"Don't CTB because I will be sued"

[Lutembëe]

I told my psychiatrist and psychologist that I was planning to end my life soon, this summer. They won't hospitalize me because they made me a promise. But my psychiatrist told me not to kill myself because she didn't want to be sued. Is that a good reason not to CTB? No, it's not.

The pro-lifers are ready for anything. My decision is made and I am more than serene. They were surprised at my detachment from my decision.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Your psychiatrist pays for malpractice insurance to cover the costs of being sued. If she doesn't want to risk being sued, she should find another job that doesn't work with a population that has a high rate of suicides.

 

[enjolras]

That's a professional fault looking like blackmail. It's not even pro-life but pro-self, egoist and abusive to transfer that weight on you since you have your own problems. In no way it should influence your decision in whatever direction. If there are repeated mistakes of this type, you ought to look for a replacement. Bon courage
NB: watch out to look too determined. Despite their promise, following the curious attitude, you never know if it won't turn as you versus him/her, then the vocal agreement is reset

 

[Lost in a Dream]

In your position, I would be tempted to CTB with the goal of CAUSING the psychiatrist to be sued. Might not be a good reason to do it, but considering the fact that a lawsuit is the only thing your psychiatrist is concerned about, then they kind of deserve to be sued, in my opinion.

 

[Desi]

I think she was trying to shame you, instill guilt. She probably looked carefully at your reaction, your first impulse and the emotion attached to it. Far easier than trying to understand. Not pretty. Good thing you kept your composure.

 

[ManWithNoName]

In your position, I would be tempted to CTB with the goal of CAUSING the psychiatrist to be sued. Might not be a good reason to do it, but considering the fact that a lawsuit is the only thing your psychiatrist is concerned about, then they kind of deserve to be sued, in my opinion.

No I respectfully do not agree. One should carry out self deliverance without any vengeance in mind, pure and simple. Ctb is about a last resort, after all options have been explored, to ending one's pain—not to do so to intentionally wreak havoc on somebody else—even if that someone is a douchie psychiatrist.

 

[SpottedPanda]

I've never heard of a professional saying anything like that. By all means, live on and see if you can enjoy life, but it's only money.

No I respectfully do not agree. One should carry out self deliverance without any vengeance in mind, pure and simple. Ctb is about a last resort, after all options have been explored, to ending one's pain—not to do so to intentionally wreak havoc on somebody else—even if that someone is a douchie psychiatrist.

Revenge suicides always confuse me. People get over it. Any consequences to be exacted are limited.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Team committing suicide just to spite him / her
(I know its toxic and mean but Ive been literally abused by mental health 'professionals' throughout the years and I could care less about their 'feelings')

 

[Lost in a Dream]

No I respectfully do not agree. One should carry out self deliverance without any vengeance in mind, pure and simple. Ctb is about a last resort, after all options have been explored, to ending one's pain—not to do so to intentionally wreak havoc on somebody else—even if that someone is a douchie psychiatrist.

It is not a good reason to CTB, you are right, but if I was in the OP's situation, the temptation would have still been there. The reason is that when people like the douchie psychiatrist piss me off, my reactions are sometimes more extreme than they should be.

Revenge suicides always confuse me. People get over it. Any consequences to be exacted are limited.

Revenge suicide is probably not rational (but maybe in some cases it could be, I'm not sure). All I know is, every time I've considered it as a good reason to CTB, it was due to me not thinking rationally because my emotions sometimes get out of control and then I need to have a smoke and chill out. Once I do that, the idea of committing suicide as an act of revenge seems less appealing because I am able to recognize how irrational I was being previously. I suppose this is why these kinds of suicides don't confuse me, because I understand what it's like to want to do it, even though I can sometimes recognize the reason for it being a bad decision.

 

[AcornUnderground]

I will never understand why anyone would become a psychiatrist. A psychologist- maybe - but to have the sole purpose of prescribing terrible drugs to numb people and usually cause more distress, I'll never ever understand.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I will never understand why anyone would become a psychiatrist. A psychologist- maybe - but to have the sole purpose of prescribing terrible drugs to numb people and usually cause more distress, I'll never ever understand.

I had a close friend who became a psychiatric nurse practitioner. In general, nurses come from a field that is more about serving patients than controlling them. As a prescriber, I believe she genuinely thought she was helping others. One of our coworkers was also a psychiatric nurse practitioner and very into yoga and Eastern metaphysics. Both held a perspective of valuing psychiatric meds and believing they had efficacy, but they didn't come from the same stance of a doctor in being authoritative and knowing everything better than the client. I think they believed they knew better in a lot of ways, but they were much more open to the clients having a say in their treatment and being flexible in treatment.

On a side note, the close friend I had invited me as her plus-one to a pharmaceutical-sponsored dinner. She got such a laugh out of it and so did I. Since she worked in community mental health and not in private practice, so she couldn't be swayed to get rewards for handing out meds, but the fancy dinner was clearly a tool of persuasion. It was a very expensive restaurant, one of the best in the city, and the meal was outstanding. Wine was provided as well. We sat through a long PowerPoint presentation about how awesome the medication was, and then we ate and drank -- reward conditioning,being used on psych practitioners! The event was also meant for networking, so practitioners would be more likely chat there about the med and to support one another in prescribing it while feeling good from that reward, as well as to go out and share that information with other mutual professional acquaintances not in attendance. "Oh yeah, I think this is great, and our buddy was there and s/he agreed it was great, too."

 

[AcornUnderground]

I had a close friend who became a psychiatric nurse practitioner. In general, nurses come from a field that is more about serving patients than controlling them. As a prescriber, I believe she genuinely thought she was helping others. One of our coworkers was also a psychiatric nurse practitioner and very into yoga and Eastern metaphysics. Both held a perspective of valuing psychiatric meds and believing they had efficacy, but they didn't come from the same stance of a doctor in being authoritative and knowing everything better than the client. I think they believed they knew better in a lot of ways, but they were much more open to the clients having a say in their treatment and being flexible in treatment.

On a side note, the close friend I had invited me as her plus-one to a pharmaceutical-sponsored dinner. She got such a laugh out of it and so did I. Since she worked in community mental health and not in private practice, so she couldn't be swayed to get rewards for handing out meds, but the fancy dinner was clearly a tool of persuasion. It was a very expensive restaurant, one of the best in the city, and the meal was outstanding. Wine was provided as well. We sat through a long PowerPoint presentation about how awesome the medication was, and then we ate and drank -- reward conditioning,being used on psych practitioners! The event was also meant for networking, so practitioners would be more likely chat there about the med and to support one another in prescribing it while feeling good from that reward, as well as to go out and share that information with other mutual professional acquaintances not in attendance. "Oh yeah, I think this is great, and our buddy was there and s/he agreed it was great, too."

I spent 20 years in medical sales. So much of what is prescribed is about those booze laden events. I was happy to be in lab service sales and representing a truly great lab, though we bought plenty of booze to say so.

I know what you mean about good intentions. One pysc I knew truly cared about me and her patients. She truly thought her medication was helpful. I'm sure in some cases it is. Still, I would never!

 

[lostangel]

That sounds extremely unprofessional on her end.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I will never understand why anyone would become a psychiatrist.

$$$$ Lot$ of reason$ as it is a lucrative field. $$$$

 

[Shoopie]

I'd suggest their actions are at best unethical and at worst, illegal. Aren't they supposed to report serious suicide ideation/planning?

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

$$$$ Lot$ of reason$ as it is a lucrative field. $$$$

The money is relevant but many of them believe that what they're doing is helpful and meaningful. Shoving harmful pseudoscientific drugs down peoples throats don't address their problems but they are delusional enough to convince themselves otherwise. I'd compare Psychiatry's methods to a medical doctor applying dirty bandaids to a third degree burn victim and then patting themselves on the back that they did something helpful.

I'd suggest their actions are at best unethical and at worst, illegal. Aren't they supposed to report serious suicide ideation/planning?

Yep, that's why most of them will never get anywhere with their clients. When has using force and alienation ever accomplished any good?

"What, then, are psychotherapists and what do they sell to or impose on their clients? Insofar as they use force, psychotherapists are judges and jailers, inquisitors and torturers; insofar as they eschew it, they are secular priests and pseudomedical rhetoricians. Their services consist of coercions and constraints imposed on individuals on behalf of other persons or social groups, or they consist of contracts and conversations entered into by individuals on their own behalf." ― Thomas Szasz, The Myth of Psychotherapy

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/866342

 

[autumnal]

I told my psychiatrist and psychologist that I was planning to end my life soon, this summer. They won't hospitalize me because they made me a promise. But my psychiatrist told me not to kill myself because she didn't want to be sued. Is that a good reason not to CTB? No, it's not.

The pro-lifers are ready for anything. My decision is made and I am more than serene. They were surprised at my detachment from my decision.

Am I the only person here who thinks the psychiatrist made that comment in order to prevent their patient committing suicide out of genuine concern, rather than concern about a lawsuit? Having already made OP a promise not to hospitalise them (which was not a wise thing to do), perhaps they were falling back on the next best piece of motivation?

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Am I the only person here who thinks the psychiatrist made that comment in order to prevent their patient committing suicide out of genuine concern, rather than concern about a lawsuit? Having already made OP a promise not to hospitalise them (which was not a wise thing to do), perhaps they were falling back on the next best piece of motivation?

It's an interesting perspective, to be sure. I'm not convinced that this is the case, but I hope that you are right.