Method Does SN poisoning make you gasp for air?

[Dreamcollege]

If your blood doesn't have the a ility to carry oxygen wouldn't that make you gasp for air to try and take oxygen in? In other words how is the experience different than holding your breath or crushing your windpipe by strangulation? Do you really just get dizzy and fall asleep without having the survival instinct kick in from lack of oxygen?

 

[Can'tStandAnymore]

The body doesn't actually react to low levels of oxygen. You only get suffocation feeling when your blood has high CO2 levels.

 

[Redrock]

your heart rate will increase somewhat

 

[Psilo]

Terrible thought, I hope more people can approve that thats not gonna happen. But my thought is that everybody experience it somewhat differently, based on their weight and their body.

 

[NoOneKnows]

I m more concerned of puking while unconsciouss...my stomach is bad...I sometimes can puke even when I drink just water.. : (

 

[clover___]

There is no gasping for air, I had seizures due to the oxygen deprivation but they weren't distressing or uncomfortable, and I don't know if I would've even noticed them if responders hadn't woken me up. Passed in and out of consciousness a lot. Really intense euphoria.

 

[GeorgeJL]

No, because it's not the lack of oxygen that causes a feeling suffocation, it's the build up of carbon dioxide in the blood that happens when you put a bag over your head.

 

[clover___]

With SN?

yes

 

[littlelady774]

It's weird cause I know cyanide causes shortness of breath and gasping.. do they work in a similar manner interfering with oxygen blood content and ATP production?
Also, I think both cause metabolic acidosis from build up of CO2 in the blood...
Of course, correct me if I'm wrong... I'm no scientist

 

[clover___]

It's weird cause I know cyanide causes shortness of breath and gasping.. do they work in a similar manner interfering with oxygen blood content and ATP production?
Also, I think both cause metabolic acidosis from build up of CO2 in the blood...
Of course, correct me if I'm wrong... I'm no scientist

It kills via methemoglobinemia, converting the hemoglobin in the blood into useless methemoglobin which cannot deliver oxygen to the body's tissues. It's actually used as an antidote to cn funnily enough.

 

[JustOverIt]

There is no gasping for air, I had seizures due to the oxygen deprivation but they weren't distressing or uncomfortable, and I don't know if I would've even noticed them if responders hadn't woken me up. Passed in and out of consciousness a lot. Really intense euphoria.

Thank you so much for this information. Was the act of taking the SN difficult in any way; were you fearful? How did you get caught?

 

[clover___]

Thank you so much for this information. Was the act of taking the SN difficult in any way; were you fearful? How did you get caught?

It was really salty, I think I may have put too much sn in the water. I drank as much as I could but wasn't able to finish the entire glass because of the saltiness and the sn itself making me drowsy. I was going to walk outside so no one would find me for a while but I collapsed on the floor after a few steps. My partner must have heard this and came to check on me.

 

[Your Own Ghost]

My grandmother had a lung condition in which she had to have oxygen constantly supplied. If she didn't have it, she didn't gasp for air, she just became very tired and weak. At one point she had a pretty memorable hallucination, but the contents of which sound too fake to even mention.

 

[JustOverIt]

It was really salty, I think I may have put too much sn in the water. I drank as much as I could but wasn't able to finish the entire glass because of the saltiness and the sn itself making me drowsy. I was going to walk outside so no one would find me for a while but I collapsed on the floor after a few steps. My partner must have heard this and came to check on me.

How much do you imagine you took? Did you take anti-emetics + acid reducers?

 

[clover___]

How much do you imagine you took? Did you take anti-emetics + acid reducers?

At least 50g, I don't know the exact amount. I saw the bag (100g) later and most was gone. I was measuring it out initially but I got impatient and just dumped most of what I had in the glass. I took some metoclopramide during the day leading up to the attempt and had some baking soda dissolved in water immediately beforehand to reduce acid. I didn't throw up spontaneously but there was some nausea, I made myself throw up maybe a couple hours later out of guilt when my gf was there sitting over me crying but at that point I doubt it made a difference.

 

[Jayxtri]

The effect is as same as CO poisoning. Blood becomes unable to carry oxygen to cells.

 

[JustOverIt]

At least 50g, I don't know the exact amount. I saw the bag (100g) later and most was gone. I was measuring it out initially but I got impatient and just dumped most of what I had in the glass. I took some metoclopramide during the day leading up to the attempt and had some baking soda dissolved in water immediately beforehand to reduce acid. I didn't throw up spontaneously but there was some nausea, I made myself throw up maybe a couple hours later out of guilt when my gf was there sitting over me crying but at that point I doubt it made a difference.

Holy shit. Over 50g? Are you experiencing any lasting injuries? How long immediately after do you think you were found?

 

[clover___]

Holy shit. Over 50g? Are you experiencing any lasting injuries? How long immediately after do you think you were found?

As I said I didn't finish the glass of water, it was oversaturated with that much in (was a bad idea to just pour it in like that in hindsight) so I don't know exactly how much I consumed. The 50g is more an estimation of how much was in my glass. I think I managed half the glass but I honestly don't remember.

 

[Dreamcollege]

As I said I didn't finish the glass of water, it was oversaturated with that much in (was a bad idea to just pour it in like that in hindsight) so I don't know exactly how much I consumed. The 50g is more an estimation of how much was in my glass. I think I managed half the glass but I honestly don't remember.

So you were found immediately since somebody heard you stumbling around? Was there any permanent damage? Why is 50g too much, I thought there wasn't no maximum limit?

What was passing in and our or consciousness like, was it scary?

 

[clover___]

So you were found immediately since somebody heard you stumbling around? Was there any permanent damage? Why is 50g too much, I thought there wasn't no maximum limit?

What was passing in and our or consciousness like, was it scary?

I took the stuff, got up to go outside, then walked a few steps before I started feeling very weak and collapsed. I don't know how long I was lying on the ground but it can't have been long. My girlfriend came out to check on me - I assume because she heard me collapse but it could've just been worry since I hadn't come to bed yet - and found me lying there.She asked me what happened and I told her that I took something, I don't think she realised it was serious at that point. She helped me into the spare bed and sat with me for a while, I started getting nauseous and was clearly pretty out of it she started freaking out about what to do - didn't want to call an ambulance since she'd seen how bad the psych ward was for me last time - saying she didn't want me to go etc. I hated seeing her like that so I made myself throw up a bit.

Anyway I passed out soon afterwards and I guess she thought I might be okay? Apparently a little later I started having seizures while unconscious, gf came in to check on me and saw this so she told my mother who called the ambulance.

There was no permanent damage as far as I know.

50g was too much just because it made it harder to get the stuff down having it be so concentrated, it tasted very salty like drinking seawater. As far as passing in and out of consciousness goes I guess I was too out of it to really worry much, I guess the euphoria from oxygen deprivation probably contributed there.

 

[GeorgeJL]

It's it fucked up how they say that SN has all these side effects but fails to say that if you having a seizures with SN that your likely in one of the most euphoric moments of your life. LOL very misleading.

 

[Jayxtri]

I took the stuff, got up to go outside, then walked a few steps before I started feeling very weak and collapsed. I don't know how long I was lying on the ground but it can't have been long. My girlfriend came out to check on me - I assume because she heard me collapse but it could've just been worry since I hadn't come to bed yet - and found me lying there.She asked me what happened and I told her that I took something, I don't think she realised it was serious at that point. She helped me into the spare bed and sat with me for a while, I started getting nauseous and was clearly pretty out of it she started freaking out about what to do - didn't want to call an ambulance since she'd seen how bad the psych ward was for me last time - saying she didn't want me to go etc. I hated seeing her like that so I made myself throw up a bit.

Anyway I passed out soon afterwards and I guess she thought I might be okay? Apparently a little later I started having seizures while unconscious, gf came in to check on me and saw this so she told my mother who called the ambulance.

There was no permanent damage as far as I know.

50g was too much just because it made it harder to get the stuff down having it be so concentrated, it tasted very salty like drinking seawater. As far as passing in and out of consciousness goes I guess I was too out of it to really worry much, I guess the euphoria from oxygen deprivation probably contributed there.

Ok...so you casually took the stuff and started to go outside and collapsed. You also say your gf was there too. Were you trying to kill yourself or just drank it with no plans??? Why would you do it if there were people around and why would you try to go outside after taking the stuff?? Sounds strange...

 

[Dreamcollege]

I took the stuff, got up to go outside, then walked a few steps before I started feeling very weak and collapsed. I don't know how long I was lying on the ground but it can't have been long. My girlfriend came out to check on me - I assume because she heard me collapse but it could've just been worry since I hadn't come to bed yet - and found me lying there.She asked me what happened and I told her that I took something, I don't think she realised it was serious at that point. She helped me into the spare bed and sat with me for a while, I started getting nauseous and was clearly pretty out of it she started freaking out about what to do - didn't want to call an ambulance since she'd seen how bad the psych ward was for me last time - saying she didn't want me to go etc. I hated seeing her like that so I made myself throw up a bit.

Anyway I passed out soon afterwards and I guess she thought I might be okay? Apparently a little later I started having seizures while unconscious, gf came in to check on me and saw this so she told my mother who called the ambulance.

There was no permanent damage as far as I know.

50g was too much just because it made it harder to get the stuff down having it be so concentrated, it tasted very salty like drinking seawater. As far as passing in and out of consciousness goes I guess I was too out of it to really worry much, I guess the euphoria from oxygen deprivation probably contributed there.

So you had seizures but there is no permanent brain damage? Did you take any anti-emetics? Do you think you could have stomached it without throwing up? How long after you drank it did the paramedics or doctors give you the antidote? Did you end up on a psych ward?

 

[clover___]

Ok...so you casually took the stuff and started to go outside and collapsed. You also say your gf was there too. Were you trying to kill yourself or just drank it with no plans??? Why would you do it if there were people around and why would you try to go outside after taking the stuff?? Sounds strange...

I was at my parents' house with her and I was impatient to do it, had gotten the stuff in the mail earlier that day. I figured since they are in a very rural area that help would be far enough away that I was unlikely to be saved. Forgot there was a local volunteer fire brigade. :/

My other reasons for doing it when and under the circumstances I did were honestly mostly sentimental. I was afraid to die alone, I naively wanted to be with people who cared about me. The decision to go outside was a last minute one made under impaired judgement (hoped it'd mean more time before I was found), originally the fantasy in my head was that I'd go back to bed and I'd just drift off and no one would notice anything until morning (I hadn't read at the time about sn causing seizures). Also I have a terrible sense of humour so dying on halloween was appealing to me. Yes I was trying to kill myself, I was under the impression death from sn was a pretty sure thing.

 

[Your Own Ghost]

I was at my parents' house with her and I was impatient to do it, had gotten the stuff in the mail earlier that day. I figured since they are in a very rural area that help would be far enough away that I was unlikely to be saved. Forgot there was a local volunteer fire brigade. :/

My other reasons for doing it when and under the circumstances I did were honestly mostly sentimental. I was afraid to die alone, I naively wanted to be with people who cared about me. The decision to go outside was a last minute one made under impaired judgement (hoped it'd mean more time before I was found), originally the fantasy in my head was that I'd go back to bed and I'd just drift off and no one would notice anything until morning (I hadn't read at the time about sn causing seizures). Also I have a terrible sense of humour so dying on halloween was appealing to me. Yes I was trying to kill myself, I was under the impression death from sn was a pretty sure thing.

It seems like in all the accounts, the only thing stopping SN from being a sure thing is the person being found. Do you think you would have died and died peacefully if you weren't found?

 

[clover___]

So you had seizures but there is no permanent brain damage? Did you take any anti-emetics? Do you think you could have stomached it without throwing up? How long after you drank it did the paramedics or doctors give you the antidote? Did you end up on a psych ward?

I was worried about brain damage but there's none that I know of. There was no cognitive testing done at the hospital that I remember though, so shrug. The doctor who treated me in the er didn't seem concerned about permanent damage when I asked him. I took some metoclopramide but the stuff I took was just the (lower dose) liquid kind for dogs so I don't know if it did much. I was nauseous before I threw up but I don't think enough that I would've thrown up involuntarily while conscious, maybe if I passed out. It was hours before I got the methyl blue, again rural area so quite far from the nearest hospital. I had oxygen via mask and later tube in the meantime, though. Ended up being seen at home by the home-based treatment team instead of going to the ward.

It seems like in all the accounts, the only thing stopping SN from being a sure thing is the person being found. Do you think you would have died and died peacefully if you weren't found?

I think so, my blood gasses were pretty bad even after getting to the hospital and I had a very weak pulse and depressed breathing. The EMTs were also unable to find a vein for starting an IV, so I guess those symptoms indicate circulatory shock. I was also very badly cyanosed.

 

[Redrock]

I was worried about brain damage but there's none that I know of. There was no cognitive testing done at the hospital that I remember though, so shrug. The doctor who treated me in the er didn't seem concerned about permanent damage when I asked him. I took some metoclopramide but the stuff I took was just the (lower dose) liquid kind for dogs so I don't know if it did much. I was nauseous before I threw up but I don't think enough that I would've thrown up involuntarily while conscious, maybe if I passed out. It was hours before I got the methyl blue, again rural area so quite far from the nearest hospital. I had oxygen via mask and later tube in the meantime, though. Ended up being seen at home by the home-based treatment team instead of going to the ward.

I think so, my blood gasses were pretty bad even after getting to the hospital and I had a very weak pulse and depressed breathing. The EMTs were also unable to find a vein for starting an IV, so I guess those symptoms indicate circulatory shock. I was also very badly cyanosed.

What method will you choose next time?

 

[clover___]

What method will you choose next time?

Same method, just going to find somewhere secluded to do it. Didn't screw up on the method really, just in allowing myself to be saved.

 

[Cookiedough8956]

Same method, just going to find somewhere secluded to do it. Didn't screw up on the method really, just in allowing myself to be saved.

How much will u take the second time around?
20g?

 

[Darkhole]

@clover___ thank you so much for going into such detail. You're a saint.