Discussion Does it mean you are mentally ill if you want to CTB?

[bluesky1972-2019]

I feel quite normal, rational and able to function reasonably ok. I have a good job, rent my own place. Been married, now divorced. Have kids etc. But still want to ctb. I have suffered with depression most of my life but feel quite calm and rational about how I'm thinking. I could have quite a discussion with a doctor about life and why I feel it's pointless. Would they consider me mentally ill and section me? Is that what society makes them do because it's not socially acceptable to want to die?

 

[wendydong1]

From what I read here, if they suspect you have concrete plans to off yourself, they will commit you to psyche ward..

 

[wildmoon]

Hi. I guess depression is classed as a mental illness. And with regards to speaking about suicide, I know here in the UK I can talk about self harm and being suicidal but they will not do much because of government cuts made to mental health funding..in England, especially. You have to be in danger for them to step in i.e have comitted suicide and be at risk. I am not sure where you are from, though.

 

[Partial-Elf]

I feel quite normal, rational and able to function reasonably ok. I have a good job, rent my own place. Been married, now divorced. Have kids etc. But still want to ctb. I have suffered with depression most of my life but feel quite calm and rational about how I'm thinking. I could have quite a discussion with a doctor about life and why I feel it's pointless. Would they consider me mentally ill and section me? Is that what society makes them do because it's not socially acceptable to want to die?

In my opinion, some people are mentally ill for NOT wanting to CTB

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

Hi. I guess depression is classed as a mental illness. And with regards to speaking about suicide, I know here in the UK I can talk about self harm and being suicidal but they will not do much because of cuts to mental health..in England, especially. You have to be in danger for them to step in i.e have comitted suicide and be at risk. I am not sure where you are from, though.

Yes you are right. I think it's extremely difficult to get any sort of Mental Health treatment even if you are crying out for help. You would probably only get sectioned if you were going to be a danger to others these days.

In my opinion, some people are mentally ill for NOT wanting to CTB

I hear you there

 

[JimFord99]

I am mentally ill, I know it, and I am deeply disturbed, too. Nobody gives a shit as long As I don't hurt or harm or even bother anyone, so, no help available. I am no physical thread and therefore of no interest. Better this way anyway.

 

[BipolarExpat]

Would they consider me mentally ill and section me? Is that what society makes them do because it's not socially acceptable to want to die?

That's pretty much the deal.

I guess you don't suffer from anxiety much(?) I ask because depression is one thing....anxiety kind of ruins the "feeling normal" parts in my experience, at least.

 

[wildmoon]

Yes you are right. I think it's extremely difficult to get any sort of Mental Health treatment even if you are crying out for help. You would probably only get sectioned if you were going to be a danger to others these days.

Unfortunate, but true. And it is sad. My friend has tried to kill herself several times and she's spent time in hospital psych units but she is always released. She noticed the violent ones were the ones who remained. So there you go!

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

That's pretty much the deal.

I guess you don't suffer from anxiety much(?) I ask because depression is one thing....anxiety kind of ruins the "feeling normal" parts in my experience, at least.

No I don't think I suffer much with anxiety. Have my good and bad days. But I think now I have a plan it's making me feel better if that makes sense? I know I can get out if it gets too much.

 

[GreyMonkey]

No I don't think I suffer much with anxiety. Have my good and bad days. But I think now I have a plan it's making me feel better if that makes sense? I know I can get out if it gets too much.

What country are you in? If you have that much of your life together and it's only ongoing depression bothering you, there are some very specific forms of therapy that can actually help (over the long term) and having your life feel ok is possible. They are less mainstream and more somatic based.

 

[wildmoon]

You sound like you are a functioning depressive (correct me if I am wrong) - and people often overlook people like that because they seem to just get on with it, but it is just as serious, in my opinion, and they need treatment, also. *hugs*

 

[I’vehadenough]

No, think about all the people who killed themselves because of a life changing event. Like a wall street guy who loses his career and jumps off a building

 

[Stan]

remember that homosexuality was considered a mental disease not too long ago. I do not know but in the UK if you said to medical professional that you were about to commit suicide they are obliged to do everything possible to stop you which includes sectioning you. And from the stories and data gained from other threads on this board, its the worst thing that could happen to you.

 

[I’vehadenough]

remember that homosexuality was considered a mental disease not too long ago. I do not know but in the UK if you said to medical professional that you were about to commit suicide they are obliged to do everything possible to stop you which includes sectioning you. And from the stories and data gained from other threads on this board, its the worst thing that could happen to you.

And what's worse than sectioning you is when they give you psych drugs and you end up looking like a drug addict like a lot of those people locked up in there

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

I could have quite a discussion with a doctor about life and why I feel it's pointless. Would they consider me mentally ill and section me? Is that what society makes them do because it's not socially acceptable to want to die?

If you were to do that, make it clear that you are only considering ctb and that you do not have any firm plans in place, and that you have a support network to keep you safe. Most GPs will take this on face value and consider your suicidal ideation to be passive, which usually isn't enough to get you sectioned (although it is enough to get you a prescription for antidepressants). I've lost count of the number of times I've BSed to various medical professionals about not having any plans or methods in mind.

 

[bluesky1972-2019]

What country are you in? If you have that much of your life together and it's only ongoing depression bothering you, there are some very specific forms of therapy that can actually help (over the long term) and having your life feel ok is possible. They are less mainstream and more somatic based.

No I have other reasons other than just depression. I think I've seen enough of this place and things aren't going to get better. It's more a question of when than if I CTB.
Thank you for your advice though.

 

[Dawn0071111]

No, think about all the people who killed themselves because of a life changing event. Like a wall street guy who loses his career and jumps off a building

Im in that group.

 

[Astral316]

Not really. I mean... survival takes effort. If there's no motivation to exert that effort, what can you do? Torture yourself with a passive method like starvation/dehydration or utilize I more deliberate yet more peaceful way to exit?

 

[I’vehadenough]

Im in that group.

Me too

 

[I’vehadenough]

Not really. I mean... survival takes effort. If there's no motivation to exert that effort, what can you do? Torture yourself with a passive method like starvation/dehydration or utilize I more deliberate yet more peaceful way to exit?

There are more peaceful ways to kill yourself, but they aren't guaranteed like starvation

 

[mathieu]

No, I don't think you need to be mentally ill to Want to CTB. Sometimes people are just in very undesirable circumstances. But of course many wanting to die have a mental illness.

 

[mnjkl]

Yes, you will be considered "mentally ill" by some extremely irrational people. I wouldn't take it personally.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I was depressed too. I used an anti-depressant and discovered the magic of a blue pill. I could be happy despite my shitty situation. I still am. I understand that everything has to do with some chemicals in the brain. Before I started using anti depressants, I was asking myself how happy everyone is in this shitty world. I knew when I took the medicine. Everything was like that scene in the Matrix. My ideas about the world had not changed, everything was in place, but I could ignore it. I think in other people this mechanism was innate. Mine was broken. This is my story, of course.

I live in turkey. Thinking about CTB here won't put you in a mental institution. It is even taken less seriously than necessary. I would recommend it if you have not been treated for depression. I was very convinced it wouldn't work, but it did. The reason I'm here right now is economic. I wish the best for you would come true.

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[Mr2005]

Depends why really doesn't it? I know I'd have to be mentally ill not to feel like this

 

[Death_is_Escape]

No: the desire to a escape Life is Rationalistic for Those of Us who are not Masochistic !!

 

[Read123456788]

I feel quite normal, rational and able to function reasonably ok. I have a good job, rent my own place. Been married, now divorced. Have kids etc. But still want to ctb. I have suffered with depression most of my life but feel quite calm and rational about how I'm thinking. I could have quite a discussion with a doctor about life and why I feel it's pointless. Would they consider me mentally ill and section me? Is that what society makes them do because it's not socially acceptable to want to die?

I think it won't always be the case that there is a mental illness when you want to ctb. I have thought this for a while but thought maybe it was just me. I have a good job, own my house, married, kids etc etc but I'm tired out and just don't want to carry on living not because I'm depressed I still feel very rational in my thoughts etc

 

[GreyMonkey]

I was depressed too. I used an anti-depressant and discovered the magic of a blue pill. I could be happy despite my shitty situation. I still am. I understand that everything has to do with some chemicals in the brain. Before I started using anti depressants, I was asking myself how happy everyone is in this shitty world. I knew when I took the medicine. Everything was like that scene in the Matrix. My ideas about the world had not changed, everything was in place, but I could ignore it. I think in other people this mechanism was innate. Mine was broken. This is my story, of course.

I live in turkey. Thinking about CTB here won't put you in a mental institution. It is even taken less seriously than necessary. I would recommend it if you have not been treated for depression. I was very convinced it wouldn't work, but it did. The reason I'm here right now is economic. I wish the best for you would come true.

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What antidepressant did you start taking?

I've started considering it, but there are some real horror stories out there...

 

[Sunset Limited]

What antidepressant did you start taking?

I've started considering it, but there are some real horror stories out there...

Selectra. OTC in my country. They even give it to children. It's a simple medicine, but it was very effective on me. You already know it won't have the same effect on everyone.

 

[sanction]

Wanting to CTB doesn't mean you are mentally ill. At least not so black and white. Lets say if someones' beloved family dies from a tragic accident, which leaves the person feeling life becoming meaningless and wants to CTB... that is normal. Or someone suffering from intense physical pain everyday due to health issues, with no end in sight, and they rather CTB. Or someone going bankrupt and losing all life savings and foresees the next 20 years to be shitty... and so forth. It depends on the situation. But of course doctors will always make it out to be some sort of illness, or label it with some special term, and literally just blindly go by the books

 

[hunthunt]

Is not depression what leads to suicide most of the time. its hopelessness.

So yeah,most suicidals are not mentally ill or weird sickos. That's why most therapies don't work for most of us.