Which do you think mostly motivates your ideation:

  • Egoistic suicide

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • Altruistic suicide

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anomic suicide

    Votes: 13 40.6%
  • Fatalistic suicide

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Total voters
    32
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Forever Sleep

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Have you heard of them? Which do you think you are? Thinking about it, I think we have members from all groups. Sorry- don't have time to write out the definitions here today but, they are described in the article below:

egoistic suicide, altruistic suicide, anomic suicide and fatalistic suicide.

 
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First I've heard of this but I definitely fall under the 'egoistic suicide' camp. I am an observer of life and society, not a participant.
 
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Aug 1, 2024
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Have you heard of them? Which do you think you are? Thinking about it, I think we have members from all groups. Sorry- don't have time to write out the definitions here today but, they are described in the article below:

egoistic suicide, altruistic suicide, anomic suicide and fatalistic suicide.

I'm not familiar with the types or of Durkheims thoughts on the subject but I do know about Emile Durkheim and the fact that he did research on suicide and I've always been curious about his book on it and tbh just Durkheim in general. I'll give this a read. Thank you for your post.

Edit: read through the article. Throughout my life egoistic suicide has been a persistent theme that fit me most closely. It still persists as a form of suicide that I relate to and that characterizes my own suicidal feelings. However, over the past year anomic style suicidal feelings have displaced egoistic as the predominant role in my suicidal intentions.

Tl;dr I'm both egoistic and anomic.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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I've never heard of Durkheim but ik there are different classification of suicides. According to Durkheim's definition my suicide will be an anomic suicide. In other words how I would define my case it's a "balance sheet suicide" and "rational suicide"
 
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Have you heard of them? Which do you think you are? Thinking about it, I think we have members from all groups. Sorry- don't have time to write out the definitions here today but, they are described in the article below:

egoistic suicide, altruistic suicide, anomic suicide and fatalistic suicide.

i think i am in too much physical and psychological pain, primarily from being the victim of sexual violence but also from unethical and demeaning treatment from the mental health industry that makes me unwilling to see any doctors

the options all relate to suicide in the context of society and im not sure thats the main reason

but the cruelty and financial exploitation of the government doesn't help
 
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Forever Sleep

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I've never heard of Durkheim but ik there are different classification of suicides. According to Durkheim's definition my suicide will be an anomic suicide. In other words how I would define my case it's a "balance sheet suicide" and "rational suicide"

I'd only vaguely heard of them but, it looked interesting to post. I haven't looked all that carefully yet myself to be honest to decide. I think some of us will fall in multiple descriptions. I reckon all will be represented though. No one has voted on it as yet but I'd say those who want to CTB to avoid feeling like a burden fall in the altruistic type.
i think i am in too much physical and psychological pain, primarily from being the victim of sexual violence but also from unethical and demeaning treatment from the mental health industry that makes me unwilling to see any doctors

the options all relate to suicide in the context of society and im not sure thats the main reason

but the cruelty and financial exploitation of the government doesn't help

Firstly, I'm so sorry for your experiences and situation.

Yes- that's true though. This does seem to be more about how a person fits or, doesn't fit into society. Whereas I'm sure that pain of whatever cause is a major reason for so many lives becoming untenable.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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I'd only vaguely heard of them but, it looked interesting to post. I haven't looked all that carefully yet myself to be honest to decide. I think some of us will fall in multiple descriptions. I reckon all will be represented though. No one has voted on it as yet but I'd say those who want to CTB to avoid feeling like a burden fall in the altruistic type.
I don't think that it is possible to draw a clear line in between the 4 types. In many cases, it will be a mix of many factors not just a single factor.
 
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My suicide will be egoistic and anomic.
 
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Have you heard of them? Which do you think you are? Thinking about it, I think we have members from all groups. Sorry- don't have time to write out the definitions here today but, they are described in the article below:

egoistic suicide, altruistic suicide, anomic suicide and fatalistic suicide.

Thanks - that was a good read! I´m in the "fatalistic" category eventhough I´m not famous yet.
 
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Jun 20, 2023
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None of these fit me. If I had killed myself (doubt I will anymore), it would've been primarily because of the anhedonia and dissociation I have lived with for years, and the resultant ennui and nihilism. An attempt to resolve the internal discord resulting from this living but not living.

I don't think it's possible to identify a number of discrete categories of suicides. It's just more nuanced than that. This framework seeks to explain suicides through the individual in question's relationship with society, and while I'm sure that relationship is a contributing factor for many of us, I don't think it has sufficient explanatory value for the framework to be very useful.
 
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I think mine will be Anomic but partly Egoistic. I am very socially isolated, but I had my girlfriend which is all I needed. She broke up with me suddenly and now my life is ruined.
 
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Thanks for posting this @Forever Sleep .

I agree mostly with @needthebus and @jar-baby that these categories are about how an individual relates to society, and for many of us, I don't think that would be interesting regarding why we think about CTB.

As far as I recall, Emile Durkheim is considered to be one of the founders of the field of sociology. So that's what his categorization is about. I wonder how current sociologists view his work today.
 
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Forever Sleep

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Thanks for posting this @Forever Sleep .

I agree mostly with @needthebus and @jar-baby that these categories are about how an individual relates to society, and for many of us, I don't think that would be interesting regarding why we think about CTB.

As far as I recall, Emile Durkheim is considered to be one of the founders of the field of sociology. So that's what his categorization is about. I wonder how current sociologists view his work today.

That makes sense- Sociology. I'm so ignorant, I didn't even know that! I just came across it while I was looking for something else and thought it looked interesting. I agree with people here though- that it's a lot more nuanced than using such broad strokes. Still, I think it's interesting to think about the nature of our ideation. Maybe more so if we are trying to stop it. I would imagine this kind of thing would be motivated by working out the reasons why people become suicidal and, how to help them maybe.

I'm not sure we even had Sociology as an option in my school. Sounds like quite a noble subject. Is the idea to study the impact of society/ culture on individuals to hope to try and make it better? Or, do they just observe passively? It must be interesting I would think.
 
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ijustwishtodie

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I think that the one that closely resembles me here is fatalistic suicide. One of my reasons for wanting to ctb is because society's demands are too high for me and I don't have the ability or motivation to achieve what they want from me. That said, I do have other reasons for killing myself which wouldn't fit in any of these definitions, an example being at how I want an earlier death so that I suffer less in existence overall. This has nothing to do with social norms but rather how existence itself contains a lot of suffering all of which is painful and could happen to me at any random day
 
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another part of it is my expectation of future unhappiness

even if i were to improve some of my horrible medical issues that I haven't treated at all due to poverty and fear of doctors and hospitals, I still don't think i would be happy

i also feel incredibly victimized by how i was treated when i was involuntarily hospitalized and there's no resolution for that. feeling like i was victimized by the mental health industry... what's the solution? using more of my resources and time engaging with the mental health industry? that's literally the standard solution. i likely have ptsd from that hospital, and the solution to ptsd caused by the mental health industry would be MORE mental health industry, there's not a solution that doesn't make me feel more exploited and victimized

i'm also really angry about how i was treated, both in terms of being the victim of sexual violence and how i was treated by my captors. I can't even talk about these things in any treatment context given how unstable i am without ending up in a very similar situation again, locked up and exploited

so there's no low-risk medical interactions i can have; any interaction with any doctor puts me at risk of cruel treatment. additionally, although I was never diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder, it was debated when I was involuntarily hospitalized as to whether I could have that, and in certain states that alone can be justification for holding someone in a facility indefinitely. The standard is somewhat murky, but a facility that wanted to hold me could just slap a label like that on me, add in some other stuff, and hold me forever. Any contact with a doctor is a risk of psychological torture for me. It's too risky and it's better me to just stay away.

I can't objectively imagine they wouldn't lock me up if I were honest with them. If I were a doctor and a patient came in and said "I'm suicidal and really angry, I'm planning on ending my life sooner or later but could impulsively do it at any point, I have no problem with medications but I hate doctors and will not see doctors or medical professionals on an ongoing basis because I hate those fucks, did I mention I am angry and feel victimized?" I think if I were a doctor I would be ethically bound to hospitalize that person. There's no good option for me other than not doing anything and just eventually committing suicide.

i have about 5 major medical problems right now that I know of that I am neglecting that aren't psychiatric, I don't really have the money to deal with them. And like, why endure all that pain... for what? Some solutions to medical problems would likely involve pain. I want to die anyway. Who am I going to date? How do I date as someone horrible violently victimized during sex who has flashbacks during sex, who sometimes has panic attacks during sex? I'm always going to be alone, I want to be alone at this point.

How can I have friends? "Oh are you dating anyone?" How do I answer that? I am not fun, I am miserable, it's toxic and people don't want to be around it, and there's really no way around that. My career sucks and my career trajectory and financial wellness were negatively impacted by being involuntarily held. It just sucks, I really got nothing out of being involuntarily held except more psychological trauma and I'm now too distrustful to even deal with that because treatment involves the very sort of mental health professionals who were my captors and were cruel to me. On the positive side, at least I didn't develop Stockholm Syndrome.

I think the likelihood of my being happy in the future is close to a 0 percent chance. I feel like the amount I have to work to live and the amount of happiness I get in return is exploitative of me. I feel like I am being victimized by society. I actually would like to work part-time, but I can't do that. There's disability and if you work even a little, it's nearly impossible to get back on it.

I am also always scared of forced treatment now and forced interaction with corrupt mental health professionals and it affects how I live, what I do. I am always prepared to flee should I feel like forced treatment could be demanded. I wish I had died in my last suicide attempt. I am also so scared of forced treatment that I sometimes feel like I should speed up my plans and kill myself faster than I was planning.

No one even believes I was attacked. It's just awful. It wasn't just like rape and violation and pain, it was sudden unwanted sexual sadism that left me injured and I still get fucking pain from what was done. When I was involuntarily held, people didn't even always believe me and they violated my privacy and made me talk about it in groups of mean prejudiced religious people if I wanted to leave. I felt like I was forced to share things with people I didn't want, like once again I had no choices. It made things so much worse and made me so much angrier, and if I had told those doctors that they only would have inflicted more pain.

I can't even fathom being happy in the future. I can't envision a reality in which I want to live, I can't change things in my mind so that things are better enough. After what I've lived through and the pain, and the ongoing pain in part due to unresolved medical issues, I just want death. Some medical issues I had when I was locked up but I didn't want to mention it to them because there was no privacy in the involuntary treatment center and they were mean to people.

I'm just tired of pain and everyone being so fucking mean to me.
 
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