DoNotLet2
Wizard
- Oct 14, 2019
- 684
Hello
This is venting/discussion. TRIGGER WARNING: discussion about abortion, rape, heavy disabilities, women's rights, taking care of a child with heavy disabilities. If such topics are hard for you and for your well-being, I don't recommend reading any further. Additionally, I'm not a native English speaker, so my English isn't perfect, especially commas. I don't know, where to put commas, so I will put them badly I guess. I'm not an expert, not a doctor, but I'm a woman and I thought that it should be talked about. If you are interested in this topic I advise you to do further research. It's kinda a religious topic, but I don't want to start a discussion "does God exist?", I want it to be solely about women's rights and what is good or bad.
I don't like spending much time on social medias, but today I did spend and what I read shocked me much.
To give some context. Poland had a compromise - you could abort a fetus if a) it came from a rape; b) it was heavily disabled; c) mother couldn't bear a child, and it would be harmful for her health to be pregnant, or to be bear a child. Practice prove it not to be true - a "doctor" could say "I won't abort this child, because it's against my conscience". It's crazy. You chose to be a doctor, you weren't forced. In every other job you would be kicked out for saying, that you won't carry out your responsibilities. So women had to go abroad to the countries, in which you could do the abortion, some non profit organizations would help. This was the case until last Thursday.
The Constitutional Court decided, that abortion in cases a) and b) is against our constitution. You hear me? Additionally, in Poland we don't have any sexual education. The only thing you hear in school is "sex is bad, you shouldn't do it, until you're very mature". Contraception? Condoms. Theoretically women can get pills from the doctor, but they aren't aware about other options. If a woman can't get pills, then only condoms and "calendar" remain. There are so many myths among us about sex. People believe, that you can't get pregnant from intermittent sex. What is "calendar"? Not making sex during fertile days. I heard an expert saying, that this method is very hard to use, because many things including stress can affect your fertile days.
So maybe giving up for adoption? I personally find it more cruel to give up a child for adoption than to abort. Why? Closed institutions in Poland are also in a very bad condition. There is a journalist, who speaks about it vastly.
EDIT: So many women end up taking care of heavily disabled children. They are usually left by their husbands. Government pays very little. A few hundred złoty for a child per month, whose expenses are like a few thousands złoty per month? For a lonely mother, who can't work, because such child requires constant care? Not including special expenses like new wheelchair or new special treatment.
EDIT 2: I forgot to add. You know we have a pandemic. The situation in Poland isn't good as I vented in my previous thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/covid-19-vol-3-why-are-those-people-such-idiots.50054/. What's the problem? We should stay home but this government provoked riots, which will cause the situation to become even worse.
EDIT 3: Ok sorry for letting my emotions take over. Abortion isn't a simple topic. I'm just afraid of what my government is able to do. They simply violated women's rights. And yes our abortion law wasn't perfectly moral, but they made it even worse. I'm venting, that I have no control over my life, because I can get outvoted easily by a group of radical Catholics. I feel endangered. But I don't want to say, that abortion is always right, it isn't and we should avoid it. But we have to consider everything.
I just wanted to vent, that I am a woman in such country. Getting abroad isn't that easy, though I'm considering that option. Thank you for reading.
This is venting/discussion. TRIGGER WARNING: discussion about abortion, rape, heavy disabilities, women's rights, taking care of a child with heavy disabilities. If such topics are hard for you and for your well-being, I don't recommend reading any further. Additionally, I'm not a native English speaker, so my English isn't perfect, especially commas. I don't know, where to put commas, so I will put them badly I guess. I'm not an expert, not a doctor, but I'm a woman and I thought that it should be talked about. If you are interested in this topic I advise you to do further research. It's kinda a religious topic, but I don't want to start a discussion "does God exist?", I want it to be solely about women's rights and what is good or bad.
I don't like spending much time on social medias, but today I did spend and what I read shocked me much.
To give some context. Poland had a compromise - you could abort a fetus if a) it came from a rape; b) it was heavily disabled; c) mother couldn't bear a child, and it would be harmful for her health to be pregnant, or to be bear a child. Practice prove it not to be true - a "doctor" could say "I won't abort this child, because it's against my conscience". It's crazy. You chose to be a doctor, you weren't forced. In every other job you would be kicked out for saying, that you won't carry out your responsibilities. So women had to go abroad to the countries, in which you could do the abortion, some non profit organizations would help. This was the case until last Thursday.
The Constitutional Court decided, that abortion in cases a) and b) is against our constitution. You hear me? Additionally, in Poland we don't have any sexual education. The only thing you hear in school is "sex is bad, you shouldn't do it, until you're very mature". Contraception? Condoms. Theoretically women can get pills from the doctor, but they aren't aware about other options. If a woman can't get pills, then only condoms and "calendar" remain. There are so many myths among us about sex. People believe, that you can't get pregnant from intermittent sex. What is "calendar"? Not making sex during fertile days. I heard an expert saying, that this method is very hard to use, because many things including stress can affect your fertile days.
So maybe giving up for adoption? I personally find it more cruel to give up a child for adoption than to abort. Why? Closed institutions in Poland are also in a very bad condition. There is a journalist, who speaks about it vastly.
EDIT: So many women end up taking care of heavily disabled children. They are usually left by their husbands. Government pays very little. A few hundred złoty for a child per month, whose expenses are like a few thousands złoty per month? For a lonely mother, who can't work, because such child requires constant care? Not including special expenses like new wheelchair or new special treatment.
EDIT 2: I forgot to add. You know we have a pandemic. The situation in Poland isn't good as I vented in my previous thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/covid-19-vol-3-why-are-those-people-such-idiots.50054/. What's the problem? We should stay home but this government provoked riots, which will cause the situation to become even worse.
EDIT 3: Ok sorry for letting my emotions take over. Abortion isn't a simple topic. I'm just afraid of what my government is able to do. They simply violated women's rights. And yes our abortion law wasn't perfectly moral, but they made it even worse. I'm venting, that I have no control over my life, because I can get outvoted easily by a group of radical Catholics. I feel endangered. But I don't want to say, that abortion is always right, it isn't and we should avoid it. But we have to consider everything.
I just wanted to vent, that I am a woman in such country. Getting abroad isn't that easy, though I'm considering that option. Thank you for reading.
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