I think not always does suffering lead to a liberal stance on suicide. I think there are even diametrical effects possible. For example when a loved one committed suicide and one had to deal with it. Some years ago I watched a German (more or less trash) debate show on assisted suicide. There was a young woman very strongly opposed to assisted suicide. She recovered from depression and said she would have wanted to have assisted suicide in that situation - but now she realized that depression deceived her to that time. This is why she became strictly against assisted suicide. I think this is not really a good argument against assisted suicide because they evaluate whether the wish to die is persistent and serious.
Maybe that example is a good example when suffering indeed leads to a liberal stance on suicide. Maybe if there is an happy end for the person they change their opinion on suicide. When people hit rock bottom and recover eventually they might become sceptical towards suicide. On the other hand people who suffer for year after year, decade after decade maybe these people might become more liberal on suicide. However this does not apply to everyone. I met people in clinics who had pretty fucked up life and many of them did not want to ctb. I think about someone religious who considered suicide a sin. Or someone who just turned a little bit insane because he suffered so much.
I am not sure what the people on this websites really connects. Why do some people become suicidal? And some not? Even if they are exposed to a similar environment. I don't have a final answer for that. It is interesting me and my sister are completely different on suicide despite the fact our childhood and adolescence was very similar. She considers life a gift - the most precious thing one has. When she became ill I thought well another severely suicidal person in my family. I was completely wrong. There are some differences between me and my sister. I rather have severe mood issues and she suffers cognitively.
I think from my abuse I internalized a lot of self-hatred. When I was beaten up I started to imagine to hurt myself. I looked up gruesome pictures on the internet because the violence started a process in my mind. I really don't have a clue why me and my sister have so different opinions on suicide.
Maybe some people tend to emptiness and apathy towards pain and suffering. However I think many here (not me) feel such things and are still suicidal.
Maybe there are even small changes that lead to a different attitude. I can remember my parents once talked positively connoted about suicide when I was a child. I can still remember that. Moreover I was always obsessed what other people think of me and which started a weird relation to honor. I read about things like seppuku when I was a teenager.
I think all of that is only anecdotal evidence. On average I think people who suffer a lot are more liberal on suicide. Though there are many counterexamples for that. I have issues to understand very stoic people maybe this is why I am only rambling and cannot find something sophisticated to add to this conversation.
What do you think?
Maybe that example is a good example when suffering indeed leads to a liberal stance on suicide. Maybe if there is an happy end for the person they change their opinion on suicide. When people hit rock bottom and recover eventually they might become sceptical towards suicide. On the other hand people who suffer for year after year, decade after decade maybe these people might become more liberal on suicide. However this does not apply to everyone. I met people in clinics who had pretty fucked up life and many of them did not want to ctb. I think about someone religious who considered suicide a sin. Or someone who just turned a little bit insane because he suffered so much.
I am not sure what the people on this websites really connects. Why do some people become suicidal? And some not? Even if they are exposed to a similar environment. I don't have a final answer for that. It is interesting me and my sister are completely different on suicide despite the fact our childhood and adolescence was very similar. She considers life a gift - the most precious thing one has. When she became ill I thought well another severely suicidal person in my family. I was completely wrong. There are some differences between me and my sister. I rather have severe mood issues and she suffers cognitively.
I think from my abuse I internalized a lot of self-hatred. When I was beaten up I started to imagine to hurt myself. I looked up gruesome pictures on the internet because the violence started a process in my mind. I really don't have a clue why me and my sister have so different opinions on suicide.
Maybe some people tend to emptiness and apathy towards pain and suffering. However I think many here (not me) feel such things and are still suicidal.
Maybe there are even small changes that lead to a different attitude. I can remember my parents once talked positively connoted about suicide when I was a child. I can still remember that. Moreover I was always obsessed what other people think of me and which started a weird relation to honor. I read about things like seppuku when I was a teenager.
I think all of that is only anecdotal evidence. On average I think people who suffer a lot are more liberal on suicide. Though there are many counterexamples for that. I have issues to understand very stoic people maybe this is why I am only rambling and cannot find something sophisticated to add to this conversation.
What do you think?
