Existence if based on Suffering - The Prison and Suicide

[deathLiberation]

The moment the body is out of the womb, after the parasitic relationship with the host, the first thing the body does is starting a process of self-destruction.

Then we have to eat and drink water in order to keep the body from destroying itself. We do this because if we dont we suffer.

We cant choose not to eat. We have to.
Also we need to keep a varied diet. We need all sorts of nutrients that forces us to eat different stuff. In order to do that something must be destroyed or killed.
We cant choose not to drink water. We cant choose not to sleep.

The alternative, if we try to stop doing that, is suffering.
So there is no choice, it´s like we are in a prison.

To make the system even more sick. We are equipped with pain receptors and a survival instinct that prevents us from exiting the system.
We avoid suffering at all costs.
To be fair, most people on this website, if offered a life without suffering and where they didnt feel like crap everyday, they would not choose suicide. It´s not about dying, its about ending the stupid pain in whatever form has manifested.

We also have to be careful not to damage the body. And lucky to not be born with a broken one.

We all come here and communicate. We create. You have threads of art, music, etc We in our most basic essence as humans we are creators. We dont create more, because we are being targeted all the time. Suffering pain after pain.
It´s like there is a force that prevents us from expanding.

Imagining we are indeed in some sort of prison. Then escaping would be a major problem, for whatever being profits from all this suffering.

After we force ourselves, against all the shackles we have, if we actually kill ourselves, will we be free from the suffering?
Or will we face a trap? Some mechanism that will convince us to go back into this prison and suffer through a whole new cycle.

It´s not only about exiting this realm of existence. It´s also about being ready to face whatever comes after.

When watching NDEs and looking for the similarities, that based on them being from differnt people from different cultures makes the similarities a bit more "factual", i can see that most are guilt tripped at some point.
Why did you do that? Why didnt you help her? Why didnt you call him?
It´s never about all the good people have done, it´s about guilt tripping to the soul can be convinced more easily to get back for another round of "school".

It could be, that after comitting suicide, people are bombarded with love bombs of all past relatives and how they hurt them, how they miss you, etc. A guilt trip on steroids.

You can believe whatever you want, gods or nothing, but having all this fixed system based on suffering happening out of nowhere is very unlikely. We dont have an off button. Why?

Suicide should be very well thought not only methods, but also working on our conscious sovereignty. Imagine comitting suicide to get out of here and immediatly getting sucked back in.

PS: too sleepy now, may continue this later...

 

[FuneralCry]

I certainly see existence as just being an unnecessary burden, it's nothing more than a tragic and unfortunate consequence of evolution, and I do agree that it's so prison like being trapped in this decaying flesh prison. At least humans have awareness unlike animals to recognise that existing is futile and is just a cycle of endless suffering, while animals only act in a way in order to benefit their survival. But I personally just believe that death is the end of everything for us, we simply cease existing, any of the other theories are just fictional to me, I could never fear death itself, in fact I see it as being the only relief from the hell that is existing.

 

[OceanBlue]

The alternative, if we try to stop doing that, is suffering.
So there is no choice, it´s like we are in a prison.

Imagining we are indeed in some sort of prison. Then escaping would be a major problem, for whatever being profits from all this suffering.

I agree that existence is like a prison, regardless of how it came about we can recognize that it's unfair and stop participating. If you're saying that someone created it with this purpose, then they also need to be stopped.

It´s not only about exiting this realm of existence. It´s also about being ready to face whatever comes after.

You can believe whatever you want, gods or nothing, but having all this fixed system based on suffering happening out of nowhere is very unlikely.

We dont have an off button. Why?

Suicide should be very well thought not only methods, but also working on our conscious sovereignty. Imagine comitting suicide to get out of here and immediatly getting sucked back in.

Even if that kind of essence or soul existed, once my brain dies - it will no longer be me, so as far as I'm concerned I will die with my body.

We don't have an off button because the system is not concerned with our well-being, it selects traits that help to reproduce and then you're no longer needed. Humans did not always have as much consciousness, we lived like other animals and it's anthropocentric to assign them some kind of soul prisoner status, we are just like ants we step on - there's no meaning in how many live or die.

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What concerns me thinking about all this is that I don't understand why this world had to evolve into something so evil, at least it could be equally good and bad.

 

[leavingsoon99]

The moment the body is out of the womb, after the parasitic relationship with the host, the first thing the body does is starting a process of self-destruction.

Then we have to eat and drink water in order to keep the body from destroying itself. We do this because if we dont we suffer.

We cant choose not to eat. We have to.
Also we need to keep a varied diet. We need all sorts of nutrients that forces us to eat different stuff. In order to do that something must be destroyed or killed.
We cant choose not to drink water. We cant choose not to sleep.

The alternative, if we try to stop doing that, is suffering.
So there is no choice, it´s like we are in a prison.

To make the system even more sick. We are equipped with pain receptors and a survival instinct that prevents us from exiting the system.
We avoid suffering at all costs.
To be fair, most people on this website, if offered a life without suffering and where they didnt feel like crap everyday, they would not choose suicide. It´s not about dying, its about ending the stupid pain in whatever form has manifested.

We also have to be careful not to damage the body. And lucky to not be born with a broken one.

We all come here and communicate. We create. You have threads of art, music, etc We in our most basic essence as humans we are creators. We dont create more, because we are being targeted all the time. Suffering pain after pain.
It´s like there is a force that prevents us from expanding.

Imagining we are indeed in some sort of prison. Then escaping would be a major problem, for whatever being profits from all this suffering.

After we force ourselves, against all the shackles we have, if we actually kill ourselves, will we be free from the suffering?
Or will we face a trap? Some mechanism that will convince us to go back into this prison and suffer through a whole new cycle.

It´s not only about exiting this realm of existence. It´s also about being ready to face whatever comes after.

When watching NDEs and looking for the similarities, that based on them being from differnt people from different cultures makes the similarities a bit more "factual", i can see that most are guilt tripped at some point.
Why did you do that? Why didnt you help her? Why didnt you call him?
It´s never about all the good people have done, it´s about guilt tripping to the soul can be convinced more easily to get back for another round of "school".

It could be, that after comitting suicide, people are bombarded with love bombs of all past relatives and how they hurt them, how they miss you, etc. A guilt trip on steroids.

You can believe whatever you want, gods or nothing, but having all this fixed system based on suffering happening out of nowhere is very unlikely. We dont have an off button. Why?

Suicide should be very well thought not only methods, but also working on our conscious sovereignty. Imagine comitting suicide to get out of here and immediatly getting sucked back in.

PS: too sleepy now, may continue this later...

I look at it this way...

Anything that comes after this was going to come after it anyway. To attach some made up, human thought-out penalties on how one leaves this life is a bit nonsensical to me. I'm not attacking your idea. I get what you're saying. However, This is all prefaced on some idea that there's an "approved" or "right" way to die. I can't believe that in a world of chance.

 

[deathLiberation]

I agree that existence is like a prison, regardless of how it came about we can recognize that it's unfair and stop participating. If you're saying that someone created it with this purpose, then they also need to be stopped.


Even if that kind of essence or soul existed, once my brain dies - it will no longer be me, so as far as I'm concerned I will die with my body.

We don't have an off button because the system is not concerned with our well-being, it selects traits that help to reproduce and then you're no longer needed. Humans did not always have as much consciousness, we lived like other animals and it's anthropocentric to assign them some kind of soul prisoner status, we are just like ants we step on - there's no meaning in how many live or die.

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What concerns me thinking about all this is that I don't understand why this world had to evolve into something so evil, at least it could be equally good and bad.

If it´s so random, why would humans keep on being born with the same "base model". Heck a lot of celebrities are copy paste in their features. Like one dies and here comes another very similar to the late one.

Humans always come out the same, like other animals, this evolution system is so smart to make a frekin eyeball work, but not to bring other traits in like "a human born with wings". Even people with deformities, still keep the same structure, like arms, legs, hair, etc
Random, but following the same blueprint?

The body keeps us from doing more. This 3D reality too. I cant teleport with a thought, i cant exit this body and just fly with my conscious. If i want to make something i have to use materials i cant just imagine it and manifest it in reality.
There are so many limits on the material side that keep people frustrated. It seems to me that is more on purpose, than a random ocurrence.

Also i choose not to believe in history, it´s just a pile of secrets and lies, so humans evolving from whatever neandeartal is just a fairytale like gods and aliens. Or even this prison theory really.

Granted, you could be right, i dont know, you dont know, and in the end it could actually be "nothing" after death. Whatever concept of nothing we can conceive. I prefer to investigate a bit more and see what my intuition tells me and prepare, but if in the end its nothing, then good i guess, if nothing actually equals peace of course.

I look at it this way...

Anything that comes after this was going to come after it anyway. To attach some made up, human thought-out penalties on how one leaves this life is a bit nonsensical to me. I'm not attacking your idea. I get what you're saying. However, This is all prefaced on some idea that there's an "approved" or "right" way to die. I can't believe that in a world of chance.

You mean like a script? No matter what you do, how much you prepare, you will fall in line with whatever script was assigned. Yes, it could all be scripted.

You do have a point. Maybe thinking that suicide will make it difficult to exit this prison will only make it harder on yourself, for example. But im not exactly worried about the way we die, more of what comes next. We can assume it´s "nothing" or all "love and peace", but reading about other scenarios doesnt hurt. The fact is now one knows.