Firearm sale without background check/citizenship?

[KleinerWolf]

Just wondering is there any country that legally allow handgun sales
without background check/reference
and doesn't require citizenship for purchase/ownership?

 

[WornOutLife]

Maybe in the Islamic world. Otherwise, getting a gun should be done in the legal way but you can always try to get one in the slums near where you live. (That was my plan at least here in Argentina)

 

[KleinerWolf]

Maybe in the Islamic world. Otherwise, getting a gun should be done in the legal way but you can always try to get one in the slums near where you live. (That was my plan at least here in Argentina)

Yeah. Gun laws are pretty strict here in new zealand, also I dont have citizenship so can't access it legally.
Can't get it in China either.

I know USA requires background check, most likely need to be a resident as well,

but I was thinking Yemen or places like that.
Anyone have information please let me know.

 

[voidman]

You can in the us without a background check

 

[shorecomingsee yah]

you can get muzzle loaders without a lisence in usa

 

[KleinerWolf]

You can in the us without a background check

How does that work?
Is it vary on the specific state?
Are foreign nationals eligible?

 

[Aap]

Only if you have a green card/permanent residency

 

[KleinerWolf]

Only if you have a green card/permanent residency

that makes sense.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

There are numerous ways to obtain a firearm in the US without a background check or anything. Half of my guns are unregistered, all I needed was the cash to purchase them.

 

[KleinerWolf]

There are numerous ways to obtain a firearm in the US without a background check or anything. Half of my guns are unregistered, all I needed was the cash to purchase them.

even for foreigners?

 

[Brick In The Wall]

even for foreigners?

Yep, money talks here. Private firearm sales don't require paperwork in many states.

 

[voidman]

even for foreigners?

Some sellers might ask for an ID, but it shouldn't be that hard to find one that doesn't if you have cash. Some states are more relaxed than others about it.

 

[Wayfaerer]

You can in the us without a background check

What? Unless you mean private sale then yes (depending on state.)

 

[KleinerWolf]

as for private sales, they are basically unrecorded illegal sales or what is it exactly?

Which states are common with those type of private sales?
and how does a person even find a private firearm dealer?

 

[Wayfaerer]

There are numerous ways to obtain a firearm in the US without a background check or anything. Half of my guns are unregistered, all I needed was the cash to purchase them.

background check doesn't necessarily mean it's registered. I also have several of them but none of mine are. Only deep blue states keep firearm identification on a database IIRC. I can't think of any examples other than california, illinois and new england (excl vermont and maine).

My method won't be firearm despite already having immediate access.

as for private sales, they are basically unrecorded illegal sales or what is it exactly?

Which states are common with those type of private sales?
and how does a person even find a private firearm dealer?

Private sales are legal depending on state. Background checks are only those selling firearms via an FFL. Republican Jesus states are the best bet when it comes to ease of access to firearms. How does a person even find a private firearm dealer? The internet. I've always went through an FFL but I know someone personally who has bought one private sale at a gun show.

 

[Nexuno]

I was looking into 80% guns. AFAIK these are gun kits with the lower part modified so that the gun cannot fire until you modify it in a particular way (quite easy to do, you can find tutorials and forums on how to do it all around the web). "80% kits" are totally legal in the US, the only thing is that you must register the firearm once you decide to modify the final assembly in order to turn it into a real, legal, gun... Does anyone know if there's a way to buy/import one of those kits in Europe without too much hassles?

 

[Aap]

Most of your information about 80% guns is out of date or incorrect. The primary seller of them was shut down by the ATF due to including too many gun parts in the kit. They also do not need to be serialized/registered unless someone was selling one.

 

[Nexuno]

Most of your information about 80% guns is out of date or incorrect. The primary seller of them was shut down by the ATF due to including too many gun parts in the kit.

I can see lots of online stores selling 80% kits actually... https://www.80percentarms.com/complete-build-kits/

Including "those" kits which include all the tools:

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[Aap]

Sigh. No, you don't see the kits the atf raided. Do a search for p80, the atf raid, and which kits were seized.

A European arguing with an American about America's gun laws and technicalities is rich. Since you have it alllll figured out, go ahead and order.

Actually

 

[Nexuno]

Sigh. No, you don't see the kits the atf raided. Do a search for p80, the atf raid, and which kits were seized.

I don't know if we are talking about the same thing. I cannot go on on ordering obviously, since I'm asking if there's a possible way to do it for non US citizens...

What I'm saying is that there are tons of online forum where people share information on building DIY firearms with those kits, and they are actually building such guns. The only thing I found out is that the lower part is sell as a separate item, yet this not prevent you to build a ghost gun in any way. Where am I wrong?

 

[Aap]

The lower part is sold as a separate item, as selling them together is selling a firearm (or so says the atf). Polymer80, which makes almost all of the polymer lower receivers and glock compatible lowers was shut down by the atf for combining the 80% lower with other gun parts.

Anyone looking to buy an 80% lower might consider the purchase, as they will likely be barred from sale in about 14 days.

 

[Nexuno]

The lower part is sold as a separate item, as selling them together is selling a firearm (or so says the atf).

The lower parts they are selling and which are used in these buildings are incomplete (that's why are called 80%...) that's why is NOT considered a firearm until you modify the lower properly. They are still available to purchase and people right now continue to build their DIY guns (according with what I read on online forums). I still don't understand where I'm wrong...

 

[Aap]

Omfg I know what an 80% lower is. Polymer80 was raided and shut down by the atf for selling 80% lowers along with other gun parts, such as a barrel, as part of a kit. Per constructive intent, the atf declared those kits were firearms. If you want buy ANY 80% lower, you should do it in the next 14 days.

 

[Nexuno]

So it's something that's happening right now? Perfect timing!

 

[Aap]

I would be absolutely shocked if the atf allows 80% lowers to be sold much after the 20th.