Exit bag (Things that can go wrong)

[MG_39]

I plan to use Nitrogen with Maxdog regulator.

To check before:
Cylinder is full
No leaks from regulator
No leaks from bag
Tube attached good (test with bag on head and moving my head)

Position:
Half sitting in bed with pillows behind my back
Body strapped to bed
Two rope loops where I put my hands and pull tight after bag is down around my neck (avoid SI)

No one will disturb me.

If someone asked me what could fail here, I would have a hard time coming up with something.

I think this plan is very reliable, but still wan't to know what you think.

Edit: Of course I will follow the recommendations in PPe (crunch down bag, fill up with gas, hyperventilate, breath out, pull down bag, big breath in.)

 

[johndoe1954]

Hi

How do you check the regulator for leaks?

Two rope loops where I put my hands and pull tight after bag is down around my neck (avoid SI)

could you explain? and What is SI? Is this really necessary?

How did you secure the hose to the regulator? with a clamp?

What, if any are causes of fail with nitrogen?
My concern is with air getting into the bag because nitrogen, unlike helium, is not heavier than air, so air could come into the bag from the bottom e.g. where hose is...

 

[MG_39]

Hi

How do you check the regulator for leaks?

could you explain? and What is SI? Is this really necessary?

How did you secure the hose to the regulator? with a clamp?

What, if any are causes of fail with nitrogen?
My concern is with air getting into the bag because nitrogen, unlike helium, is not heavier than air, so air could come into the bag from the bottom e.g. where hose is...

Just spray some soap water. If I don't see any leaks there it won't be a leak big enough to cause problems.
SI = Survival instinct. If it's necessary to tie hands? no, but if you for example look at @TiredHorse he failed this method a lot of times, because of SI.

The Maxdog regulator is with included tube.

No air can't come into to bag. When you start flowing gas in to your bag with 15lpm, you get a positive pressure in the bag and a restriction around your neck. The Gas weight doesn't matter in this case.

 

[johndoe1954]

he failed this method a lot of times, because of SI.

Why would that happen? Apparently you pass out almost immediately. Unless some air getting in the bag?

What did you make your exit bag out of? Oven bag purchased from grocery store?

I have ordered MDB regulator-and you?
P.S. Would be interested in chatting privately. Need some help here. Seems like you have researched and thought it out well. How to contact?

How did you secure the hose to the regulator? with a clamp?

If you're using the MDB regulator a hose included, but it seems the regulator valve is very small where it attaches so some clamp may be necessary?

 

[MG_39]

Why would that happen? Apparently you pass out almost immediately. Unless some air getting in the bag?

What did you make your exit bag out of? Oven bag purchased from grocery store?

I have ordered MDB regulator-and you?
P.S. Would be interested in chatting privately. Need some help here. Seems like you have researched and thought it out well. How to contact?

Under perfect conditions I think that's correct. Hyperventilate, breath out, and after bag is pulled down a deep breath, and continue to breath relatively deep and if would probably go really quick. But even if you crunch the bag down before filling it might be some oxygen left. And if you are stressed it might affect your breathing.

I have ordered the MDB-regulator.

It looks like you can't chat the first day as a member.

 

[johndoe1954]

even if you crunch the bag down before filling it might be some oxygen left.

Yes. This is my concern. Wouldnt the flow dislodge any oxygen? My thought would be to roll the bag to expel oxygen. Then put on head-though I would think that the area where the hose enters might allow oxygen in?-and scrunch. Then start the flow...does this make sense?

What did you use for a bag?

 

[MG_39]

Yes. This is my concern. Wouldnt the flow dislodge any oxygen? My thought would be to roll the bag to expel oxygen. Then put on head-though I would think that the area where the hose enters might allow oxygen in?-and scrunch. Then start the flow...does this make sense?

What did you use for a bag?

Yes it will, but when you first fill up the bag, and let's say you don't crunch it, it will be nitrogen diluted with air. Not so easy to roll the bag with the tube inside.

In some way I think I'm overthinking this. But I'm also very afraid of failure :(

 

[johndoe1954]

when you first fill up the bag, and let's say you don't crunch it,

Yes. Must absolutely scrunch it as much as you can. Still I worry about hose entry point. Make sure hose is pointed straight down and away from your head.

I'm also very afraid of failure

Yes. What is the failure/success rate? I dont see much info or hear too much about failures....

 

[MG_39]

Yes. Must absolutely scrunch it as much as you can. Still I worry about hose entry point. Make sure hose is pointed straight down and away from your head.

Yes. What is the failure/success rate? I dont see much info or hear too much about failures....

I don't know about the failure rate, but it's not possible to say. I mean all failures with this method have a lot of different reasons. What I would like to know is the failure rate where someone have followed the instructions in PPe.

My guess is this is the things that can go wrong (add more if you like)
Not enough gas
Wrong gas
interrupted
leaking hose, regulator, bag
not sitting in a good position

 

[johndoe1954]

How big a cylinder are you using?

What bag are you using? Oven bag from supermarket? Are they 100pc secure?
How can hose be checked for leaks? put under water?
Are you using a clamp to keep the hose attached to the nozzle? or will it stay on firmly? (after heating it in warm water and putting on the nozzle)

I am worried about air getting in..

 

[MG_39]

How big a cylinder are you using?

What bag are you using? Oven bag from supermarket? Are they 100pc secure?
How can hose be checked for leaks? put under water?
Are you using a clamp to keep the hose attached to the nozzle? or will it stay on firmly? (after heating it in warm water and putting on the nozzle)

I am worried about air getting in..

5L/200bar So around 1000L compressed gas.

I have a bag from a supermarket, it feels very thin. Ordered another one too, so I can compare them.
The hose is probably nothing to worry about. I'm just doing a visual inspection.
I haven't received my regulator yet, so I can't answer that. If you pull it slightly and it don't come lose, and there are no leaks I don't see anything that can go wrong there.

 

[johndoe1954]

5L/200bar So around 1000L compressed gas.

So this is about a 40cu ft tank?
When did you order the regulator? I'm in USA ordered yesterday and they said should be here in a week...
What brand bag did you buy? will look online

 

[MG_39]

So this is about a 40cu ft tank?
When did you order the regulator? I'm in USA ordered yesterday and they said should be here in a week...
What brand bag did you buy? will look online

I have no experience with cu-sizes.
I ordered from MDB, I thought you said you did too?

 

[johndoe1954]

Yes. Still awaiting my regulator.

Am looking at these bags: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/24-x-30-kenylon-plastic-oven-bag-box/612PB2430.html

What size are you using? One must be sure the bag is 100pc airtight. I'm wondering how to know/test?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-failure.17041/

 

[MG_39]

Yes. Still awaiting my regulator.

Am looking at these bags: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/24-x-30-kenylon-plastic-oven-bag-box/612PB2430.html

What size are you using? One must be sure the bag is 100pc airtight. I'm wondering how to know/test?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-failure.17041/

I have a couple different sizes to test. PPe have recommendations on size.
I hold it in my hand and fill with gas to test.

 

[johndoe1954]

I have a couple different sizes to test. PPe have recommendations on size

What size do they recommend? PP is Peaceful Pill? I have ordered.

 

[MG_39]

What size do they recommend? PP is Peaceful Pill? I have ordered.

PP is available to download under Wiki.

 

[johndoe1954]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/ a good thread

PP is available to download under Wiki.

is there a link?

 

[johndoe1954]

Can you please message me again?

 

[CURSED again]

i have been confused as to what type elastic to get - looking on amazon there are so many different kinds - also lots of different "toggles" - & the poster Fister that ctb'd recently got a Medline oxygen regulator and was going to do a flow tests. etc to see if it was ok to use since its oxygen but not nitrogen. I unfortunately dont know about working these types of things

 

[Lookingforabus]

i have been confused as to what type elastic to get - looking on amazon there are so many different kinds - also lots of different "toggles"

I found it easier to go into a fabric store, look for myself and ask for help. I got the materials suggested in Five Final Acts, I think it was 1/2 inch wide elastic and a spring toggle that looked like it would fit the elastic.

the poster Fister that ctb'd recently got a Medline oxygen regulator and was going to do a flow tests. etc to see if it was ok to use since its oxygen but not nitrogen. I unfortunately dont know about working these types of things

Flow meters are easier than regulators, because they show you the rate of gas flow, not the pressure. (A regulator shows pressure only, so you have to calculate the flow rate using the pressure and the area of the hose.) Flow meters, however, are calibrated for a particular gas (the flow rate of a gas is mostly a function of its molecular weight), so the flow rate is only accurate for the calibrated gas. For some reason, nitrogen flow meters with the CGA580 adapter for an inert gas tank are expensive and difficult to find, so people use a nitrogen flow meter with an adapter to get an accurate flow rate display, or a flow meter calibrated for a different gas and calculate or test the actual flow rate.

Oxygen (O2) is similar enough to Nitrogen (N2) in both molecular weight and density that there isn't a huge difference in flow rate between the two gases, but if you're using an Argon flow meter (which are cheap and easy to find) with Nitrogen, the actual flow rate and the displayed flow rate are very different, which makes testing very important in this scenario.

 

[CURSED again]

@Lookingforabus -i'm so sorry i'm new to this (forum typing) and i've spent over an hour trying to respond to your response and every time i post my
reply it shows in the final version in same area as your previous (original) posting which of course makes it look as if it was something you had originally said!. I wish it were clearer as to where i'm suppose to start typing so everything looks "correct". I'm not extremely pc adept, unfortunately.

Anyway, i cannot really make it to fabric stores. Thanks for your help. I noticed that the famous lady that use to make the exit bags sewed wide elastic at bottom of bag with no toggle (I cannot sew). I figure how good the elastic is is important. Amazon toggle/ cord locks seem to only have circa 8mm openings or smaller. Amazon sell Paracord Planet 2.5 mm shock cord that is very elastic and gets good reviews. I suppose since 2 strands would go through the toggle that it would be ok.

The other issue (post#22) regarding the Medline oxygen regulator there is a thread July 3rd " Max Dog regulator ridiculous price" in which @fister talked about using the Medline HCS5415M with 15lpm capability and a western enterprises 415 adapter - the model numbers are listed in thread. I don't know how to cut and paste that thread into this posting. SS poster @pane is nice and has referenced all of this a couple times on different threads. I am hoping some SS folks can get the two items and see if when they tinker with them everything is ok. There is an opinion that @fister was able to recently use these items to achieve ctb. Both items are on ebay fyi. The Max Dog regulator besides being expensive takes possibly up to 8 weeks to arrive from Australia. Thank you for all your insight on the subjects.

 

[Lookingforabus]

@Lookingforabus -i'm so sorry i'm new to this (forum typing) and i've spent over an hour trying to respond to your response and every time i post my
reply it shows in the final version in same area as your previous (original) posting which of course makes it look as if it was something you had originally said!. I wish it were clearer as to where i'm suppose to start typing so everything looks "correct". I'm not extremely pc adept, unfortunately.

No worries, but condolences on your troubles. Everyone has issues doing something for the first time, whether it's forum posting or bus catching. We've all been there.

Anyway, i cannot really make it to fabric stores. Thanks for your help. I noticed that the famous lady that use to make the exit bags sewed wide elastic at bottom of bag with no toggle (I cannot sew). I figure how good the elastic is is important. Amazon toggle/ cord locks seem to only have circa 8mm openings or smaller. Amazon sell Paracord Planet 2.5 mm shock cord that is very elastic and gets good reviews. I suppose since 2 strands would go through the toggle that it would be ok.

If it helps, what I ended up picking up at the fabric store were the same things I was looking at on Amazon, so I didn't end up needing the help, but it was nice to have someone who knew about fabric and such confirm what I'd read in Five Last Acts. The precise elastic used isn't that important - it just needs to draw the bag tight enough and hold it there - you could just as easily use something else, like a drawstring from an article or clothing. As long as it holds the bag at the proper tightness and the right kind of tape is used to secure the folded portion of the bag so the fold doesn't come loose, it should be sufficient. I recommend testing - my hood stayed inflated and everything held on place through one full discharge of my tank, so that's good to go in my case.

 

[pane]

@Lookingforabus -i'm so sorry i'm new to this (forum typing) and i've spent over an hour trying to respond to your response and every time i post my
reply it shows in the final version in same area as your previous (original) posting which of course makes it look as if it was something you had originally said!. I wish it were clearer as to where i'm suppose to start typing so everything looks "correct". I'm not extremely pc adept, unfortunately.

Cursed Again what I think you're doing is you see the "Reply" button in the lower right corner of someone's post that you want to respond to, you click "reply", type out your message and see the other person's post located above your intended reply and it confuses you.

If you want to respond to a specific message from a specific person THEN you click on "Reply" in the lower right corner. That will cause the other person's message to appear above yours. In essence, you're quoting that person. You'll see the word "quote" in capital letters in brackets above and below the post you've quoted.

If you want to post a message or ask a question without directing it to any specific person then you scroll down to the bottom of the screen where you'll see a gray-colored blank rectangular space with the words "Write your reply" in it. You type in your message there and when you're done you click on "Post Reply" and your message will be added to the thread without having quoted anyone else.

 

[CURSED again]

Cursed Again what I think you're doing is you see the "Reply" button in the lower right corner of someone's post that you want to respond to, you click "reply", type out your message and see the other person's post located above your intended reply and it confuses you.

If you want to respond to a specific message from a specific person THEN you click on "Reply" in the lower right corner. That will cause the other person's message to appear above yours. In essence, you're quoting that person. You'll see the word "quote" in capital letters in brackets above and below the post you've quoted.

If you want to post a message or ask a question without directing it to any specific person then you scroll down to the bottom of the screen where you'll see a gray-colored blank rectangular space with the words "Write your reply" in it. You type in your message there and when you're done you click on "Post Reply" and your message will be added to the thread without having quoted anyone else.

thanks @pane - i understand all you said (i appreciate it) my problem is when there is more than one original quote in the posting - i got my response for the second quote to be in right place but my response to first quote somehow continually became part of the first quote - i tinkered with it (even i was surprised i was having that much trouble) - i will just have to keep practicing i guess, etc - smile - so i gave up after an hour and just did #23 in the more common straightforward fashion. If i were good at all the pc stuff i would be on darknet and get what i could use. But its all so incredibly complicated.(especially if you want to be very safe). Tor, vpn, bitcoin etc etc bitcoin tumblers - I'm too old to deal with it all - i notice most of the forum are on the young side and very computer oriented. I cannot ask anyone i know for help with any of this stuff even simple computer glitches such as with this forum since they would retaliate against me for my desires like they did in the past.

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[justamortal]

i wonder is 25cm × 38cm enough for exitbag？

 

[miserable_existance]

i live in India , twice i refilled with Welding Nitrogen ,, twice i attempted i dont know what gas they refilled the cylinder with , all the time i was using a pulse oximter to monitor blood oxy level , it never dropped , if i were to do next time , i would surely get a nitrogen purity meter , handheld , it costs like 200-300 usdollars at present i cannot afford . may be in your country the people wouldnt fool people by refilling without pure nitrogen

 

[befree]

Why don´t you use a full face scuba mask and diving regulator instead ?