I can't help but laugh at this, that's a good one. I come from a religious upbringing myself so I'm used to those sentiments, like everything being according to "God's plan" and that one's life is a gift. Though I can't help but feel sad that it's an unfortunate truth that the reason suicide is looked down upon is because you're taking your life into your control and that's somehow very selfish as if your very existence is for others.
No HONESTLY. I've been disillusioned with the whole idea of religion for a while now, but this always bugs me. Doing anything that could possibly hurt others is considered selfish. Like the whole idea of suicide (in a religious community especially) being a selfish act? It seems like a cheap argument, putting family/friends/others' feelings and thoughts above that of the individual. It just baffles me, the whole idea of existing FOR other people, like you said. It infuriates me to no end.
I get you, I get you a lot! I still believe in a God, but that doesn't mean I have to respect said God. I don't get it either, I can absolutely get things like rape or unjustified murder being deemed sins that would land you in Hell for being flagrant acts of degeneracy and selfishness but I never truly understood why suicide specifically is an act accosted to such level of sin and selfishness. It seems like an extremely cheap argument, and it has gotten to the point that I feel it's an unintentional "crabs in a bucket" mentality from others. If you're suffering and want to commit suicide you're selfish and/or a coward for not sticking it out and suffering like everyone else. This is a bit off-topic, but for a long while I used to live purely for my family because I have nothing else to live for, but when I expressed this to my mother she said that was incredibly selfish and terrible. I got where she's coming from but it is like I can't live for others but I can't bring my own life peace if living is bringing genuine suffering or discomfort for the foreseeable future.
That's another issue I have! I don't understand how a reasonable person (or a god) could view all "sins" as equal. Like you're telling me rape and murder are exactly equivalent to lying or blasphemy? Idk it just seems like a double standard to me, especially when it comes to the topic of suicide. I also had a similar experience, actually! Telling people in my life I lived for them alone, they didn't seem to understand that. In fact, people acting negatively to that will always baffle me. It's such a hypocritical sentiment, like it's selfish to take my life because you love me, alright. But it's also selfish to live for you? Cause the responsibility lies on your shoulders, or what? The mentality seems to be "live for yourself" but what if you can't? It seems there's no way to avoid causing others pain or feeling like their emotional state relies on you. All arguments seem to just be backing us into corners.
i had a few friends die in berlin (the city) as a result of drugs and suicide so it's a city i associate with death
