final prayers

[58Alice85]

I pray that my death does not cause God negative feelings or disturbance.
I do not care if the whole world hates Jesus Christ i will still love him
If i go to hell, Christ's judgement is still perfect
i have commited sodomy and suicide, wished to be anally raped by Christ, committed theophilia in my head
i simply ask that my life or death gave some kind of pleasure to God
Amen

 

[Jello Biafra]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Epicurus

 

[Traveller12724]

I am not judging at all, I am just curious, but what do you exactly mean by commiting sodomy ? And where did the fantasy of being anally raped by christ come from exactly ?

 

[58Alice85]

I am not judging at all, I am just curious, but what do you exactly mean by commiting sodomy ? And where did the fantasy of being anally raped by christ come from exactly ?

I dress up as a girl and take it from behind, this is called sodomy in my religion

 

[EmptyBottle]

I doubt Jesus would perform adult acts on someone though. Maybe some others will (if both consent) in the afterlife?

I also doubt one goes to hell after destroying themselves, but I know it isn't as easy as skipping life. Maybe there is some answering to do, maybe some less preferred duties for the afterlife, etc... tho with people CTBing because of severe abuse, it is the abusers who will more likely be in hell.


PS: Being able but not willing to stop evil might not make God malevolent. Maybe he studies the evil using Earth as a testing ground so he knows exactly what to watch for and prevent, in the afterlife? Maybe removing evil requires thought monitoring and anti-free-will stuff that is harsh in itself, and God prefers his creation having free will instead of feeling stuck?

 

[58Alice85]

Had some mild hallucinations today
heard a voice say 'you want to suck off homeless people'
when i came home for a split second saw some creature lying on my bed
another voice said 'life is a video game'
constant olfactory hallucinations of molten plastic or maybe this is just all the trash outside melting from the heat

 

[58Alice85]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Epicurus

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

 

[Jello Biafra]

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

If God truly knows everything - the past, present, and future, that means you don't have free will at all.

It's a logical contradiction.

He knowingly assembled you, put your neurons together in a specific way, and knew before you were born that you would go on to commit evil.

This is akin to breaking a dog's leg and punishing him for limping.

All of that aside, the original purpose of religion was to provide a framework, or roadmap, for the afterlife. When consciousness is not tethered and hampered by a physical body, the creative power of your thoughts and beliefs become your environment instantaneously - they do not largely remain internal as they do now.

This is why in NDE testimonials, Christians see Jesus, Catholics see the Pearly Gates, people who believe in hell indeed find themselves in a hellish environment, people who believe that nothing happens after death find themselves in a void, etc. It would not be fair to call these illusions, as they are no more illusions than what we call regular life. So religion provided a framework for disoriented and confused souls who have just crossed over. The crossing of the River Styx is yet another example of these roadmaps. These are all temporary, though, until you realize that it is the creative power of thought, emotion, and belief that is at the heart of the illusion.

The religious idea of a cosmic judge where your deeds are being levied against you is patently illogical. Physical existence is more of a classroom than a courtroom. The only judgement you face is your own, from a broader, objective perspective of how your actions had a ripple effect on others.

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

Alice,

I apologize.

I don't mean to beat you over the head for your beliefs. Not at all.

Sometimes I let my own personal bias' and beliefs get in the way of trying to help people, and I hate to see people beating themselves up over the idea that some type of cosmic punishment might be waiting in the afterlife. Not saying that is you, just in general.

I only wish you the best.

 

[58Alice85]

I doubt Jesus would perform adult acts on someone though. Maybe some others will (if both consent) in the afterlife?

I also doubt one goes to hell after destroying themselves, but I know it isn't as easy as skipping life. Maybe there is some answering to do, maybe some less preferred duties for the afterlife, etc... tho with people CTBing because of severe abuse, it is the abusers who will more likely be in hell.


PS: Being able but not willing to stop evil might not make God malevolent. Maybe he studies the evil using Earth as a testing ground so he knows exactly what to watch for and prevent, in the afterlife? Maybe removing evil requires thought monitoring and anti-free-will stuff that is harsh in itself, and God prefers his creation having free will instead of feeling stuck?

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

 

[PI3.14]

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

Wouldn't you agree that there is suffering that isn't man made?

For example, people not feeling happy with their gender, body, or any sort of biological aspect that we humans ofc didn't choose.

Also, God, if he does exist, he doesn't sound interested in minimizing suffering and maximizing happiness for all species.

The bad seems to outweigh the good. "One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain … is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured."
- Arthur Schopenhauer

So it's not only about our pain, us the humans, but about other species pain too.

I'm not against people believing in a God, a sort of conscious creator of the universe. The idea of a loving God however, IMO, requires one to ignore a lot of the ongoing suffering in this world to believe that God is an all loving being.

You might find it ridiculous to blame God for all of our pain, but it's equally ridiculous to not blame him for any. In fact, I personally blame him for all, but that will require a longer reply for why I think so.

 

[It'sMyLife]

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

The problem I have is God allows evil to happen to people who aren't evil. This keeps me parked as a cynical agnostic in this life. I don't think I'm an evil person but I know I'm far from perfect and perhaps I do deserve something bad. But when i think of people who live the best lives they can and are killed and are not "saved" how could they be punished for all eternity? Now this potential outcome really would make the guy upstairs malevolent. Personally im hoping for nonexistence and will skip this judgement crap I keep hearing about. OP you are free to live your life seeking your desires as long as you aren't hurting others in the process. I hope you give yourself less of a hard time once in a while

Wouldn't you agree that there is suffering that isn't man made?

For example, people not feeling happy with their gender, body, or any sort of biological aspect that we humans ofc didn't choose.

Also, God, if he does exist, he doesn't sound interested in minimizing suffering and maximizing happiness for all species.

The bad seems to outweigh the good. "One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain … is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured."
- Arthur Schopenhauer

So it's not only about our pain, us the humans, but about other species pain too.

I'm not against people believing in a God, a sort of conscious creator of the universe. The idea of a loving God however, IMO, requires one to ignore a lot of the ongoing suffering in this world to believe that God is an all loving being.

You might find it ridiculous to blame God for all of our pain, but it's equally ridiculous to not blame him for any. In fact, I personally blame him for all, but that will require a longer reply for why I think so.

I've been blaming him for a long time myself. Apparently, if we do have a soul and it's created somehow and then embodied here ( it all really sounds pretty unlikely) and you have no way to prove it or determine any of it is real, and yet it still is but you don't believe it, and then you're going to eternal damnation for not believing it really all does. Well , that really is not only a waste of His creation but really is cruel and evil if you ask me. As of now I suspect this existence is probably a huge waste of time at the least but if there is a hell then God has a very poor record because most of his creations are going there. And what would the point of that be? One thing I do know is none of us asked to be here. By "here" I mean in the universe and being aware but not knowing why or how or what for. It's obvious that if there is God he allows anything to happen to anyone at any time no matter how good or bad they are. We've all seen good people get killed horribly and rotten people get away with terrible acts. The fact that we're living in a free for all with no limits should preclude the existence of a hell

 

[InTheStars]

Had some mild hallucinations today
heard a voice say 'you want to suck off homeless people'
when i came home for a split second saw some creature lying on my bed
another voice said 'life is a video game'
constant olfactory hallucinations of molten plastic or maybe this is just all the trash outside melting from the heat

Please go see a preist and talk about it, you might be under demonic attack. Also seek a medical help.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

Yep, with the free will humans are given, it puts the responsibility on us and others to be responsible, and strive to avoid evil. Didn't consider the personal agency stuff in my reply, oops. Thanks for spotting that oversight.

 

[58Alice85]

Wouldn't you agree that there is suffering that isn't man made?

For example, people not feeling happy with their gender, body, or any sort of biological aspect that we humans ofc didn't choose.

Also, God, if he does exist, he doesn't sound interested in minimizing suffering and maximizing happiness for all species.

The bad seems to outweigh the good. "One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain … is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured."
- Arthur Schopenhauer

So it's not only about our pain, us the humans, but about other species pain too.

I'm not against people believing in a God, a sort of conscious creator of the universe. The idea of a loving God however, IMO, requires one to ignore a lot of the ongoing suffering in this world to believe that God is an all loving being.

You might find it ridiculous to blame God for all of our pain, but it's equally ridiculous to not blame him for any. In fact, I personally blame him for all, but that will require a longer reply for why I think so.

In my view man-made suffering is not well understood by most people. Simply eating processed food (which everyone does), will make you sick over time, and then they blame their suffering on God.
Schopenhauer compares the suffering of animals, dumb creatures which have to constantly fight and eat eachother to survive with humans which are rational highly intelligent creatures. Humans dont have to devoure each other lmao

 

[PI3.14]

In my view man-made suffering is not well understood by most people. Simply eating processed food (which everyone does), will make you sick over time, and then they blame their suffering on God.
Schopenhauer compares the suffering of animals, dumb creatures which have to constantly fight and eat eachother to survive with humans which are rational highly intelligent creatures. Humans dont have to devoure each other lmao

You focused on a small part of man-made suffering, but you can't ignore that there are indeed many issues or sources of suffering that us humans didn't choose for ourselves.

As for Schopenhauer quote, it's not about animals only, we might not devour each other, but we do devour other animals, don't we?

Also, animals who have a complex nervous system, do feel pain and even stuff like depression, and anxiety. If God was all loving, he could've easily made all animals, including us, plants based species and made it so that we are disgusted by eating meat just like we are disgusted by eating, say, dirt for example. He could have made it so no animal will eat another to survive.

So, if I'm gonna use the argument from suffering, or the problem of evil, I'll say either God doesn't exist or he does but he's not an all loving God.

Ofc I don't use this argument to disprove the existence of "a God", since suffering being a thing can easily go inline with the existence of an evil god for example.

 

[intr0verse]

I don't think we have free will, and experts seem to agree, every decision we make, it's the brain and the input he receives from the environment.
Why do you think god killed more than 200k people in 2004 Sumatra earthquake or more than 10k in 2011 Japan earthquake? Why do you think inocent babies are born with severe health conditions, etc.
If there is a god, he will have to beg for forgiveness. (Written on a cell wall of Mauthausen concentration camp).

If God truly knows everything - the past, present, and future, that means you don't have free will at all.

It's a logical contradiction.

He knowingly assembled you, put your neurons together in a specific way, and knew before you were born that you would go on to commit evil.

Not only he knows everything, he has power over everything, which makes the conclusion perfectly valid.
Religions know people's fears and so, in order to control people have invented this system of punishments and rewards.

 

[58Alice85]

The problem I have is God allows evil to happen to people who aren't evil. This keeps me parked as a cynical agnostic in this life. I don't think I'm an evil person but I know I'm far from perfect and perhaps I do deserve something bad. But when i think of people who live the best lives they can and are killed and are not "saved" how could they be punished for all eternity? Now this potential outcome really would make the guy upstairs malevolent. Personally im hoping for nonexistence and will skip this judgement crap I keep hearing about. OP you are free to live your life seeking your desires as long as you aren't hurting others in the process. I hope you give yourself less of a hard time once in a while

I've been blaming him for a long time myself. Apparently, if we do have a soul and it's created somehow and then embodied here ( it all really sounds pretty unlikely) and you have no way to prove it or determine any of it is real, and yet it still is but you don't believe it, and then you're going to eternal damnation for not believing it really all does. Well , that really is not only a waste of His creation but really is cruel and evil if you ask me. As of now I suspect this existence is probably a huge waste of time at the least but if there is a hell then God has a very poor record because most of his creations are going there. And what would the point of that be? One thing I do know is none of us asked to be here. By "here" I mean in the universe and being aware but not knowing why or how or what for. It's obvious that if there is God he allows anything to happen to anyone at any time no matter how good or bad they are. We've all seen good people get killed horribly and rotten people get away with terrible acts. The fact that we're living in a free for all with no limits should preclude the existence of a hell

I still don't see how God is responsible for rotten people commiting evil acts, they do this by their own free will. Death and illness affects everybody good or bad, this is somehow God's doing when it happens to good people?
These kind of arguments always picture this otherworldy Deity which forces all his creatures to act in a certain way. This would be total enslavement. Is this what you say God should be doing? Constrain every little action humans do towards some moral ideal?
This would also be a very boring world.

 

[58Alice85]

You focused on a small part of man-made suffering, but you can't ignore that there are indeed many issues or sources of suffering that us humans didn't choose for ourselves.

As for Schopenhauer quote, it's not about animals only, we might not devour each other, but we do devour other animals, don't we?

Also, animals who have a complex nervous system, do feel pain and even stuff like depression, and anxiety. If God was all loving, he could've easily made all animals, including us, plants based species and made it so that we are disgusted by eating meat just like we are disgusted by eating, say, dirt for example. He could have made it so no animal will eat another to survive.

So, if I'm gonna use the argument from suffering, or the problem of evil, I'll say either God doesn't exist or he does but he's not an all loving God.

Ofc I don't use this argument to disprove the existence of "a God", since suffering being a thing can easily go inline with the existence of an evil god for example.

without hunger you wouldnt eat and die. without physical pain you wouldnt avoid harm and get hurt and die. you seemingly blame all suffering on God. then you use "God could have made it", so apparently you know God and know what he can and can not do.
most suffering is man on man anyway, consequences of this hideous society. Did God make it you have to constantly earn money to get the very basics of life? these kind of arguments reek of intellectual dishonesty and these kind of aggressive atheist criticism which only criticises Christianity and never other religions

 

[EmptyBottle]

without hunger you wouldnt eat and die. without physical pain you wouldnt avoid harm and get hurt and die. you seemingly blame all suffering on God. then you use "God could have made it", so apparently you know God and know what he can and can not do.
most suffering is man on man anyway, consequences of this hideous society. Did God make it you have to constantly earn money to get the very basics of life? these kind of arguments reek of intellectual dishonesty and these kind of aggressive atheist criticism which only criticises Christianity and never other religions

Mmm... and there is stuff God can do, but chooses not to do... like snap fingers and say "Let there be emptiness", and the world gets emptied (but at the same time, most people don't want to wipe away what they have built).

It is also indeed annoying how the world tends to be selfish, hopefully there is some improvement instead of regression, but idk.

No idea if they were criticising the existence of any God, or just the Christian God... my guess, is if they stumble upon a different deity, they will also criticise that.

PS: I'm a Catholic.

 

[enough of this]

I pray that my death does not cause God negative feelings or disturbance.
I do not care if the whole world hates Jesus Christ i will still love him
If i go to hell, Christ's judgement is still perfect
i have commited sodomy and suicide, wished to be anally raped by Christ, committed theophilia in my head
i simply ask that my life or death gave some kind of pleasure to God
Amen

 

[58Alice85]

I don't think we have free will, and experts seem to agree, every decision we make, it's the brain and the input he receives from the environment.
Why do you think god killed more than 200k people in 2004 Sumatra earthquake or more than 10k in 2011 Japan earthquake? Why do you think inocent babies are born with severe health conditions, etc.
If there is a god, he will have to beg for forgiveness. (Written on a cell wall of Mauthausen concentration camp).

Not only he knows everything, he has power over everything, which makes the conclusion perfectly valid.
Religions know people's fears and so, in order to control people have invented this system of punishments and rewards.

I don't know what religion you are criticising, but you'll have a hard time finding a believer these days attributing natural disasters as a direct punishment from God.
There are some historical views like people in the Middle Ages thought the plagues were punishment for sin.
As i view it nature behaves in an orderly fashion, gravity, tectonik drifts, etc which causes natural disasters.
This is this kind of atheist criticism which attacks certain views Christians do not even have.

 

[58Alice85]

I have been hearing these disgusting voices now.
The voices constantly try to convince me of all kinds of nonsense, some of it stereotypical delusional stuff.
Some of the nonsense the voices have tried to convince me is real:
-I am somehow capable of time travel, or accelerating my consciousness
-The voice is from God, or Satan, or I am God, or some other religious delusion
-certain people can hear the same voice, like the voice claims it is speaking to all schizophrenics simaltenously
-secret codes embedded in certain movies, pop music, video games pointing to a certain conspiracy
-i am being targeted by secret governmental agencies
-i have a special connection with animals, like i can read their thoughts and feelings
this is maddening and unlivable, I already had enough reasons to ctb, i dont think I will see the end of the year