Dumbest thing i heard against assisted dying.

[dust-in-the-wind]

I was watching a debate for my US state yesterday on this issue. The naysayers say it will open up pandoras box for depressed, handicapped, disabled ect to be allowed to kill themselves. So what! It's their choice But the worse thing said was if people want to commit suicide there are plenty of ways they can do it themselves and we don't need MAID.
How ignorant a statement. Like it's so easy to successfully cbt on your own,.never mind the trauma to family and who finds your body. God forbid we have a peaceful option where we could be surrounded by loved one(s). So my US state held back the bill for further study. Pisses me off!

 

[greebo6]

We have exactly same thing , and same kind of stupid arguments against giving people an end of life choice , going on here in the U.K at the moment as an Assisted Dying Act is , with great difficulty , trying to become law.
Sadly I suspect it wont make it through the due process and will be , if you'll excuse the pun , be killed off.

 

[6138]

I was watching a debate for my US state yesterday on this issue. The naysayers say it will open up pandoras box for depressed, handicapped, disabled ect to be allowed to kill themselves. So what! It's their choice But the worse thing said was if people want to commit suicide there are plenty of ways they can do it themselves and we don't need MAID.
How ignorant a statement. Like it's so easy to successfully cbt on your own,.never mind the trauma to family and who finds your body. God forbid we have a peaceful option where we could be surrounded by loved one(s). So my US state held back the bill for further study. Pisses me off!

Except that people *can't* do it themselves without being locked in a psych ward!

Several countries already have euthanasia laws, and there has not been a significant problem as a result. There has not been a "slippery slope" effect, where people are ending their lives for less and less serious reasons, etc.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Dejected 55]

IF people were truly being sincere about the "slippery slope" argument, then that is a conversation that could be had. It's just that it almost never is sincere. I don't want to go to too many random places, but...

People trying to ban transgender women from women's sports are mostly people who don't give a crap about women's sports and many of them are people who actively fought against Title IX for women's sports back in the day. Like, 5 minutes ago they couldn't give a damn about women's sports, but now they care supposedly about "fair competition" against trans females? Again, there is maybe a conversation to be had about some sports and physicality, maybe, but 99% of the folks screaming about "it isn't fair" don't actually know, care, or want to know truth.

And there's gay marriage. All the folks that want to argue against gay marriage that say "what's next, animals?" aren't even trying to pretend to care. Can a goat give consent? Not as we define it legally, so no... there is 0% chance any slippery slope could lead to man-goat marriage. It's just nonsense. Oh, but just you try and raise the age of consent to adult age in a state here in the US! Seriously, watch all those folk come out of the woodwork to defend the 75 year old man being allowed to marry the 14 year old girl because he conned (or paid) their parents for the "right" to do it so he can. have sex with an underage girl that otherwise wouldn't be legal. But folks will try their damn best to thwart lesbians and gay men in love or transgender folks from being happy with their adult partners over the fear of "slippery slope."

How about... rich people have too much power. Where's that slippery slope? Can't let rich people and politicians get away with something the rest of us can't, because THAT slippery slope happens every day, right? Except, nobody says boo about that slippery slope.

Back on topic post rant...

I get how sincere caring people might have concern over making it "too easy" for people who want to die because of a momentary struggle. That impulse can be hard to fight and maybe if it is harder to die you are "forced" to ride that moment and come out the other side and are glad you did. Cool. But are we doing that for gun control? Same folks who are fighting right to die are the same folks preventing background checks that would prevent people with mental illness from obtaining those weapons or at least make it more difficult. But, "slippery slope" and all... making it harder to get guns is too much to ask, right?

I think the argument for euthanasia, assisted or otherwise, for people in lots of pain or terminal illnesses is an easier pill to swallow for any reasonable person who cares. When quality of life i very low and the person is able to be self-aware and ask to be let go it is an easier argument. I mean, we put down pets for less problems, without those pets getting a say, right? Maybe that sick dog wanted to stay around another year to be with his favorite human. We don't know... but we put our pets to death about as much so we don't have to see them suffer as we do to ease that pet's suffering.

In conclusion... so what if assisted suicide for serious medical problems makes it easier, slipper slope and all, for people who are "merely" depressed to also do it. Who am I to decide whether you have to stay here or not? Why do I get a vote to make you stay here and suffer if you don't want to be here?

IF there is a fear that making suicide too easy would mean a wave of suicides... doesn't that say something about the human condition and our society that maybe we ought to be working to make life better for everyone?

You know... IF we wanted to... there is no reason for anyone to be homeless or hungry, and most basic medical needs could be taken care of as well. The millionaires and billionaires would not even notice the sacrifice from the top to level the playing field at the bottom. Want to help stop unwanted suicides IF you truly care? Let's start there. Give people reasons to want to live, less struggles in their life to divert them from their desired path. Then, maybe we can start being kinder to everyone. Don't go out of your way to make someone's life miserable just for your amusement or progress. That would lift a whole chunk of other suicidal people from the depths.

But don't try and sell me on the "slippery slope" because you "care" or whatever. Those people don't care one bit.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Yeah it's crazy how they don't seem to give a crap if people do it themselves yet claim to think life is so sacred. Also goes to show they've never had to think about actually doing it if they think it's that easy. They're very lucky they haven't had to be in the position to seriously contemplate it.

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

These people are so cruel. They are monsters who believe themselves heroes. Makes me sick that anyone but ME gets a vote on what happens to my body.

Fuck humans.

 

[fallingbehind]

Super pro-life people make me sick. How can you think your religion or whatever should overrule MY bodily autonomy? Mind you they dont actually give a shit about you or your suffering, they just need wage slaves.

 

[divinemistress36]

And then these people complain about their tax payer dollars funding the disabled who cant work and could care less if we cant support ourself or have poor quality of life , yet dont think we think we should be able to ctb..

 

[LetMeOut67]

They hate us anyway if we are mentally struggling
They see us as weak and society hates the weak no matter what they say
They know life is unbearable for us the sadistic bastards
As someone once said if you hate someone make them fucking live

 

[FuneralCry]

That is just so cruel to me, I always suffer so much from being so cruelly denied the option to die painlessly in an guaranteed way, it's just so horrific to me how wanting to cease existing is seen as a crime with the suffering and torture of human existence seen as to force and prolong no matter what. All I hope for is to never wake ever again, I wish for no more pain and no more suffering and it's just so terrifying to me how even trying to cease existing can go wrong and lead to way more unbearable suffering as a result, I'd just always prefer to not exist than be burdened with this cruel, torturous existence no matter what but of course I never should had suffered at all.

 

[22yearsbroken]

We have exactly same thing , and same kind of stupid arguments against giving people an end of life choice , going on here in the U.K at the moment as an Assisted Dying Act is , with great difficulty , trying to become law.
Sadly I suspect it wont make it through the due process and will be , if you'll excuse the pun , be killed off.

I think its going to be tough for it to pass in england.. scotland are getting there with it.. and its has been made legal niw in the Isle Of Man.. as the IOM is crown dependancy the king has already agreed to tbis to be legalised there.. ao tgey may be some hope ..but its not going to be aomething i see happening within my time frame...

 

[Forveleth]

if people want to commit suicide there are plenty of ways they can do it themselves and we don't need MAID.

Ok, great. Are you going to get rid of mandatory psych holds and welfare checks? Are you going to tell EMS workers to honor the piece of paper that I have on my bedroom door saying "Don't save me"? Legislators can not beat their chest about how they care so much about making suicide difficult and "saving people" and then say "it's easy, everyone can do it" when it suits their argument. I hate these people.