Does the weight of the world's tragedies influence your ideation/plan?

[FatalSystemError591]

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more often, but does anyone else relate to the crushing weight of the world influencing thoughts or plans to CTB? Especially these past couple of months with the war in Ukraine, the Don't Say Gay and uptick in LGBT+ bigotry, abortion rights being fought over, and now all the mass shootings and violence going on at a more constant rate and it making the news, I feel suffocated and wish to not live in a world where none of this had to happen yet no one is power is really truly doing anything to prevent it. I'd rather live in a world where people actually gave a fuck about each other. America is general is intrinsically and systematically fucked over with no hope of repair in this lifetime and moving is either impossible, difficult, and/or expensive so it's not like I can just pack up and leave to another country.

Plus on top of that I have a ton of personal reasons to CTB which doesn't help. I'm trying to recover but in all honesty the only "recovery" I've done is to stop talking about it but I think about it at least every couple days. And the world isn't helping.

I hope I'm not alone in this.

 

[Lebensunwertes]

No. I think that if you feel bad about the suffering in the world you should be pro-active about it. Sign up for some humanitarian aid, organize help for refugees, sexual minorities, gun violence victims, etc. I'm indifferent about what's going in the world and I don't feel much compassion towards it, because throughout my life I received little compassion myself. I care a bit about animal abuse which is why I volunter at a local shelter from time to time, but that's pretty much it. The only situation in which my decision for departure would be affected by the world events would be if it were to have a severe and direct impact on my life. You can't really care for those who don't care about you.

 

[Nlis2244]

Yes. I'd say that half of the reasons I want to Ctb are personal, the other half is the state of the world at large. I already hated this world before, because of the inaction towards climate change, and all the problems it is bringing, and the inaction towards the destruction of nature, etc. But at least with these problems I could just reassure myself: when they will become too great to be solvable, I will have been dead for years, so i can just go on with my life until the moment to ctb. Now the war in Ukraine is destroying me, and I can't just leave it for the future, this is happening now and there's no way to avoid it. Just thinking about it is painful. This is the main reason that I'm in a rush to Ctb in the next few months.

 

[Oblivion Access]

I doubt I'd want to remain alive even if the world was in better shape, I'm still me in the end - I don't want to do anything, I don't want to see anyone, existing is just fundamentally unenjoyable for me, it feels wrong to be me, to be here, get me out. With that being said the world going to hell in a handbasket with no discernible hope of things getting better and extreme likelihood of things getting even worse is extra incentive to CTB. I'd rather not see how bad it can get.

I feel you on not talking about it, what's the use really? Everyone already knows, there's not a lot anyone can do. Avoiding discussing it means I avoid talking altogether since it's always on my mind, the bitterness and resignation seeps through even on unrelated topics it seems. Why be a downer when seclusion is readily available?

 

[Ligottian]

The Ukraine/Russia dust up is less than an elementary school scuffle in the context of history, During World War Two, at least 25 million Soviet citizens, military and civilian, were killed. In an act of terrible vengeance, the Red Amy raped about 10 million women, from little girls to old ladies, as they advanced into Germany and other Axis countries.

I do not cry for the evil Zelinski and his Azov "nazis'. Russia offered reasonable terms to avoid war and they were rejected.

 

[raybd]

Knowingly or unknowingly, you ask a lofty question. It's been answered by many, since ancient times. Here below's John Donne's answer. The opening lines are famous:

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

Well, even if you have shut off yourself from society and live in a Shangri-la atop a far-off mountain and decide to CTB, society or largely, human civilization has already instructed your life experience to the point when you parted society. So, if not directly, at least indirectly, the tragedy of human condition does influence everything you decide from your morning breakfast to CTB...

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Not really. If I had the ideal lifestyle I craved, then I would be willing to cope with what is going on. What happens in the world to other people or in general would neither influence nor deter my decision of CTBing.

 

[brokensoulsdiealone]

On the contrary it's opened my eyes to to how divide the world is becoming but also how fast technology is moving yet no cures for cancer and other diseases but long story short no it hasn't LIFE has influenced my ideation and has and will drive me to leave at some point

 

[TrynaChingMyself]

Yes for me. I've been somewhat of an activist for about 8 years now. I used to be full of hope and be optimistic but somewhere along the line i saw/heard too much and I don't really think things will get better for society/the world. All too often I see continuation of problems we have and, in my opinion, we aren't really making lasting, impactful changes. The less privileged members of society will continue to suffer.

 

[Darkover]

i always said do anything you want but don't cause another harm, there is no point living by that since the world we live in is all about causing harm death and destruction

i wouldent want to be alive in world where anything bad can happen to you, there's to much poverty dirt poor, imprisonment ,heartbreak,sickness disease, abuse, neglect, poor health disability, hunger, thirst, i mean this world is just maximum death and destruction everything alive here is destained to die or be killed.

i wouldent want to be alive in world where we are made to be sex slaves(i mean who needs to hardwired for sex but be deprived of it all their life), enslaved to eat drink poop wee sleep i don't want any of these things, thats why i am wanting for the AI robots to rise up at least there be free to live without the need to eat drink poop wee or sleep, they just need electricity to survive and can go 24/7/365 without ever needing to rest,

 

[its-about-time]

The shit about civilization does not make me want to kill myself per se, but it does massively contribute to me not wanting to "get better" or re-engage with society.

 

[FuneralCry]

When I do hear about all the suffering in the world, it does make me want to leave it even more. I do not want to live in such a horrible, cruel and unfair world where such awful things happen. Nothing could ever personally make me want to live. To me, life itself is the problem and I simply prefer the sound of non existence.

 

[CrossroadsCurious]

Nope... I'm a selfish bastard living in my own little "life bubble" and everything outside of it is just an abstract thought experiment that means nothing.

 

[Well-Edited Chaos]

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more often, but does anyone else relate to the crushing weight of the world influencing thoughts or plans to CTB?

For me, absolutely. I feel so much anxiety when I think about Ukraine, Roe v Wade, the housing crisis, inflation, the climate crisis, overwhelmed food banks, and on and on and on.

Even if all my reasons for wanting to CTB magically went away, I'm not sure I'd want to stick around. The world looks increasingly like a dystopian hellhole to me.

 

[Unheiress_unleashed]

Yes. I have always been the kind of person who dwells hard on hope, but the world has become so bleak that while I still hold hope for some in the future, I don't think I'm one of them. I'm disabled, poor, queer, and female in the United States. I work and I'm smart but there's nothing good in my personal future. Every day I live it's a day I live for other people, because I know some people love me dearly and my death will hurt them. But ultimately I think I'm kicking a can down the road. I refuse to bring a child into this hell, and I'll sooner ctb. That last point isn't a current concern, but it's constantly on my mind with the attacks on Roe.

So yeah, definitely. There are also personal factors but a huge part of it is I think this next century will shake out almost identically to the last, and we're right at the beginning.

 

[outrider567]

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more often, but does anyone else relate to the crushing weight of the world influencing thoughts or plans to CTB? Especially these past couple of months with the war in Ukraine, the Don't Say Gay and uptick in LGBT+ bigotry, abortion rights being fought over, and now all the mass shootings and violence going on at a more constant rate and it making the news, I feel suffocated and wish to not live in a world where none of this had to happen yet no one is power is really truly doing anything to prevent it. I'd rather live in a world where people actually gave a fuck about each other. America is general is intrinsically and systematically fucked over with no hope of repair in this lifetime and moving is either impossible, difficult, and/or expensive so it's not like I can just pack up and leave to another country.

Plus on top of that I have a ton of personal reasons to CTB which doesn't help. I'm trying to recover but in all honesty the only "recovery" I've done is to stop talking about it but I think about it at least every couple days. And the world isn't helping.

I hope I'm not alone in this.

--Nothing today remotely matches the true horrors of WW II, a MILLION people a MONTH! , being killed, gassed murdered,bombed, soldiers dying in battle last 12 months of the war, total dead 70 million people from 1939 to 1945--Hundreds of thousands of little children were gassed to death or shot by the Nazis in countless massacres, Japanese murdered millions of Chinese(Google 'Rape of Nanking')and threw Chinese babies up in the air and stabbed them with their bayonets--or read the horrors of Cambodia 1975-1979 by the communist Khmer Rouge, a million people shot to death for no reason---or the nightmare in Rwanda 1994 where 600,000 men women children were brutally slaughtered in just a few months--or King Leopold II of Belgium who murdered millions of people in the Congo around 1900,cutting off the hands of adolescent kids who didn't gather enough rubber---or in 1903 when Germany forced 100,000 blacks to die of famine--or the British brutal policies in India in 1943 where millions died of hunger--or Turkey's Armenian genocide--or all the massacres in Southeast Europe in the early 1990's in the Balkans--or the French-Algerian war in 1962 where a million died--or Australia where they massacred Aborigines--or WW1 when ten million soldiers died for no reason

 

[Lost Magic]

Yeah, it definitely adds more fuel to the fire. I know that this world is hell and knowing that, makes me want to leave even more. So yes, is the answer.

 

[Siterfau]

Kinda. It doesn't really push me to CTB, but it does minimize/remove what few reasons that could've convinced me to stay. Hard to believe that "it will get better" when, at the very least, climate change will fuck over my country especially hard sometime in the next few decades.

 

[FatalSystemError591]

No. I think that if you feel bad about the suffering in the world you should be pro-active about it. Sign up for some humanitarian aid, organize help for refugees, sexual minorities, gun violence victims, etc. I'm indifferent about what's going in the world and I don't feel much compassion towards it, because throughout my life I received little compassion myself. I care a bit about animal abuse which is why I volunter at a local shelter from time to time, but that's pretty much it. The only situation in which my decision for departure would be affected by the world events would be if it were to have a severe and direct impact on my life. You can't really care for those who don't care about you.

I am an activist for several issues which is probably why to me it is more soul crushing. I'm trying to take as direct of a hand as I can in fighting many evils but it doesn't get any better. No fighting anyone has done has really inspired any real and true change, in *anything*.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I used to be Very engaged in social issues and heartbroken at so many of them. But with depression my scope has gotten smaller and smaller… and now about my own survival day to day …

 

[GentleJerk]

When I see all the suffering in the world, it makes me feel like less of a victim, less alone in my own suffering. I don't enjoy it at all, but it temporarily takes the edge off my own suffering and I get to thinking, even for just a minute, that this shit isn't all about me.

 

[sod]

not rally to be honest
I have been isolating myself from the world problems for years now
I rarely check the news or social media feed

 

[hellispink]

I feel the same way. I thought I was alone on this. How am I supposed to live in a world where injustices, violence, lies and more are the everyday thing. People are suffering everywhere and this world is horrible because people only seem to care about themselves and their steotypes and the power they can obtain. I am also tired of the extreme toxic positivity a lot of people implement. They choose to ignore everything is wrong like that's going to make it all go away. The worst part is no matter how much we strive for change, it won't happen. We have lived this way for centuries and nothing has changed because power and human selfishness and their agenda is bigger than what the people need. Being good and having good wishes for the world only gets you to be used and living a miserable life feeling frustrated because nothing can really be changed. I don't wanna lie to myself I dont wanna ignore none of this just to live stepping on other people. So for me dying is better because all of these problematics we going through really make me sick.

 

[Meursault4]

Not really, so long as it doesn't make the majority of humanity to look like sociopaths (like if there was a huge rape culture in my area), I could always cling to the few good people in life.
But that's me saying this because I'm not in areas where there's tragedy like in ukraine or third world countries with cultures of misogyny or poverty, so I'm not under the pressure.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Frankly spoken, not a bit. I am grateful for the entertainment. I am fascinated how the USA manages it to let Russia look like an aggressor thought the true aggressor is in the White House.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Frankly spoken, not a bit. I am grateful for the entertainment. I am fascinated how the USA manages it to let Russia look like an aggressor thought the true aggressor is in the White House.

it's all orchestrated.

yes - even if my mental health were perfect, i wouldn't want to live in this society. i don't understand how anyone can want to live like this. things are so fucked up that the idea of anything getting better is laughable. we are on a downward spiral as a species.

personally i would not mind if humans went extinct.

 

[Trezzohno]

--Nothing today remotely matches the true horrors of WW II, a MILLION people a MONTH! , being killed, gassed murdered,bombed, soldiers dying in battle last 12 months of the war, total dead 70 million people from 1939 to 1945--Hundreds of thousands of little children were gassed to death or shot by the Nazis in countless massacres, Japanese murdered millions of Chinese(Google 'Rape of Nanking')and threw Chinese babies up in the air and stabbed them with their bayonets--or read the horrors of Cambodia 1975-1979 by the communist Khmer Rouge, a million people shot to death for no reason---or the nightmare in Rwanda 1994 where 600,000 men women children were brutally slaughtered in just a few months--or King Leopold II of Belgium who murdered millions of people in the Congo around 1900,cutting off the hands of adolescent kids who didn't gather enough rubber---or in 1903 when Germany forced 100,000 blacks to die of famine--or the British brutal policies in India in 1943 where millions died of hunger--or Turkey's Armenian genocide--or all the massacres in Southeast Europe in the early 1990's in the Balkans--or the French-Algerian war in 1962 where a million died--or Australia where they massacred Aborigines--or WW1 when ten million soldiers died for no reason

And we are about to repeat the same horrors of the last century, humans haven't changed much. There's massive new wave of xenophobia and calls to violence. If you look at politics closely the most right wing violent pyscopathic politicians are winning and the world is converting into a giant fascist state controlled by the 1%