Exit bag vs SN

[Trashcan]

I could potentially switch in my empty tank of argon for a new and full one tomorrow. My only concern is it costs money (and I want my family to have as much money as possible from me). I have everything I need for SN, including antiemetics and anti acids (the RIGHT kind). Do you think I should take SN or try with the exit bag?

 

[AveryConure]

This is kind of a cliched answer but I guess it's honestly up to you.

I was going to say the only expensive thing about doing SN would be the antiemetics but you basically have that covered already. Hearing more about how SN feels after taking it I wasn't a fan of it and if I was smart enough to build a helium tank that would be my method of choice, but all we have are the Balloon Time ones that apparently don't work.

 

[TiredHorse]

I don't mean to slight those who have chosen it as their method, but from everything I've read here SN seems like a pretty awful way to ctb.

I'm not going to try and make your decision for you, but I'd probably refill the tank. After all, you've already bought the expensive parts: the tank and regulator. The Ar shouldn't be too expensive by comparison. Making up a bag, instead of the mask, shouldn't be expensive either. And you've already proven that if the equipment doesn't let you down, you're not going to flinch with eb/Ar, the way I've done.

Don't let me sway you a direction you don't want to go.

 

[Help_Me]

It's up to you, mate. But as for me : I don't trust SN method enough. Almost everyone here often report they vomited a lot, even with antiemitics.

 

[OkTotti]

It's up to you, mate. But as for me : I don't trust SN method enough. Almost everyone here often report they vomited a lot, even with antiemitics.

agree... SN is just too risky and even very painful

 

[Jadon91]

It's up to you, mate. But as for me : I don't trust SN method enough. Almost everyone here often report they vomited a lot, even with antiemitics.

Where did you read that? I don't remember more than one person who has vomited with antiemetic and anti acid.

 

[voool]

Where did you read that? I don't remember more than one person who has vomited with antiemetic and anti acid.

I remember a second. One vomited and presumably died and another lived

 

[Jadon91]

I remember a second. One vomited and presumably died and another lived

Can you link the thread please?

 

[1234dave]

I don't mean to slight those who have chosen it as their method, but from everything I've read here SN seems like a pretty awful way to ctb.

I'm not going to try and make your decision for you, but I'd probably refill the tank. After all, you've already bought the expensive parts: the tank and regulator. The Ar shouldn't be too expensive by comparison. Making up a bag, instead of the mask, shouldn't be expensive either. And you've already proven that if the equipment doesn't let you down, you're not going to flinch with eb/Ar, the way I've done.

Don't let me sway you a direction you don't want to go.

SN is painless.

 

[Trashcan]

Exit bag it is. You're all right, SN is too unpredictable and seems to be an unpleasant way to go.

The PPH's peacefulness scale might be off. Cyanide was rated a 5/10 even though it's supposed to be a painful way to go.

 

[Crest33]

Exit bag it is. You're all right, SN is too unpredictable and seems to be an unpleasant way to go.

The PPH's peacefulness scale might be off. Cyanide was rated a 5/10 even though it's supposed to be a painful way to go.

Why is everyone saying sn is a risky and bad option if the peaceful pill handbook rates it pretty high. In fact the sn method gets a 76/100 and the exit bag gets 82/100. Those numbers aren't that far apart.

I remember a second. One vomited and presumably died and another lived

One was found. Whitout this it would also be a ctb according to the person. But this is indeed presumably.

SN is painless.

I would never say that. You can say it's effective when done correctly.

 

[Smilla]

Why is everyone saying sn is a risky and bad option if the peaceful pill handbook rates it pretty high. In fact the sn method gets a 76/100 and the exit bag gets 82/100. Those numbers aren't that far apart.

I agree. SN is my second choice and for good reasons.

 

[Smilla]

Exit bag it is. You're all right, SN is too unpredictable and seems to be an unpleasant way to go.

The PPH's peacefulness scale might be off. Cyanide was rated a 5/10 even though it's supposed to be a painful way to go.

There are very mixed reports of pain which is why it's rated 5/10.

Did you make your exit bag?

 

[Crest33]

There are very mixed reports of pain which is why it's rated 5/10.

Did you make your exit bag?

I think this pain rating is so low is because Cyanide is excruciating pain for just a few seconds. It's to short to even decently realize what's happening.

 

[Smilla]

I think this pain rating is so low is because Cyanide is excruciating pain for just a few seconds. It's to short to even decently realize what's happening.

Yup. Very short indeed.

Can't win em all I guess.

 

[Crest33]

Yup. Very short indeed.

Can't win em all I guess.

This would be my first choice. But it's extremely iligal because they think you are going to murder someone. And thus very very hard to find.

 

[Smilla]

This would be my first choice. But it's extremely iligal because they think you are going to murder someone. And thus very very hard to find.

Agree. Also can put first responders at risk.

A rather romantic and old fashioned way to die but not feasible in these times.

 

[Trashcan]

I don't even know what to think of SN anymore. I guess I'll just keep it as a backup and suck it up if it ends up being miserable.

There are very mixed reports of pain which is why it's rated 5/10.

Did you make your exit bag?

I have almost everything I need for it. I decided to push it out until winter break.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I think the exit bag has some inherent problems, which could be alleviated by the hand straps and also body straps sitting up in an upright position due to the potentiaality of convulsing, which may rip the bag off the head. It's a painless method.

Sn, of the dozen or so good by posts, there have been a couple who have not taken antiemetics and acid reducer and failed because of resusitative efforts(were saved), yet they say they would try again by this method. Of the two who have live blogged, and shoutbox blogged there dying moments it seemed peaceful and good up till the time they didn't respond again, that being only a couple of posts a few minutes apart. Of the good by posters this method is the most reliable, other than by "n" posters for which there have only been a couple of good by posts with the "n" method. To me the message is clear use the meto (only) and acid reducer (tagamet or zantac) and you will be quickly unconscious (and don't be found).

 

[1234dave]

Why is everyone saying sn is a risky and bad option if the peaceful pill handbook rates it pretty high. In fact the sn method gets a 76/100 and the exit bag gets 82/100. Those numbers aren't that far apart.



One was found. Whitout this it would also be a ctb according to the person. But this is indeed presumably.


I would never say that. You can say it's effective when done correctly.[/QUOTE

you die by hypoxia. Which is euphoric, like hanging.

 

[Crest33]

I think the exit bag has some inherent problems, which could be alleviated by the hand straps and also body straps sitting up in an upright position due to the potentiaality of convulsing, which may rip the bag off the head. It's a painless method.

Sn, of the dozen or so good by posts, there have been a couple who have not taken antiemetics and acid reducer and failed because of resusitative efforts(were saved), yet they say they would try again by this method. Of the two who have live blogged, and shoutbox blogged there dying moments it seemed peaceful and good up till the time they didn't respond again, that being only a couple of posts a few minutes apart. Of the good by posters this method is the most reliable, other than by "n" posters for which there have only been a couple of good by posts with the "n" method. To me the message is clear use the meto (only) and acid reducer (tagamet or zantac) and you will be quickly unconscious (and don't be found).

I stand with you the only thing that's still unclear for me is when to take the anti-emetics. Only before? Or start a few days before and why?

And I find the method actually very compelling because of it's difficulty level. Wich is just drinking something. The rest happens automatically.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

I stand with you the only thing that's still unclear for me is when to take the anti-emetics. Only before? Or start a few days before and why?

And I find the method actually very compelling because of it's difficulty level. Wich is just drinking something. The rest happens automatically.

I think the 2 day regimen plus stat dose, is superior to the 1 time stat dose (30mg. 1 hour prior) only, there are receptors that trigger the vomit response throughout the digestive tract, the 2 day time period allows those digestive receptors to be deactivated. And allows time to see how the meto will effect you, one of the possible side effects of meto is nausea, not good if your taking it as an antinauseant. Meto is also used in "gerd" similar to tagamet so it has a dual function here, emptying the stomach contents into the digestive tract, while preventing stomach acid production, any kind of salt will increase stomach acid and taking 15g or more without the acid reducer is likely what causes the "pain", I've had moments where acid indigestion has been similar to a gall stone passing (very painfull).

 

[TiredHorse]

A factor for me is that I understand the mechanism of the eb/N2, so I'm confident I can make it work, whereas the SN is about body chemistry/biology that I just don't understand as well. I know it's just a matter of following a "recipe," but the cocktail of antiemetics, acid reducers, and SN, together with the timing, intimidates me.

If my beloved, a microbiologist, was still with me, I'm sure she could explain SN and I might consider it --but if she were still with me, I wouldn't be here at ss in the first place...

 

[Lifeisatrap]

The exit bag seems to requre a certain amount of expertise and dexterity inorder to set it up properly which is why I would never trust myself with that method without any assistance. Being the uncoordinated idiot I am I'd definatetly fuck something up. Sn is more simple and straitforword. But if I had the abilty to make a proper exit bag I'd probably choose that over sn.