Venting Feels like less of a suicide discussion

[FuneralCry]

I feel like this section of the forum is becoming into more of a general discussion about anything and everything rather than specifically a suicide one.
There are so many threads that aren't even related to suicide or even wanting to die at all in here, like it seems like so many of them are only about self harm as well as just random topics and if people want "help" to continue existing then why can't they just use the recovery section.
I personally find it tiresome seeing so many recovery discussions in here when there is a separate section for that which I ignore as I hate existence and don't even believe in the idea of "recovery". And then on suicide discussion threads I often see these like therapist types trying to push "advice" and the idea that there are other options than ctb.
Like the suicide discussion should be a place to validate people's feelings and respect their choices without pushing the idea of life on them, and if people wish to continue existing then there's the recovery section.

I wish the suicide discussion is a place reserved for those who really want to die to vent about that or discuss suicide methods rather than just a general discussion because it means that people actually posting questions about suicide just get their threads buried.
Like in my opinion it defeats the point of the suicide discussion if it's full of threads that simply aren't that, I feel like the site has changed a lot and it makes it more difficult to find threads which are actually about wanting to die when the site is basically like anywhere else.
This is why I prefer making my own threads these days as I only wish for non-existence, I don't have any interest in pro-lifers or anything "recovery" orientated, only death can bring me peace from this cruel and futile existence, there is nothing desirable about suffering here.

 

[todeswunsch]

The recovery section doesn't get attention it seems, ppl forget it exists.
I won't say that I see many pro-lifers but I agree that there are several posts in suicide discussion that would make more sense to be in either the recovery or the off topic sessions.
This don't really bothers me that much, but I agree with what you're seeing

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think it depends on the people being currently active here. Most active in general may be new folks and not everyone may be ready to leave this world immediately.

 

[hellispink]

Yeah, there are a lot of threads that have nothing to do honestly. It is very discouraging. Because i enter because i want to read and feel validated that others feel the same, not to read some random things that have nothing to do with dying

 

[tinyghost]

sometimes i really want to redirect people to the recovery or off topic forums. i don't think it bothers me as much as you because i still see value in recovery and think anyone who wants to recover should. but it annoys me especially because there are literally a separate section for it and im in the suicide discussion forum to discuss suicide, but i guess people aren't getting the attention they want over there.

 

[SVEN]

It may simply be partly because pro life advocates are becoming more adept at trying to nudge people more towards a positive attitude, then attempting to disguise their underlying motives by adding some sentence about it being the PO's choice or something similar.
Whilst my domestic responsibilities stop me attempting to ctb again meantime, I get information and great consolation from other serious seekers of relief from this existence.

 

[R_N]

I always type non suicide related topics (but even those sometimes) in offtopic.

Still, I don't mind people talking about whatever anywhere, it doesn't bother me. I think some new people maybe don't know how to navigate this space yet as well.

I see a lot of people suffering in their own ways even if they don't mention suicide directly and I like how most of the community is supportive and open. I understand your point and initial purpose of this place but when I look at most other places there is barely any of them where people aren't too judgemental of anyone expressing unpopular views.

I like that this place exist and is welcoming to most people. It is refreshing and some people in pain might find it comforting.

 

[Lupgevif]

Unfortunately I agree with you. I hate to complain how "things are not the same anymore", but this is so true. The self-harm threads have become an epidemic at this point.

 

[Abyssal]

How many times can one person say the same thing? We get it, you don't think the site is pro-death enough, but this is a pro-choice place. A place where we can talk about our troubles and experiences without getting criticized or locked up. But man oh man even here people gotta be shamed for not fitting your ideals.

Who are these pro lifers anyways? The only ones I see get banned faster than I can report.

 

[UKscotty]

I think any of us with more than a few months on the forum have zero credibility to challenge anything to be fair.

I'm starting to feel like we are frauds and I suspect a lot of other members look at us and think the same.

If we were serious, why would we be here so long?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think any of us with more than a few months on the forum have zero credibility to challenge anything to be fair.

I'm starting to feel like we are frauds and I suspect a lot of other members look at us and think the same.

If we were serious, why would we be here so long?

I don't think any of us are frauds. CTB isn't that easy at all for various reasons and the forum isn't pro-suicide / pro-death at all. Sometimes I feel jealous how "easy" it looks like other members leaving us but I'm sure their struggles were much harder than ours to make them able to overcome their SI. It's really not that easy as it often looks like.

 

[兎の耳]

I think any of us with more than a few months on the forum have zero credibility to challenge anything to be fair.

I'm starting to feel like we are frauds and I suspect a lot of other members look at us and think the same.

If we were serious, why would we be here so long?

When I found this place, it was my understanding that it was a safe space for those with suicidal ideation to discuss their feelings without fear of having said feelings invalidated. I find that there's a lot of value in a place where I can be open about my depression and hopelessness without being handed platitudes like "it gets better" or told that indulging thoughts of suicide is unhealthy.

Everyone's situation is different, people's suicidality waxes and wanes, and actually acquiring the means to peacefully end one's life is expensive and difficult. I don't feel like it's fair to call people a fraud because they've been here for more than a few months without ending their life.

 

[Nullm]

I think the real loss here is the lack of efforts to find way out through all the hurdles
I skim the site often searching for some methods talk but there's barely any
There is some but not nearly what I would imagine for such a large group of people with a common goal

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Like this thread, made for the 10th time?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think the real loss here is the lack of efforts to find way out through all the hurdles
I skim the site often searching for some methods talk but there's barely any
There is some but not nearly what I would imagine for such a large group of people with a common goal

well, when you have questions about a specific method you are interested in you can ask and start a thread. Imo a lot has been discussed about methods already and there are very many threads. But starting a new one is never a problem

 

[fwompie]

Once again FC,, if you believe something is off about someone or if a post is not the right category, why not report it? Whining about it in your repeating threads is not going to make a difference.

 

[february in alaska]

There are so many threads that aren't even related to suicide or even wanting to die at all in here, like it seems like so many of them are only about self harm as well as just random topics and if people want "help" to continue existing then why can't they just use the recovery section.

I wish the suicide discussion is a place reserved for those who really want to die to vent about that or discuss suicide methods rather than just a general discussion because it means that people actually posting questions about suicide just get their threads buried.

I'm not trying to be mean but self harm is definitely linked (if not at least adjacent) to suicide, and a lot of suicidal people don't want to die or struggle with it a lot. You can literally just ignore those threads if you want to. Maybe a new section could be made for self harm, or a way to filter that out for people who don't want that.

I don't agree with the idea that if people want "help" they're automatically in recovery or don't "really want to die". Some people are pushed into suicide due to their financial or medical situation. Some people want comfort or have complex feelings. I don't understand the need to gatekeep these things for those who are so pure in their suicidal ways that they despise everything about life and existence like you do, FC.

Personally the only threads that really do feel like they're constantly spamming and cluttering the forum are posts like these. What specifically are you pushing for? Do you want people to be sent to post in the recovery section if they show an ounce of hesitation or will to live? I don't understand this at all

 

[Lupgevif]

I think any of us with more than a few months on the forum have zero credibility to challenge anything to be fair.

I'm starting to feel like we are frauds and I suspect a lot of other members look at us and think the same.

If we were serious, why would we be here so long?

Because life is nuanced. Just because I joined this forum in despair, it did not mean I had the means to ctb immediately. I went through different phases of improvement, when I thought I didn't need this forum anymore, but things once again took a turn for the worse. If you feel like a fraud, maybe you should leave, instead of discrediting others.

 

[tiger b]

Not biting. Best wishes to everyone

 

[casual_existence]

There's only so much that can be said about suicide I think. Only thing that can really be done is to improve moderation

 

[MiMif]

I'm not sure if I'm one of the people your talking about not sure I post random things but I just post anything here that has anything to do with suicide even if it's small.

 

[Morte]

Once again FC,, if you believe something is off about someone or if a post is not the right category, why not report it? Whining about it in your repeating threads is not going to make a difference.

and why should mods even listen? this user is literally complaining about people venting and others offering advice, as if giving any advice is pro-life

 

[fwompie]

and why should mods even listen? this user is literally complaining about people venting and others offering advice, as if giving any advice is pro-life

They probably wouldn't since the topics in Suicide Discussion tend to stick with the rules and FC possibly just wants attention BUT said that moreso with the fact that if you have something to complain about then try and do something about it. Not just whine about it over and over. But in the end,, these comments are futile and FC will keep going. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike FC, just these post that attack members that always seem to willingly listen to FC, so it doesn't feel fair.

 

[Abandoned Character]

find threads which are actually about wanting to die when the site is basically like anywhere else

Everything that can be said about wanting to die has been said.

Ironically, it's a dead horse, it's not interesting. Imagine listening to a song that is the same note over and over again, not many people will care for it. Places and things evolve, such is an immutable aspect of reality that you hate so much.

Stagnancy is boring and you are recognizing that fact. Nothing wrong with boring things, but fighting the natural consequences of being boring is a losing battle.

 

[Leavesfromthevine]

it's probably because people either don't think about where they should post

This is a big thing for me because sometimes it's not clear where a post should go and usually the suicide discussion fits the best although it might not be a great fit.

It should also be stated that some people (me included) will post something that might be similar to someone else but with our own personal experience. It never is meant to be spammy or anything like that

 

[Abyssal]

It gums the thread up like lint in a tumble dryer

I think we should trust the mods to know what goes where. If you think that we should have a place for different topics, try bringing it up in suggestions. Until then I don't think we should be gatekeeping what goes where.

 

[Abandoned Character]

with our own personal experience

We are all humans and are going to be feeling the same things, so it makes sense a lot of posts may sound similar. Personally, I think it is wonderful when someone is willing to share their own personal twist on the same dilemma--I do not find that boring. What FC is advocating for, though, is homogeneous and dull.

And, logically, of course the forum is different than from what FC recalls in her rose-tinted glasses. The nature of the forum that FC idealizes is one in which its members cease to exist, and thus the only ones left are those still clinging to some sembleance of this external world, wondering where everyone went.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Make your own damn site then.

 

[Rhizomorph1]

I think there are a lot of suicide-adjacent topics that are not really so much directly relating to suicide (e.g., self harm as you mentioned; topics surrounding what happens afterwards, venting, etc.).

These topics are definitely related to suicide but are indirect compared to methods.

They're definitely unsuitable for the recovery section and the off-topic section seems more to do with politics, music, gaming, etc.

I wonder if we would benefit from a "suicide discussion" alongside a "suicide methods" sections? I think having the two lumped together oversaturates the methods with the adjacent content.

If anyone else likes this idea let me know and il submit it to the site recommendations.

 

[Abyssal]

I wonder if we would benefit from a "suicide discussion" alongside a "suicide methods" sections? I think having the two lumped together oversaturates the methods with the adjacent content.

You see, that would be perfect in an ideal world. Unfortunately, sasu already has a reputation thanks to the news and tantacrul picking and choosing what parts to show. I suppose a "methods" section wouldn't be wrong, but I feel there's legal (?) repercussions to pay for it. We'd be showing people "yes we are the pro-death forum you think we are!" even if we weren't.

I like the idea, though. I'd personally be interested in something like that.