Does anyone understand why this place is considered “evil”?

[person2]

I understand that there is some predatory behavior that exists here, but that's true anywhere. Especially online. I watched an anti Sanctioned Suicide YouTube video. The way they make it sound you'd think that people here are either victims or predators. I don't see that at all. There are some true antisocial havens out there.

 

[GeorgeEastman]

People are afraid that we will "convert" them to hating life. Life does suck so even the happies have to block out the truth to be able to pretend to be enjoying this miserable hell.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

because humans are stupid. humans consider many things as something it is truly not.
they repeat whatever they hear and whatever they think sounds smart.

for example: "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"... meanwhile they have no idea if it's a temporary problem or not.
how do they know it's not a permanent problem?

it's buzzer word bullshit, people doing and saying whatever they think will make them popular.

the truth is that for some people, suicide is the only real solution left.

why do we allow that for our pets if they suffer, but not for ourselves?

 

[LetMeOut67]

They lie
About everything
Shift the blame
It'd take a miracle for a place like this not to exist

 

[person2]

People are afraid that we will "convert" them to hating life. Life does suck so even the happies have to block out the truth to be able to pretend to be enjoying this miserable hell.

Yeah, I've found that to be true with religious people too. I guess people invest way too much into their beliefs to ever do any deep thinking of their own. It's too bad. I think the world could be a much better place people would be honest.

because humans are stupid. humans consider many things as something it is truly not.
they repeat whatever they hear and whatever they think sounds smart.

for example: "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"... meanwhile they have no idea if it's a temporary problem or not.
how do they know it's not a permanent problem?

it's buzzer word bullshit, people doing and saying whatever they think will make them popular.

the truth is that for some people, suicide is the only real solution left.

why do we allow that for our pets if they suffer, but not for ourselves?

Absolutely agree. It seems to me that groupthink is the downfall. It's a shame because there have been so many great things to come from individuals.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Absolutely agree. It seems to me that groupthink is the downfall. It's a shame because there have been so many great things to come from individuals.

yep :)
i guess the other is just easier lol... for them

 

[evanescent_eva]

Hi, it's me, I am the evil that you've been warned about. My name's Eva - short for "Evil". This place is evil because I'm here, eviling it up. Beware me, or you'll become my helpless victim. Or better yet, *don't* beware me *so* you'll become my helpless victim!

 

[LostLily]

Several people warned me that people like this is full of "malicious people" and that I might be influence to do something. No one here has ever pressured me to do anything.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Those video creators "investigated" with bias. Thats how they got it so wrong.

 

[Dongle]

I have seen so many people here telling somebody to either not do something unless they are 100% certain or to get help if they are even slightly doubtful, so idk.

Method resources are evil ig

 

[INYGTRMTFMO]

People who don't understand how suicide works sometimes think that:
- Hearing or reading about suicide "puts the idea" into someone's head who doesn't already have it
- Not vehemently condemning suicide is the same as "giving permission" for people to end their lives

Of course, research has shown time and time again that this isn't how that works. Discussions around suicide don't make the non-suicidal take their lives.

But if you don't know that research, if you've never struggled with suicidality or been really close to someone who has, you see a place like this and think "Oh no, all these folk are talking each other into going through with it!" (which of course is very NOT the case. I started looking up suicide communities because I was already suicidal). And, of course, encouraging people to die, if that's what you think is happening, is not exactly "good" by most people's definition of it (ie "don't intentionally bring harm to others")

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Those video creators "investigated" with bias. Thats how they got it so wrong.

where is this ridiculous documentary available at?

 

[rs929]

because humans are stupid. humans consider many things as something it is truly not.
they repeat whatever they hear and whatever they think sounds smart.

for example: "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"... meanwhile they have no idea if it's a temporary problem or not.
how do they know it's not a permanent problem?

it's buzzer word bullshit, people doing and saying whatever they think will make them popular.

the truth is that for some people, suicide is the only real solution left.

why do we allow that for our pets if they suffer, but not for ourselves?

It's true but at the same time, if you had to estimate a % of people in SaSu that have no possible solution or significant improvement chance, what would it be? 100%? 0%?

This doesn't mean the site is evil. We can still choose to die even if there are solutions left, because it's our fucking life. But I read many people in here and it's kind of sad because it's clear that they DO have chances of getting better.

 

[Pale_Rider]

where is this ridiculous documentary available at?

I forget what his name was. Just throw SASU full name in youtube, and you should find it.

 

[divinemistress36]

Sorry I have nothing useful to add but..

 

[darksouls]

last friday I was banned from a german chat similar to ss
I was in that chat for about 6 month
I lost my friends and they lost a friend
so I am grateful to be here

 

[SchizoGymnast]

SaSu is a place where people talk openly about taboo topics and where people challenge conventional wisdom on health and recovery. That will make you a target every time. Ask me how I know.

 

[Apathy79]

I think it is only considered evil in certain small circles. Mostly started by grieving parents who thought their confused child was groomed for suicide here when if they never found this place they would have gotten over whatever phase they were going through. The odd news article picks up on those stories. But the vast majority of the world has no idea places like this even exist. I would say the average person wouldn't want children to be here, but adults they wouldn't see an issue.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I have seen so many people here telling somebody to either not do something unless they are 100% certain or to get help if they are even slightly doubtful, so idk.

Method resources are evil ig

that's the thing, I'm scared to post CTB ideas in case my post influences someone's death. tho moral distinctions of 'who posted what' tends to blur when there is so much info on CTB that if I didn't attempt out of urgency and followed the steps well, I'd not be posting here. (and my death wish is low at time of posting)

 

[ididnotconsent]

Maybe they should be asking themselves what kind of world they fucking live in, where a site like this has to exist in the first place, and not get too preachy.

 

[person2]

I think it is only considered evil in certain small circles. Mostly started by grieving parents who thought their confused child was groomed for suicide here when if they never found this place they would have gotten over whatever phase they were going through. The odd news article picks up on those stories. But the vast majority of the world has no idea places like this even exist. I would say the average person wouldn't want children to be here, but adults they wouldn't see an issue.

I respectfully disagree. A good chunk of people would support the right to die for somebody that is physically disabled, but very few would support the big picture. You don't have to live if you don't want to.

 

[monetpompo]

Hi, it's me, I am the evil that you've been warned about. My name's Eva - short for "Evil".

i was gonna say that I was the evil one but clearly you're the most evil. i'm cowering. you're so evil and scary... i can't take it....



guards? GUARDS?

 

[person2]

It's true but at the same time, if you had to estimate a % of people in SaSu that have no possible solution or significant improvement chance, what would it be? 100%? 0%?

This doesn't mean the site is evil. We can still choose to die even if there are solutions left, because it's our fucking life. But I read many people in here and it's kind of sad because it's clear that they DO have chances of getting better.

Surely true. Especially for young people. That's why we have SI though. If it's bad enough that you make it through that, then maybe there's validity to it being a choice.

People who don't understand how suicide works sometimes think that:
- Hearing or reading about suicide "puts the idea" into someone's head who doesn't already have it
- Not vehemently condemning suicide is the same as "giving permission" for people to end their lives

Of course, research has shown time and time again that this isn't how that works. Discussions around suicide don't make the non-suicidal take their lives.

But if you don't know that research, if you've never struggled with suicidality or been really close to someone who has, you see a place like this and think "Oh no, all these folk are talking each other into going through with it!" (which of course is very NOT the case. I started looking up suicide communities because I was already suicidal). And, of course, encouraging people to die, if that's what you think is happening, is not exactly "good" by most people's definition of it (ie "don't intentionally bring harm to others")

Agreed. You laid it out well.

 

[femcelloser]

I remember watching that video when It came out. Still just as suicidal then as I was now. But I remember leaving the video thinking "wow. What a heinous website". Years later I join SaSu without even realizing it's the site they were talking about. Blows my mind how kind everyone is here

 

[person2]

where is this ridiculous documentary available at?

That I'm referring to is a video by user tanracrul and is called encouraging the young to die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think the strongest protestors to this forum have lost people to suicide. They likely don't want to accept that it was a choice that their loved one made either freely or rationally because, it means accepting that they chose to abandon them.

Their loved one may also have been suffering from a mental illness so, the 'professionals' out there may be keen to insist on the idea that they didn't have proper mental capacity and could be negatively influenced by a forum such as this. Either in terms of more passively- being in a negative echo chamber or, directly- they may believe they were encouraged to do it here. (Which doesn't happen- in my experience.)

Either way though- I suspect they see the forum as the equivalent of handing a loaded gun to someone who isn't entirely in their right mind. I imagine one of the biggest concerns/ criticisms is access to method information. They fail I think, to properly acknowledge how difficult it then sometimes is to obtain methods.

It puzzles me a little how they square such mental incompetency, unorganised thought and impulsivity with someone who manages to join a website, research, source everything needed and follow a sometimes fairly complicated protocol to suicide.

I have very mixed feelings about it myself- if I'm honest. While I'm grateful for the information myself. While I believe sound minded adults should be able to make the choice for themself, the bigger problem is the internet itself. How do you reliably gatekeep potentially lethal information? The answer is- you can't really- even if access was officially age restricted. We can't assess competency here entirely. But then, it shouldn't need to be up to us. Assisted suicide should be legalised and regulated.

Basically though, people who see suicide as an evil or even totally tragic act with no justification will see forums that don't actively oppose/ discouage it evil too.

 

[LetMeOut67]

There was a BBC documentary about this site recently but I can't find any trace of it

There was a BBC documentary about this site recently but I can't find any trace of it

Scams & Scandals - Killed By The Internet

Reeling from the death of seventeen year old Vlad, his family reveal the terror he suffered as they tried and failed to save his life. Police body worn video captures the chaos of his last moments.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[leloyon]

Because these people consider suicide inherently bad, and thus anyone who doesn't try every single means possible to prevent someone from committing suicide, no matter how much pain that person is going through and how much pain their efforts may cause (most people I've run into who have been to mental hospitals have spoken about how traumatic their experiences were, for example), is automatically evil for not doing so, and could only be causing them to commit suicide when they otherwise wouldn't. Any other narrative is utterly inconceivable to them.
The government and press are determined to keep this as the status quo.

 

[Apathy79]

There was a BBC documentary about this site recently but I can't find any trace of it

Scams & Scandals - Killed By The Internet

Reeling from the death of seventeen year old Vlad, his family reveal the terror he suffered as they tried and failed to save his life. Police body worn video captures the chaos of his last moments.

www.bbc.co.uk

Annoyingly geoblocked outside UK and surprisingly effective at detecting VPNs! Wonder if its on Youtube

Edit:

Spoiler: Youtube Link

 

[Dot]

Those video creators "investigated" with bias. Thats how they got it so wrong.

Am stll w8tng fr infrmatn abt th/ 'subscriptn servce' tht h/ s/ confdntly spke abt