• UK users: Due to a formal investigation into this site by Ofcom under the UK Online Safety Act 2023, we strongly recommend using a trusted, no-logs VPN. This will help protect your privacy, bypass censorship, and maintain secure access to the site. Read the full VPN guide here.

  • Hey Guest,

    Today, OFCOM launched an official investigation into Sanctioned Suicide under the UK’s Online Safety Act. This has already made headlines across the UK.

    This is a clear and unprecedented overreach by a foreign regulator against a U.S.-based platform. We reject this interference and will be defending the site’s existence and mission.

    In addition to our public response, we are currently seeking legal representation to ensure the best possible defense in this matter. If you are a lawyer or know of one who may be able to assist, please contact us at [email protected].

    Read our statement here:

    Donate via cryptocurrency:

    Bitcoin (BTC): 34HyDHTvEhXfPfb716EeEkEHXzqhwtow1L
    Ethereum (ETH): 0xd799aF8E2e5cEd14cdb344e6D6A9f18011B79BE9
    Monero (XMR): 49tuJbzxwVPUhhDjzz6H222Kh8baKe6rDEsXgE617DVSDD8UKNaXvKNU8dEVRTAFH9Av8gKkn4jDzVGF25snJgNfUfKKNC8
plan c

plan c

My last resort.
Nov 8, 2022
143
The permanent condition as Buddhists would say is life is suffering. There is no avoiding this fact about reality. My experience with psychiatrists and being labeled bipolar is that these doctors say a lot of stuff but the entire field of psychiatry is a poorly executed guessing game for diagnosises and then pushing ineffective meds to "fix" or "treat" what they think is going on.

I was labeled bipolar because it was the typical thing for this hospital to do to most of the patients. I was there for alcohol detox and that's where I first received a psych diagnosis as an adult and walked out of there on like 5 or 6 psych meds. They convinced me that I just had to find the right psych drug cocktail and that my personal issues would disappear. That I was "broken" with a "chemical imbalance" and could not function well without them.

That was 12 years ago and since then discovered that the diagnosis and the meds were neither going to make me better. I have spent a lot of time researching manic depression and all the other diagnosises. I don't get manic or hypo manic unless I am on a strong stimulant and while I've had depression at varying degrees my entire life I don't rapidly cycle between highs and lows as described for BP. I stopped calling myself bipolar a couple of years ago.

Besides the scam that the DSM (psychiatrist diagnosis book) is psych meds are even a bigger one. I've been on a bunch of different cocktails over the years so I understand what their effects are. I honestly believe that for most who gain any "benefit" it's a placebo effect that's doing it. Sure the various meds certainly have some psychological effects but for the vast majority it's the act of going to a doctor and then taking a drug for their "illness" that helps them not the actual meds themselves.

If you look at studies on most psych meds they either have non-existant efficiency like all SSRIs/SNRIs or like with anti-psychotics they work because they dope the person enough that they can't engage in their troublesome behavior. All psych drugs have awful side effects. I've accepted that I'm "mentally ill" as our sick society defines it but I would be concerned if I was declared well by the same system. I no longer feel compelled to take harmful medications with terrible side effects.
My experiences with psychiatry weren't satisfactory. And in retrospect it wasn't unexpected. Psychiatrists aren't gods, and I personally feel there were a lot of things escaping their notice or outside their areas of expertise about what life of a person could be like as well.

That life itself is a permanent problem isn't a "negative statement". Just like a problem of all the maths and sciences that requires a lot of knowledge, thoughts and acts from different perspectives in order to be solved.
Psychotherapy in this case, no matter how fancy that would sound like, is only a method that enables us to look at things from one of many angles.
I do see many a person preoccupied with all therapies and meds. Most of which either put very high expectations upon the treatments or overthink about particular technique like rTMX or music therapy.
Yet to me, psychotherapy is only one of many things to do, and I always felt a psychiatrist was more than what I needed.
It's unwise to chase one's thought down the rabbit hole of the therapy, or the mental condition, and forget how to live.
Trust me that life is complex and has many dimensions. Nothing, including psychotherapy can make it better just on its own. One vector cannot span R5, and there's no such thing that alone works as simple solution to life.


P.S. Research is always a thing to do. Just that as far as I'm concerned, doing so under the idea of self - salvation isn't a good idea. For a long time I'be been doing phil and psych while I felt it no more than a task to be done. It never became my academic interest.
Until once I came across some philosophy readings. I thought I found the right way to configure my motivation of doing such research:
Not omniscient as we are, still hate the feelings of not knowing things, right?
My experiences with psychiatry weren't satisfactory. And in retrospect it wasn't unexpected. Psychiatrists aren't gods, and I personally feel there were a lot of things escaping their notice or outside their areas of expertise about what life of a person could be like as well.

That life itself is a permanent problem isn't a "negative statement". Just like a problem of all the maths and sciences that requires a lot of knowledge, thoughts and acts from different perspectives in order to be solved.
Psychotherapy in this case, no matter how fancy that would sound like, is only a method that enables us to look at things from one of many angles.
I do see many a person preoccupied with all therapies and meds. Most of which either put very high expectations upon the treatments or overthink about particular technique like rTMX or music therapy.
Yet to me, psychotherapy is only one of many things to do, and I always felt a psychiatrist was more than what I needed.
It's unwise to chase one's thought down the rabbit hole of the therapy, or the mental condition, and forget how to live.
Trust me that life is complex and has many dimensions. Nothing, including psychotherapy can make it better just on its own. One vector cannot span R5, and there's no such thing that alone works as simple solution to life.


P.S. Research is always a thing to do. Just that as far as I'm concerned, doing so under the idea of self - salvation isn't a good idea. For a long time I'be been doing phil and psych while I felt it no more than a task to be done. It never became my academic interest.
Until once I came across some philosophy readings. I thought I found the right way to configure my motivation of doing such research:
Not omniscient as we are, still hate the feelings of not knowing things, right?
Plus... as a personal opinion, ctb kills you, but doesn't really kill the life-problem along with you.
Should you run into a difficult maths problem, simply trashing the piece of paper on which the problem is written doesn't destroy the problem.
Similarly your body and existence serves only as a means through which the grand problem reveals itself. With the miserability still being there, ctb doesn't make a difference. Those who refuses to die are still possessed with the "problem" and continue to suffer.
Ctb to me is of no more meaning than that. I do acknowledge that my mentality has been to a point where there's no returning to normal life. Yet before I dispatch myself, I decided to work on the problem as much as I could so that when it passes to others who refuses to die, they may work it out, hopefully with the basis of work I've done.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Altvtysp
Altvtysp

Altvtysp

Member
Nov 5, 2022
96
My experiences with psychiatry weren't satisfactory. And in retrospect it wasn't unexpected. Psychiatrists aren't gods, and I personally feel there were a lot of things escaping their notice or outside their areas of expertise about what life of a person could be like as well.

That life itself is a permanent problem isn't a "negative statement". Just like a problem of all the maths and sciences that requires a lot of knowledge, thoughts and acts from different perspectives in order to be solved.
Psychotherapy in this case, no matter how fancy that would sound like, is only a method that enables us to look at things from one of many angles.
I do see many a person preoccupied with all therapies and meds. Most of which either put very high expectations upon the treatments or overthink about particular technique like rTMX or music therapy.
Yet to me, psychotherapy is only one of many things to do, and I always felt a psychiatrist was more than what I needed.
It's unwise to chase one's thought down the rabbit hole of the therapy, or the mental condition, and forget how to live.
Trust me that life is complex and has many dimensions. Nothing, including psychotherapy can make it better just on its own. One vector cannot span R5, and there's no such thing that alone works as simple solution to life.


P.S. Research is always a thing to do. Just that as far as I'm concerned, doing so under the idea of self - salvation isn't a good idea. For a long time I'be been doing phil and psych while I felt it no more than a task to be done. It never became my academic interest.
Until once I came across some philosophy readings. I thought I found the right way to configure my motivation of doing such research:
Not omniscient as we are, still hate the feelings of not knowing things, right?

Plus... as a personal opinion, ctb kills you, but doesn't really kill the life-problem along with you.
Should you run into a difficult maths problem, simply trashing the piece of paper on which the problem is written doesn't destroy the problem.
Similarly your body and existence serves only as a means through which the grand problem reveals itself. With the miserability still being there, ctb doesn't make a difference. Those who refuses to die are still possessed with the "problem" and continue to suffer.
Ctb to me is of no more meaning than that. I do acknowledge that my mentality has been to a point where there's no returning to normal life. Yet before I dispatch myself, I decided to work on the problem as much as I could so that when it passes to others who refuses to die, they may work it out, hopefully with the basis of work I've done.
Very insightful response and I really appreciate it. My opinion is that psychiatry is way less effective than therapy but if I thought either could help me right now I would give them an attempt before CTB. Psychiatrists are drug pushers and nothing more. All the ones I've ever had barely knew who I was and made ignorant guesses about my issues and conditions then chose whatever psych meds where available to "treat" it. They literally schedule appointments for like 5 minutes long after the initial consultation which would be a half hour trying to figure out a person's lifetime of suffering and sum it up with a couple of labels. At least therapists actually talked to me about things of course that's when I felt comfortable to be actually honest with them.

I don't have any major trauma in my life like I wasn't molested as a child or experienced violence or anything like that. I have really good parents and my childhood was generally good. I could list why I've gotten to this point but I just have a CTB mindset which I could suppress when life was going decent but dominates my brain when life is shit. I had my life basically ripped apart 2 weeks ago. The nice part about that is it really wasn't my fault like it has been most of the other times but that doesn't ultimately matter.

Besides my personal life the greater world and society has also become quite unbearable. I don't even want to get into specifics because I'm sure everyone will disagree in some way and then get personally offended that I don't agree with them 100% on everything. Wanting to CTB isn't about what's going on in the world its about my personal life. Everything could be shit (as it's always been) it doesn't directly affect me so I don't care. It took a lot to get back on track this last year and even the idea of attempting to rebuild what I lost is so intolerable that I'm not even trying to start the process.

Maybe I'll type out what I've had to go through these last few years before I hang myself tomorrow but what is intolerable is the idea of rebuilding my life over and over and over again to know that I'll end up destroying any progress I make and have to start from scratch again and again and again. Yeah this time I'm not homeless but there is no way I'm waiting to get to that point. I'd rather leave before the holidays arrives anyways so my family can start the healing process now.

I'm choosing CTB because any of the other "solutions" are really terrible. I'm done. I'm only bothering to make a 1 minute video to send to family (no written note) and I don't care about deleting embarrassing stuff on my phone or computer because I'm not going to be here so it doesn't matter to me. My family already knows why I did it before it's done. Yeah learning about psychiatry and philosophy are great even spirituality but it doesn't change that I cannot tolerate existing any longer. I should have CTB today but that's alright.
 

Similar threads

Polyxo
Replies
5
Views
557
Suicide Discussion
diopdawe
diopdawe
R
Discussion Just a hunch
Replies
6
Views
460
Suicide Discussion
Pale_Rider
Pale_Rider
C
Replies
37
Views
2K
Suicide Discussion
hazelmoon
hazelmoon