Discussion Euthanasia allowed for anyone: Mass suicides?

[art355]

If medical euthanasia was offered to anyone who wanted it would there be a rush of suicides? At first anyway.
I wonder if there would be mass suicides of poor and homeless people.
There has been fear of this discussed in Canada with the opening up for mental illness next year.

 

[Vanrock3000]

Interesting question, I don't know if the suicide rate would go up, but many suicides would come out of the shadows if it became social acceptable. People could plan them and let their acquaintances and family know instead of doing it in secret.

 

[lessonlearned]

yes i believe so. i know i would if i had that choice.

 

[AnnonyBox]

As long as there's a medical model for suicide, the answer is no, because there will be arbitrary stipulations forcing people to stay and suffer. Now, say, give everyone a Sarco capsule/helmet who wants one, and you'll probably see some increase. I think having the 'ammunition' to do the deed will probably make a lot of people stay, since it gives them a sense of control over their lives.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think there would be- if there weren't any medical criteria you had to meet.

Sometimes I wonder whether governments would be embarrassed by the number of people that wanted out if they were given a peaceful option- not that it's all their fault but I think a lot of people do hate living in a world the way it is run. Still, they'd probably only be concerned about their menial workforce diminishing and their image.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do believe that if absolutely anyone could request euthanasia and get their wishes accepted then of course there would be an increase in suicides. That is why the society restricts it in the first place, as they need workers.
There are so many people trapped in low quality lives who would likely choose suicide if there is no complicated internet research and planning involved, and no secrecy from others around them. It would be ideal though in my opinion to have euthanasia for everyone as nobody would have to die a painful suicide or worry about the method failing and it would prevent so much unnecessary suffering. I see non existence as always being preferable to living.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I think free medical euthanasia would not increase the suicide rate very much. If you want to die there is always a way, there is no need for medical euthanasia. The reason why the broad majority don´t commits suicide it that they want to life. The process of dying is not that deterring. Compared to all the ways you can die the popular suicide methods are not that bad and if you kill yourself you are sure that you have avoided all the more unpleasant ways to leave this world.

Having in mind the suicide rates in different countries and ages, I would say the living conditions and the social acceptance of suicide are the driving factors. In the classical antiquity for example suicide was courteous.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Hi

I don't believe that there would be much of an increase. Maybe at first.. I do think that if euthanasia was legal a lot of people would postpone knowing they have an option to leave at their choosing...

 

[Hercules]

I think that there are more suicidal people out there than people realize. Most of them just keep these thoughts to themselves, because they know what will happen if they tell someone. Some people really want to die, but are unable to go through with it, because they don't want to end up disabled or with brain damage if they fail. If suicide were socially acceptable and people were told that if they really wanted to end their life that they could go to a clinic and be guaranteed a peaceful death with no chance of failure, the suicide rate would increase.

 

[Euthanza]

There will be 1 million peaceful suicide each year among 8 billion worldwide growing population, that's 0,0125%. Even 100 times of that number is still 1,25% quick and peaceful death.

Voluntary euthanasia could never be bad idea as long as the protocol is not corrupted or misused.

Can you believe a major religion still practices beheading and stoning in public (literally) in 21st century, and their elites are among the most richest class in the world.

Euthanasia = good death, I don't understand the fear of euthanasia, do people really like bad death as long as it is natural? Only 10% of population are lucky enough because the dying process is fast enough (2 hours-2 days).

It's pathetic for the world to deny euthanasia and assisted suicide.
God is doing genocide each day, every second here but 90% of those are slow and horrible method.

 

[wait.what]

Imagine being an entire healthcare system and tattling on yourself that way … "Well, technically we have treatments for mental illness, but they're such shit that we expect an overwhelming demand for euthanasia the second mentally ill patients are allowed to apply."

In reality, I don't think that legalizing medically-assisted suicide for mental health conditions will drive up the overall suicide rate much at all. I'd expect that the number of people who add to their own misery via botched suicide attempts will go down, though.

 

[Julgran]

If medical euthanasia was offered to anyone who wanted it would there be a rush of suicides? At first anyway.
I wonder if there would be mass suicides of poor and homeless people.
There has been fear of this discussed in Canada with the opening up for mental illness next year.

If there's a need for mass suicide - either from a societal or personal level - there will be a way.

I'm thinking that the economy and fuel shortage may become so bad that it will be seen as a service to society to end one's life, in a not-too-distant future.

 

[Infernal]

I think free medical euthanasia would not increase the suicide rate very much. If you want to die there is always a way, there is no need for medical euthanasia. The reason why the broad majority don´t commits suicide it that they want to life. The process of dying is not that deterring. Compared to all the ways you can die the popular suicide methods are not that bad and if you kill yourself you are sure that you have avoided all the more unpleasant ways to leave this world.

Having in mind the suicide rates in different countries and ages, I would say the living conditions and the social acceptance of suicide are the driving factors. In the classical antiquity for example suicide was courteous.

You make it sound so easy. I think the process of dying is extremely deterring. I would not have made it into adulthood if physical pain wasn't an issue.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

You make it sound so easy. I think the process of dying is extremely deterring. I would not have made it into adulthood if physical pain wasn't an issue.

I know from personal experience that hanging for example is not painful at all. What keeps me from killing myself right now? Is the feeling that I could miss something good in life.
In this forum I have read many threads like this: "I got my N but I was not able to take it". What is the difference when the physician is ready to inject the lethal in injection and asks for the last time if you really want to die right now? When a person is not able to drink his N he will probably postpone the lethal injection in such a situation, it´s the survival instinct.

 

[Infernal]

I know from personal experience that hanging for example is not painful at all. What keeps me from killing myself right now? Is the feeling that I could miss something good in life.
In this forum I have read many threads like this: "I got my N but I was not able to take it". What is the difference when the physician is ready to inject the lethal in injection and asks for the last time if you really want to die right now? When a person is not able to drink his N he will probably postpone the lethal injection in such a situation, it´s the survival instinct.

I think people have different pain tolerance levels. I tried partial hanging just to see how it would feel and just the pressure from the weight of my body was too painful for me, plus it cut off my breathing. Then again I probably wasn't doing it right.

 

[Messgram]

I think free medical euthanasia would not increase the suicide rate very much. If you want to die there is always a way, there is no need for medical euthanasia. The reason why the broad majority don´t commits suicide it that they want to life. The process of dying is not that deterring. Compared to all the ways you can die the popular suicide methods are not that bad and if you kill yourself you are sure that you have avoided all the more unpleasant ways to leave this world.

Having in mind the suicide rates in different countries and ages, I would say the living conditions and the social acceptance of suicide are the driving factors. In the classical antiquity for example suicide was courteous.

I'm sure a lot of people here still don't ctb because they haven't found peaceful and safe ways to do this. Dying by your own hands takes a lot of effort and still has the SI factor.
If I could just press a button and disappear I would have done it a long time ago...

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I'm sure a lot of people here still don't ctb because they haven't found peaceful and safe ways to do this. Dying by your own hands takes a lot of effort and still has the SI factor.
If I could just press a button and disappear I would have done it a long time ago...

If you have a shotgun you just have to press a button (pull the trigger) and disappear. But I am sure it would still require a major effort.

 

[Messgram]

If you have a shotgun you just have to press a button (pull the trigger) and disappear.

There's a huge difference in just pressing a button, than get a gun to finally put it in my mouth and have the will to pull the trigger. I mean, the SI is much stronger with a gun...

also:
1- where can I get the shotgun?

2- there is a chance it fails and I end up just horribly deformed

3-not everyone is willing to face a gorish death and it doesn't compare to euthanasia, where you will have experienced doctors accompanying you to ensure a decent and peaceful death.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

There's a huge difference in just pressing a button, than get a gun to finally put it in my mouth and have the will to pull the trigger. I mean, the SI is much stronger with a gun...

also:
1- where can I get the shotgun?

2- there is a chance it fails and I end up just horribly deformed

3-not everyone is willing to face a gorish death and it doesn't compare to euthanasia, where you will have experienced doctors accompanying you to ensure a decent and peaceful death.

I know this feeling, I lay in my bed and which that I will not wake up next morning. But I know that my wish will not be fulfilled. If I knew my wish will come true I would be very careful what I wish. In this case falling asleep would be like pulling a trigger with the same impact on SI.

To your points:
1- In my country I only have to become a member in a rifle club or get a hunting license and there are also illegal ways.
2- Compared to a gun the chance to fail is much smaller with a shotgun and you can use mirrors as a aiming support.
3 - A shotgun is much faster than a lethal injection, you experience your dying even if it is "peaceful".

 

[Lily (Osako)]

I assume there would be, but I don't see a problem with it.
I actually think if we had the option to do it in a group (not mandatory, but optional) and we could choose who we wanted to go with, etc, it would be less scary.
Something like this should be as compassionate, comforting, loving.