Don't you hate YogaTeachers/Doctors/etc/* who say the care and appreciate you, they want to help you, BUT they charge a TON for their service?

[MAIO]

Manners clearly are beyond you, aren't they? Next time try to indicate what exactly you don't agree with and at least try to be polite: that's how a discussion among grown-ups enfolds.

I do not claim to be all-knowing and it's perfectly possible something I wrote is incorrect but I do not take kindly to your sort of crude verbal aggression.

Nowhere in his original post does the OP refer to living in the US nor do I refer to the US in my reply yet you conclude I commented on that topic... In most countries it is actually the case healthcare is affordable and what is considered expensive is determined by what the majority in that profession charges.

My bad, one of my older friends died as a result of not being able to afford insulin recently and it really pissed me off. (actually like living) I would of helped if they would of asked. Apparently 50k people die in America each year due to not being able to afford medical expenses etx

 

[not_a_robot]

My bad, one of my older friends died as a result of not being able to afford insulin recently and it really pissed me off. (actually like living) I would of helped if they would of asked. Apparently 50k people die in America each year due to not being able to afford medical expenses etx

and 250, 000 a year die from lazy incompetent malicious Doctors, not that anyone is counting...

 

[snowman626]

When they say they care about you its fake, like escorts fake love, once the money stops the caring stops

 

[not_a_robot]

When they say they care about you its fake, like escorts fake love, once the money stops the caring stops

HA! if only escorts could stop caring when the money stops!
it's a popular misconception though.

 

[snowman626]

HA! if only escorts could stop caring when the money stops!
it's a popular misconception though.

I thought escorts only pretend for the money, no?

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Nonsense. Medical services in America are the most expensive in the world while having poor outcomes, as shown by the most Important metrics such as life expectancy and infant mortality. Medical services In America are equivalent to owning all the water In America, saying I will tell you how much it cost after you drink it and than making the same bullshit arguments you are.

I'd love to see the stats that equate life expectancy in US solely to medical care. Life expectancy has plenty to do with the choices people are making such as supersizing all these nasty greasy fast foods they eat. That is personal choice. No doctor is making you stuff crap down your throat and not exercise.

Infant mortality is a different issue and is more so affiliated with people who dont have access to high quality healthcare or cant afford healthcare at all. In fact parents who are able to take their kids to the doctor typically have better outcomes than those who dont.

As a person who lives in a capitalist society without socialized medicine I understand the rules of the society that I live in. I made a personal choice not to have children when I couldnt afford proper care. I'm sorry but populating the world is a personal choice imo. If I felt like I have the right to have children I cant afford I'd move to Canada otherwise call myself delusional.

 

[dandan]

I'm not sure what your gripe is exactly: is it that these people charge too much for their services in your opinion or that they pretend to care about you personally?

Yes, that what this post was all about... not that I want a free service like many people said, or "they got to get paid" , sure they do!

but my "gripe" is that they do pretend to care about me personally... many of them... what a load of bs, they didnt needed to pretend, but they did

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Yes, that what this post was all about... not that I want a free service like many people said, or "they got to get paid" , sure they do!

but my "gripe" is that they do pretend to care about me personally... many of them... what a load of bs, they didnt needed to pretend, but they did

Based on your post, your expectations or "test" for determining whether a doctor cares is that:

1. they call you in between visits
2. do things for lower costs
3. go out of their way for you
4. do things not normally expected in a patient/doctor relationship

Doctors are service providers, not friends.

These expectations / "tests" are unreasonable, therefore you will never get the end result you desire. As a result of the unreasonable expectation you are now harboring anger at an entire population of people who are performing a service using standards that most would consider reasonable.

If a person continues to maintain expectations that are unreasonable about many things in life that person sets himself up to be disappointed about many things in life. A more productive way to operate in the world be to exam the assertions one makes about life and adjust one's views according to what's reasonable and standard. If you start with a faulty premise you get a faulty result. Its just that simple.

Canada has socialized medicine however I doubt those doctors are calling their patients in between visits. So your tests wouldn't pass there either and as such no doctor could satisfy you. Who knows...there may even be doctors in Canada who provide sh*tty services and don't care because they aren't incentivized to provide better service since they are all paid the same anyway.

I don't know everything about Canadian healthcare. However I do know for a fact that some people in Canada are taxed up to 47% of their checks to fund a healthcare system that they don't use and those people getting "overtaxed" are likely just as unhappy as you are but for different reasons. There are imperfections in every societal system.

 

[dandan]

I'm not talking about doctors , specifically, I'm talking about human beings or people who said "they really CARE for me". A doctor doesn't or didn't has to said that, specifically about those who said it, yeah I hate it , cause it was a lie.

Why would they say it? Nobody asked them too, they just want to see you /me again and get paid....

Nobody has said any valid argument to change my mind.....

 

[oopswronglife]

Why would they say it? Nobody asked them too, they just want to see you /me again and get paid....

It's not so black and white. Some people who provide services are entirely in it for the money and you are a means to and end. Others DO care and worry/sympathise/empathise etc, but the truth is if it ever comes down to you or them they will pick their paycheck every time. They aren't going to risk their licensure or see you for free if you can't pay...even if it would be the ethical thing for them to do. This is the shit system we live in where money matters more than people and doing the right thing isn't profitable.

 

[Ruffian]

I would also feel pressured into talking with them if they called me, and might feel violated or stalked but not have the guts to say I don't like it.

This. I actually was stalked by a therapist I quit. I don't want any therapist calling me unless its to change our appointment.

 

[TAW122]

Yes I do, and about the caring part I believe it is partially due to being politically and socially correct as well as adhering to their organization's (or overseeing power's) ethics as well as moral conduct. I don't like the fact that healthcare in the US is so fucked up on so many levels, costing a lot, and what not (which is another topic altogether). The other problem is (even assuming someone who is really rich and can afford services/care/medication/etc.) that there is no guarantee of help and what not. I do trust medical doctors more than psychiatrists, psychologists, and therapists, counselors, etc. I believe that the industry and field itself is a psuedo-science and also not always honest or objective enough with their treatment (which is also why the field of psychiatry is a pseudo-science and not a concrete science like other fields).

Finally, I hate the fact that most people spew off see a counselor, therapist, get help like they are doing the lord's work or something like that. Lazy advice or unhelpful advice is about as bad as no advice at all. Plus, it is not only dismissive, condescending, and insulting towards the vulnerable person. Said person (most likely) already knows about mental health services, they don't need that to be shoved into their face while ignoring their problems. Furthermore, (this is also coming from someone who has been to many therapists, counselors, and psychologists) these so called professionals don't really help or do much for me or most people. I came to them to find a solution, not to cope or just talk about my feelings about the issues I have in life. They really are a joke in my experience (again, I can't speak for all) and I personally would not waste anymore of my time, money, energy with them. I am simply just going solo in life and finding solutions on my own, but failing that, well I'll just CTB.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yes I do, and about the caring part I believe it is partially due to being politically and socially correct as well as adhering to their organization's (or overseeing power's) ethics as well as moral conduct. I don't like the fact that healthcare in the US is so fucked up on so many levels, costing a lot, and what not (which is another topic altogether). The other problem is (even assuming someone who is really rich and can afford services/care/medication/etc.) that there is no guarantee of help and what not. I do trust medical doctors more than psychiatrists, psychologists, and therapists, counselors, etc. I believe that the industry and field itself is a psuedo-science and also not always honest or objective enough with their treatment (which is also why the field of psychiatry is a pseudo-science and not a concrete science like other fields).

Finally, I hate the fact that most people spew off see a counselor, therapist, get help like they are doing the lord's work or something like that. Lazy advice or unhelpful advice is about as bad as no advice at all. Plus, it is not only dismissive, condescending, and insulting towards the vulnerable person. Said person (most likely) already knows about mental health services, they don't need that to be shoved into their face while ignoring their problems. Furthermore, (this is also coming from someone who has been to many therapists, counselors, and psychologists) these so called professionals don't really help or do much for me or most people. I came to them to find a solution, not to cope or just talk about my feelings about the issues I have in life. They really are a joke in my experience (again, I can't speak for all) and I personally would not waste anymore of my time, money, energy with them. I am simply just going solo in life and finding solutions on my own, but failing that, well I'll just CTB.

There are different types of therapy. In fact there's a kind literally called "solution-focused brief therapy" that does exactly what you're asking for.

 

[Ruffian]

Yes I do, and about the caring part I believe it is partially due to being politically and socially correct as well as adhering to their organization's (or overseeing power's) ethics as well as moral conduct. I don't like the fact that healthcare in the US is so fucked up on so many levels, costing a lot, and what not (which is another topic altogether). The other problem is (even assuming someone who is really rich and can afford services/care/medication/etc.) that there is no guarantee of help and what not. I do trust medical doctors more than psychiatrists, psychologists, and therapists, counselors, etc. I believe that the industry and field itself is a psuedo-science and also not always honest or objective enough with their treatment (which is also why the field of psychiatry is a pseudo-science and not a concrete science like other fields).

Finally, I hate the fact that most people spew off see a counselor, therapist, get help like they are doing the lord's work or something like that. Lazy advice or unhelpful advice is about as bad as no advice at all. Plus, it is not only dismissive, condescending, and insulting towards the vulnerable person. Said person (most likely) already knows about mental health services, they don't need that to be shoved into their face while ignoring their problems. Furthermore, (this is also coming from someone who has been to many therapists, counselors, and psychologists) these so called professionals don't really help or do much for me or most people. I came to them to find a solution, not to cope or just talk about my feelings about the issues I have in life. They really are a joke in my experience (again, I can't speak for all) and I personally would not waste anymore of my time, money, energy with them. I am simply just going solo in life and finding solutions on my own, but failing that, well I'll just CTB.

Sometimes going solo for awhile is the best thing you can do for yourself. I finally found a therapist who isn't threatened by me taking a break, and it's kind of joke. I tell him I'll be on a walkabout and call him when I'm done. I am still recovering from an extremely controlling and downright abusive therapist before him. She had me brainwashed to do everything she said. She actually had me borrow money if I couldn't see her that week. I think that's a perfect example of her not really caring about my life. I finally cut the cord when she told me I couldn't see the man I've now been with for 8 years. She just boreassed me constantly telling me I needed time alone, I just got out of a relationship, I have a degree and he doesn't, I make more money. What a cunt. I probably would still be alone if I listened to her. I'd punch her the face if I saw on the street, but she'd make it about me instead of admitting she deserved it. Your second paragraph is really spot-on and well put. I think maybe 5% of therapists are actual human beings under their professional, faux helpful gaze. I do like the one I see now. He lets me slide when I can't pay and lets me pay it back slowly later. He doesn't charge that much either. He's one of those guys who works in a really rich area, listening to people complain about minute problems. I think he sees me to break up the boredom, since I have real problems. Yeah, man, good luck with it.

And can I just chime in once more on this thread because I also have to agree that Yoga Teachers or anyone spouting Eastern Philosophy, Mindfulness, Meditation, Enlightenment, whatever are the absolute worst. If you teach Yoga, and you're not Indian, I have no time for your spiritual advice based off of combining exercise with feel good, glib solutions. It is such a disgusting example of cultural appropriation they should be bitch slapped. There is so much more to the yogic tradition that these charlatans don't understand. The Vedas, Kali Yuga, The Mahavidyas of the Left-Hand Path and Consorts to Shiva to name a few. I could go on and on. I apologize if you were seeing an actual yogi or yogini from India or Tibet in the Hindu or Tantic Buddhist tradition. They make you pay too though. Gotta keep those temples running.