Everyone seems to leave so easily with partial… i guess we think too much…

[RN13]

I read it everywhere people found in closets or sitting or whatever etc.

Even a lot that happened as an accident.
Or with choking games.

it must be so damn easy…

Still i'm scared i'll fail. Not especially due to SI but in general… i have a very painfull disease. I just can't end up as a vegetable + this disease on top.
But i also can't use meds to do it. A person in nearby passed some time ago. And as i heard he just ook sleeping meds. Lucky people. I'm already damaged by meds, i can't risk it.

I wish i just could do partial like so many and just pass. But i guess that's everyones problem here.. overthinking doubting and researching

Full suspension is so fck'd and traumatizing to be found like that. The person hanging looks way worse too instead when going partial i believe. Partial is not that bad looking at all imo.

I guess i would have more guts to try partial if i was physically ok without a severe chronic pain condition.
Ugh.

 

[lkjhgfdsa1]

I feel you ..

 

[FuneralCry]

I'd also fear trying to die going wrong and leading to way worse suffering, it's truly so hellish how people cannot just have the option to easily die in a painless way with no risks, all I wish for is a peaceful death like never waking again.

 

[HallwayHugger]

I also fear not going all the way and turning into a vegetable. I was thinking of several ways I can implement fallback mechanisms that may kill me.
In the case of hanging I was thinking of maybe consuming a lethal cocktail of medicine. The cocktail should kill fast. I do not take into account pain as I should be unconscious if the hanging failed. This way if the hanging fails, the medicine takes care of you.

I am currently looking for AE for SN but did not find a source yet. If I can't find any I considered some more extreme options:

Long drop hanging is fast and painless but it is quite gruesome. It can also decapitate you.

Electric shock can be fast and painless if you know what you are doing.

Drinking a ton of alcohol and freezing to death in a cold winter night (?). I heard late stage freezing is euphoric.

 

[Ampsvx123]

Can't mention partial without mentioning weight. This one is fatphobic.

 

[lkjhgfdsa1]

Can't mention partial without mentioning weight. This one is fatphobic.

What?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm not sure who "everyone" is, but I don't think it's as easy as it seems. Sure, the "mechanics" of it aren't that complicated, but it's the tenacity, the will, the absolute hopelessness, the having to be at "rock bottom", that someone has had to have reached in order to go through with it, the same for any method, really.

 

[UKscotty]

Suicide is super easy, the body is way too fragile.

The hard part is being mentally and emotionally ready to CTB. It's the last resort, no turning back.

Be gentle on yourself, there is no rush.

 

[limeoctave]

seems like survivorship bias

 

[RN13]

I'm not sure who "everyone" is, but I don't think it's as easy as it seems. Sure, the "mechanics" of it aren't that complicated, but it's the tenacity, the will, the absolute hopelessness, the having to be at "rock bottom", that someone has had to have reached in order to go through with it, the same for any method, really.

It looks like it with the video 'how the choking game kills demonstrated' on youtube

 

[Don’tDoxMe]

If you end up as a vegetable, as, the actual vegetative state, you won't be able to feel any pain. The vegetative state is a complete lack of consciousness, like a coma is, just with regular wake/sleep cycles.

 

[Justnotme]

If you end up as a vegetable, as, the actual vegetative state, you won't be able to feel any pain. The vegetative state is a complete lack of consciousness, like a coma is, just with regular wake/sleep cycles.

Where did you read about this?
Seriously. I would like to read about it.
Because there is brain damage, because of which a person cannot speak, thinks very poorly, and learns to move again. In general, he returns to the age of a baby.

And there is a disability, after which the body is immobilized, but consciousness is preserved. The brain thinks well and is still able to transmit pain signals, despite the fact that a person can no longer move his body at all.

 

[Don’tDoxMe]

Where did you read about this?
Seriously. I would like to read about it.
Because there is brain damage, because of which a person cannot speak, thinks very poorly, and learns to move again. In general, he returns to the age of a baby.

And there is a disability, after which the body is immobilized, but consciousness is preserved. The brain thinks well and is still able to transmit pain signals, despite the fact that a person can no longer move his body at all.

Just research brain injury itself, and disorders of consciousness. Because you're correct in what you said (your second paragraph describes the locked-in syndrome) , but a severely brain injured person will, if they survive the initial incident, start off in a coma, and if they survive that, possibly go into a vegetative state, and if they survive THAT, *maybe* move on into minimally conscious state and then into full consciousness.

But the thing is is that many people who are that severely brain injured either die or remain stuck at one stage before they die after a few years at most. So what I'm saying is that it's possible for you to be aware, conscious, and suffering after something like a hanging, but there are a whole lotta hurdles you gotta jump first and that most people die before then, ether naturally or through life support being removed.

Brain injury is something of a special interest of mine because I've really wanted one since I was 12, for my own fucked up reasons.

 

[Darkover]

Suicide is super easy, the body is way too fragile.

yeah cause getting a chain saw and cut your self to pieces is super easy
if suicide was super easy nobody would be alive here suicide is one of the hardest thing you'll ever have to do

 

[RN13]

If you end up as a vegetable, as, the actual vegetative state, you won't be able to feel any pain. The vegetative state is a complete lack of consciousness, like a coma is, just with regular wake/sleep cycles.

Thanks for the info. I guess you're right in far stage brain damage. But i read about a girl online that hanged herself in the ward. She came out brain damaged and now plays with blocks like a disabled retarded person. In that stage i guess you still feel all the crap in the body.
But when severely comatose i guess not as you state

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Suicide is super easy, the body is way too fragile.

The hard part is being mentally and emotionally ready to CTB. It's the last resort, no turning back.

Be gentle on yourself, there is no rush.

No, it isn't. The human body has evolved to cling onto to life as hard as it can. Our bodies are more resilient then we give them credit for. I feel like you've never actually attempted before...

 

[ashtoreth]

If you end up as a vegetable, as, the actual vegetative state, you won't be able to feel any pain. The vegetative state is a complete lack of consciousness, like a coma is, just with regular wake/sleep cycles.

Are you entirely sure about that
I listened to a nurse who has worked with patients in a persistent vegetative state/waking coma for years, and sure they were not conscious, but still did react to stimuli with body functions (sweating, pulse, blood pressure, breathing etc). So I would be cautious with saying they don't feel pain. I would rather think they aren't consciously aware of it, but I don't think that means they can't feel it. If you have other information though, I'm interested.

 

[UKscotty]

No, it isn't. The human body has evolved to cling onto to life as hard as it can. Our bodies are more resilient then we give them credit for. I feel like you've never actually attempted before...

I said the physical part of suicide is easy, not the emotional part. That was the whole thing of my post. Clearly people misread it.

The emotional part is literally the hardest thing we can do.

I meant the physical part purely. A rope around the neck, a fall, being hit by a vehicle or 1001 other things will kill a human in an instant I meant. Physically fragile, not emotionally.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I said the physical part of suicide is easy, not the emotional part. That was the whole thing of my post. Clearly people misread it.

The emotional part is literally the hardest thing we can do.

I meant the physical part purely. A rope around the neck, a fall, being hit by a vehicle or 1001 other things will kill a human in an instant I meant. Physically fragile, not emotionally.

The physical part isn't easy. Hence the whole "the human body is resilient" thing that I stated in my other post. Did you even read that post?

 

[UKscotty]

The physical part isn't easy. Hence the whole "the human body is resilient" thing that I stated in my other post. Did you even read that post?

Maybe have to just agree to disagree. People die from tripping over or falling down the stairs. I believe CTB is an emotional challenge and journey, not a physical one.

Each to their own though.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Maybe have to just agree to disagree. People die from tripping over or falling down the stairs. I believe CTB is an emotional challenge and journey, not a physical one.

Each to their own though.

Yeah, you would have to hit your neck at certain angle for you to die from falling down the stairs and your chances of dying from falling down the stairs are likely not going to be that high if you are young. You are more likely to get injured than die, so I don't get how this proves your point.

It is hard to kill yourself physically, especially if you aren't using more violent methods.

 

[divinemistress36]

Just research brain injury itself, and disorders of consciousness. Because you're correct in what you said (your second paragraph describes the locked-in syndrome) , but a severely brain injured person will, if they survive the initial incident, start off in a coma, and if they survive that, possibly go into a vegetative state, and if they survive THAT, *maybe* move on into minimally conscious state and then into full consciousness.

But the thing is is that many people who are that severely brain injured either die or remain stuck at one stage before they die after a few years at most. So what I'm saying is that it's possible for you to be aware, conscious, and suffering after something like a hanging, but there are a whole lotta hurdles you gotta jump first and that most people die before then, ether naturally or through life support being removed.

Brain injury is something of a special interest of mine because I've really wanted one since I was 12, for my own fucked up reasons.

Why would you want a brain injury?

 

[TheLastBoyOnEarth]

i was reading a short story by an english xix century writer who suffered a traumatic brain injury and his whole personality changed after it, he became erratic and chaotic... brain injury is one of my worst fears.

 

[ForsakenShadow]

When I was practicing partial, I passed out on accident and almost died

I threw one end of the rope over a door and leaned against it to secure the rope as I was just trying to see what it would feel like if I actually attempted it. The last thing I remember was my vision getting darker and I woke up desperately trying to get the rope off my neck. I had urinated and the entire right side of my face was droopy. My right eye was completely bloodshot and I was seeing double for about an hour. If I had secured the rope, I would have died. Feeling confident it would work, I attempted the next week but I couldn't get myself to pass out no matter what, SI really is a bitch. The entire experience is similar to falling asleep - when your mind is racing it's almost impossible to pass out. You just have to be unaware or as calm as possible which is extremely hard due to SI and the reason why there are so many accidental partial hangings.

 

[ASp4E]

When I was practicing partial, I passed out on accident and almost died

I threw one end of the rope over a door and leaned against it to secure the rope as I was just trying to see what it would feel like if I actually attempted it. The last thing I remember was my vision getting darker and I woke up desperately trying to get the rope off my neck. I had urinated and the entire right side of my face was droopy. My right eye was completely bloodshot and I was seeing double for about an hour. If I had secured the rope, I would have died. Feeling confident it would work, I attempted the next week but I couldn't get myself to pass out no matter what, SI really is a bitch. The entire experience is similar to falling asleep - when your mind is racing it's almost impossible to pass out. You just have to be unaware or as calm as possible which is extremely hard due to SI and the reason why there are so many accidental partial hangings.

Sorry that happened to you, I would be so mad if I couldn't get to CTB after almost doing so on accident.

 

[limeoctave]

It is hard to kill yourself physically, especially if you aren't using more violent methods.

what is hard physically in N/Drugs/inert gas? they just might not be so available

it's not that hard physically, the brain can't live without oxygen and there are a lot of ways to get brain hypoxia by different methods

 

[EvisceratedJester]

what is hard physically in N/Drugs/inert gas? they just might not be so available

it's not that hard physically, the brain can't live without oxygen and there are a lot of ways to get brain hypoxia by different methods

Overdose would probably rank around low-moderate in regards to lethality. I'm not sure about inert gas, though I do remember carbon monoxide only having a lethality of around 70%, which while not low isn't necessarily super high. When looking at rankings of the most successful suicide methods (95% and above in lethality) the vast majority are usually violent, with the exception of cyanide poisoning.

Also, I don't get the point I mentioned the brain not being able to live without oxygen. The point I'm making is that claiming that killing yourself is easy and that people only struggle due to mental/emotional barriers is dumb when you literally have to fight against your own biology to die. Even with the methods you mentioned, depending on their execution, there is a chance that you'll just end up giving yourself severe brain damage instead of actually succeeding.

Even just looking at the difference in successful attempts between the elderly and those who are young potentially highlights this.

In young people (aged 15 – 24), the odds are between 100 and 200 to 1 against. The elderly seem a lot more successful at 4:1.

Suicide statistics - Lost All Hope

The first thing you should be aware of if you are trying to kill yourself is, the odds are against you. Yes, I’ll say that again – the odds are against you. According to the American Association of Suicidology (based on a SAMHSA study)1, there are 25 attempts at suicide for every one success. In...

lostallhope.com

 

[limeoctave]

Overdose would probably rank around low-moderate in regards to lethality. I'm not sure about inert gas, though I do remember carbon monoxide only having a lethality of around 70%, which while not low isn't necessarily super high. When looking at rankings of the most successful suicide methods (95% and above in lethality) the vast majority are usually violent, with the exception of cyanide poisoning.

Also, I don't get the point I mentioned the brain not being able to live without oxygen. The point I'm making is that claiming that killing yourself is easy and that people only struggle due to mental/emotional barriers is dumb when you literally have to fight against your own biology to die. Even with the methods you mentioned, depending on their execution, there is a chance that you'll just end up giving yourself severe brain damage instead of actually succeeding.

Even just looking at the difference in successful attempts between the elderly and those who are young potentially highlights this.

Suicide statistics - Lost All Hope

The first thing you should be aware of if you are trying to kill yourself is, the odds are against you. Yes, I’ll say that again – the odds are against you. According to the American Association of Suicidology (based on a SAMHSA study)1, there are 25 attempts at suicide for every one success. In...

lostallhope.com

then i need to clarify, by "physically hard", do you mean that it is difficult to execute the suicide to make it successful? or do you mean that the human body itself is difficult to kill and it will resist?

i want to understand, how the human body will resist in some methods, im just curious, maybe idk something

when you literally have to fight against your own biology to die.

what im trying to understand is how you have to fight against your biology, and what are the body's protective mechanisms for such methods as N/inert gas/drugs for example

 

[BardBarrie]

I think what people may be trying to say here is how the pain and physical trauma of suicide (such as in hanging) is very much physical and not just an emotional barrier.

What's stopping me is the fear of the physical pain, not some emotions.

 

[suffering_mo_7]

@RN13 I am right there with you..... when you have been so horribly damaged, you are afraid because your know things are bad but can always get worse. It's a feeling of being trapped deeper in hell.... because of my condition, I feel I can't stay and endure this pharma induced hell one more minute, yet there's no available way out that is peaceful or guaranteed to work/not make things worse.

i was reading a short story by an english xix century writer who suffered a traumatic brain injury and his whole personality changed after it, he became erratic and chaotic... brain injury is one of my worst fears.

@TheLastBoyOnEarth I have a brain injury now from my medical infusion; this, in addition to my whole nervous system being ruined. I am not the same mentally. It's hell. Definitely something to consider.