walked out looking a ghost hopped up on drugs. Trump walked out with his stupid slow look at me while I wave and act confident walk.

Then the first question, Biden was definitely on drugs. It was like speed talking. Like that person who's blasted out of their mind, but trying to act sober and only looks more fucked up. Eventually as the night went on Biden started mumbling and mixing up words and sentences. Then Jill had to help him off stage. I feel sorry for the man, this cannot be how a person wants to be remembered.

Trump at least answered coherently. Not that he was answering the questions asked all the time but you could understand him. Either way he's ajackals, but I'd say he won just because he actually seemed like he had a pulse.

 

[Dot]

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[ms_beaverhousen]

He wasn't mumbling when that hot mic caught him calling that reporter a "stupid son of a bitch" So funny....
Were Trump's shoes clean? Nothing on them?
No toilet paper hanging off of them or anything?

 

[Dot]

Were Trump's shoes clean? Nothing on them?
No toilet paper hanging off of them or anything?

Thnk hs sh*t ws all on hs rap-sheet

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

Thnk hs sh*t ws all on hs rap-sheet

Wanda Sykes talked about it in her stand-up on Netflix. There first half was good if I remember, then it dwindled; but when she talked about that toilet paper on his shoe and acted it out, I died....
The only good kind of dying

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= intrstng 2/ wtch

12yrs ago at his age is a long time... He's still riding bikes. He could have mini strokes or lesions on his brain. Hiding onset Lewy Body Dementia or who knows what. He overcame a stammer and has lost his family. Trump just lost all his money and the Presidency... Oh wait, he says he didn't, nm. Didn't Biden's eye blow through a vessel or something a few years ago too? Give a old dog a break

Trump will have a literal heart attack if he loses; or if he trips and falls, he ain't gettin back up without a stretcher underneath him... unlike Biden who can fall off his bike and get back up.

Thnk hs sh*t ws all on hs rap-sheet

Evidently the poo was still on his shoe
Unmute quickly***

 

[Dot]

Wanda Sykes talked about it in her stand-up on Netflix. There first half was good if I remember, then it dwindled; but when she talked about that toilet paper on his shoe and acted it out, I died....
The only good kind of dying

12yrs ago at his age is a long time... He's still riding bikes. He could have mini strokes or lesions on his brain. Hiding onset Lewy Body Dementia or who knows what. He overcame a stammer and has lost his family. Trump just lost all his money and the Presidency... Oh wait, he says he didn't, nm. Didn't Biden's eye blow through a vessel or something a few years ago too? Give a old dog a break

Trump will have a literal heart attack if he loses; or if he trips and falls, he ain't gettin back up without a stretcher underneath him... unlike Biden who can fall off his bike and get back up.

Evidently the poo was still on his shoe
Unmute quickly***

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"For a leader so nervous
In an obvious way
Stuttering and mumbling
For nightly news to replay
And the rest of the world
Watching at the end of the day
In the living room laughing
Like what did he say?"

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[Pessimist]

Biden occupies a really weird space politically imo. He pushes policies & tries to hold a public stance that are more centrist to stay in the Democratic party's good graces, but you can tell that his personal beliefs are far more conservative. For example, he tries to skirt around the topic of abortion A LOT. He won't say anything negative about it bc the party supports it in some capacity, but he's so uncomfortable with it that he seems to avoid saying the word. He also opposed integration, and that's just not a level of racism that can be unlearned. The Democratic party is centrist, but I genuinely don't think those are his true political beliefs or he would be a lot more proactive about actually pushing that agenda

I don't think someone can genuinely claim that Biden is a conservative. There's a reason conservatives call him a "leftist".

I respect your opinion. In my opinion Sanders and the squad are the centrists. The left doesn't exist in a substantial way in American electoral politics.

It's not even a personal opinion, Bernie Sanders and the Squad are progressive social democrats and democratic socialists. This is technically left-wing, always. You say you're an anarchist (far-left), so that explains why everything seems right-leaning to you.

 

[Chinaski]

I don't think someone can genuinely claim that Biden is a conservative. There's a reason conservatives call him a "leftist".

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This is the corny, reassuring gesture politics of the neoliberal and is not inherently "left wing"

 

[Pessimist]

This is the corny, reassuring gesture politics of the neoliberal and is not inherently "left wing"

It's anti-conservative.

 

[ferrie]

I don't think someone can genuinely claim that Biden is a conservative. There's a reason conservatives call him a "leftist".

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It's not even a personal opinion, Bernie Sanders and the Squad are progressive social democrats and democratic socialists. This is technically left-wing, always. You say you're an anarchist (far-left), so that explains why everything seems right-leaning to you.

I'm not claiming that Biden is conservative in the context of American conservative right wing politics. I'm claiming that Biden is more conservative than the Democratic party, which from a more global perspective of politics is more centrist than progressive. Supporting trans people also doesn't inherently make him liberal. It may be more common for people who are left wing to support trans rights, but there are trans conservatives. My claim was also specifically about his personal political beliefs in opposition to the policies he supports for the interests of the party

 

[Chinaski]

It's anti-conservative.

He's presently lending his support to a genocide perpetrated by white supremacists, I'm not sure this is counterbalanced with a couple of cynical phoned-in tweets.

 

[Pessimist]

I'm not claiming that Biden is conservative in the context of American conservative right wing politics. I'm claiming that Biden is more conservative than the Democratic party, which from a more global perspective of politics is more centrist than progressive. Supporting trans people also doesn't inherently make him liberal. It may be more common for people who are left wing to support trans rights, but there are trans conservatives. My claim was also specifically about his personal political beliefs in opposition to the policies he supports for the interests of the party

What "global perspective" are you talking about? At least seven UN member states have capital punishment for homosexuality. China, a communist state and an emerging superpower whose population exceeds 1.4 billion people, has no LGBT rights. If we are talking about this perspective, then Biden is very progressive.

 

[ferrie]

What "global perspective" are you talking about? At least seven UN member states have capital punishment for homosexuality. China, a communist state and an emerging superpower whose population exceeds 1.4 billion people, has no LGBT rights. If we are talking about this perspective, then Biden is very progressive.

What does China have to do with me saying Biden is personally more conservative than the Democratic party?

 

[Pessimist]

He's presently lending his support to a genocide perpetrated by white supremacists, I'm not sure this is counterbalanced with a couple of cynical phoned-in tweets.

1. I'm aware that Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, but whether or not it's a genocide is up to the ICJ ruling. There's also a debate to whether or not the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel constituted a genocidal massacre. You can also take examples from the past: was the American "Operation Meetinghouse" a form of genocide? Because it killed 100k in a single night. And what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It's not that simple.

2. Genocide is not "right-wing". Some genocides, such as the Cambodian genocide and the Holodomor (millions of victims each), were perpetrated by far-left communist regimes.

3. Jews are not "white supremacists", but the biggest victims of white supremacy and racism. Nowadays, Mizrahi Jews are more pro-Israel than Ashkenazi Jews. So maybe it's "brown supremacy"? It would make more sense if you made the claim that Zionism is a form of Jewish supremacy.

What does China have to do with me saying Biden is personally more conservative than the Democratic party?

You said that the Democratic Party is more centrist than progressive from a global perspective. That's not accurate.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I'm not American and this slightly unrelated but WTF is this:


Why was this recommended to me? I listened to two seconds of it out of curiosity and it's basically what you would expect from a Pro-Trump song (shitty generic country music made by some mediocre dumbfuck).

 

[Deleted member 8119]

Why was this recommended to me?

Could be lots of things. I assume you have Google Android, because the YT app. In that case, Google can see everything you see lol. This thread has embedded political videos, Google associated them, and recommended you related content.

(If you don't like intrusive recommendations, I suggest using this).

I listened to two seconds of it out of curiosity and it's basically what you would expect from a Pro-Trump song (shitty generic country music made by some mediocre dumbfuck).

xd

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Could be lots of things. I assume you have Google Android, because the YT app. In that case, Google can see everything you see lol. This thread has embedded political videos, Google associated them, and recommended you related content.

(If you don't like intrusive recommendations, I suggest using this).

I meant that to be rhetorical, lol.

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

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Clip from American TV show "Dinosaurs" (early '90s). Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Pessimist]

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Clip from American TV show "Dinosaurs" (early '90s). Couldn't have said it better.

Would you prefer to live in an authoritarian one-party communist state?

 

[ferrie]

1. I'm aware that Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, but whether or not it's a genocide is up to the ICJ ruling. There's also a debate to whether or not the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel constituted a genocidal massacre. You can also take examples from the past: was the American "Operation Meetinghouse" a form of genocide? Because it killed 100k in a single night. And what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It's not that simple.

2. Genocide is not "right-wing". Some genocides, such as the Cambodian genocide and the Holodomor (millions of victims each), were perpetrated by far-left communist regimes.

3. Jews are not "white supremacists", but the biggest victims of white supremacy and racism. Nowadays, Mizrahi Jews are more pro-Israel than Ashkenazi Jews. So maybe it's "brown supremacy"? It would make more sense if you made the claim that Zionism is a form of Jewish supremacy.

You said that the Democratic Party is more centrist than progressive from a global perspective. That's not accurate.

Centrists are more progressive than conservatives, so showing that Biden is more progressive than China doesn't really disprove anything I said. Ideologies existing that are more conservative than American Democrats doesn't mean there aren't places that are also more progressive. How progressive or centrist the Democratic party is can come down to semantics & not something I'm particularly interested in debating bc it doesn't address my original claim at all. Again, my point was that Biden is more conservative than the Democratic party, not that he's a conservative. There's a difference