Does anyone find it selfish when people want you to live?

[make_00]

I know some people call suicide selfish, but it feels the opposite to me?
people don't care how much you are suffering, they just want to abide by morals
they want you to suffer to preserve their own happiness

I say this but I am currently staying here out of love for my parents,
no matter how bad it gets I have promised myself I'll stay here until they are gone or I pass away in some freak accident/illness

so I guess it crosses my mind sometimes when I'm having a very bad day and I get angry that I have to stay here for them

 

[Enoughnow]

Yup my sister called me selfish once for wanting to die she said think about everybody else for a change what about me what about the impact that would have on me
I honestly thought you selfish bustard I'm supposed to suffer so you don't have to
Also if someone's talking about being in so much pain there going to die then turn it into
Hey what about me is very selfish

 

[FuneralCry]

It's really selfish expecting someone to suffer against their wishes. We never asked for this life in the first place anyway. Suicide is a human right and a personal decision and others should have no say in it. If they want to live then that's their choice but they shouldn't force others to. We all experience life differently after all and I just think that many others will never be able to understand what we go through.

 

[make_00]

It's really selfish expecting someone to suffer against their wishes. We never asked for this life in the first place anyway. Suicide is a human right and a personal decision and others should have no say in it. If they want to live then that's their choice but they shouldn't force others to. We all experience life differently after all and I just think that many others will never be able to understand.

yeah, I wish we could have an option to peacefully go without traumatizing anyone who finds the body or being in excruciating pain.. I don't want to hurt anyone, I just don't want to be here

 

[deathisnear]

I absolutely agree, 100%! It makes me real angry. As someone who has pretty much lived their entire life for others, damn does it get old. Suicide is not selfish, none of us asked to be here and we should not be demanded to stay. I want so badly for people to stop caring about me and let me go and do what I need to do to find peace, and I get frustrated and angry and think of people who want me to stay as selfish. It is notselfish to end pain that you never asked for, it is selfish for people to demand you stay for their reasons when it's not their lives and they can't imagine the pain of existance most of us carry

 

[make_00]

Yup my sister called me selfish once for wanting to die she said think about everybody else for a change what about me what about the impact that would have on me
I honestly thought you selfish bustard I'm supposed to suffer so you don't have to
Also if someone's talking about being in so much pain there going to die then turn it into
Hey what about me is very selfish

"I'm supposed to suffer so you don't have to"

the cause of so much frustration, and the fact that not wanting to suffer makes you a 'bad' person

 

[SexyIncél]

People say all kinds of things to make you pause, to get you to act differently

It works because of Brandolini's Law: takes 10X more energy & time to refute bullshit than to create it

And so they eat your energy & time everytime they open their mouths, killing you incrementally

 

[make_00]

I absolutely agree, 100%! It makes me real angry. As someone who has pretty much lived their entire life for others, damn does it get old. Suicide is not selfish, none of us asked to be here and we should not be demanded to stay. I want so badly for people to stop caring about me and let me go and do what I need to do to find peace, and I get frustrated and angry and think of people who want me to stay as selfish. It is notselfish to end pain that you never asked for, it is selfish for people to demand you stay for their reasons when it's not their lives and they can't imagine the pain of existance most of us carry

I've thought of doing anything I can to make everyone who loves me hate me and break ties off with me to make it easier on them, even. so I definitely relate on the wishing they would stop caring - and some people may wish for someone TO care, I can understand, but when it's a suffocating love.. it's not good.

 

[SCW]

Not at all. These people are having issues separating how they feel from how you feel.

So many people scream my body, my right but very few actually mean it.

 

[make_00]

Not at all. These people are having issues separating how they feel from how you feel.

So many people scream my body, my right but very few actually mean it.

interesting way to look at it
what is 'meaning it' to you?

 

[tiny_dancer]

Um, yes!! My family watches he suffer terribly, but they want me to keep fighting, and stick around because they love me and don't want to be without me. So it's ok for me to suffer 24/7 so they all don't have to, even though they still get to go on and live their lives pain-free.

It is notselfish to end pain that you never asked for

100%

 

[SCW]

interesting way to look at it
what is 'meaning it' to you?

It's such a blanket statement. Right now especially you'll hear versions of it all over the internet. Most only want it for that one issue but just like the line says it's my body, I'll do whatever I want with it. I can choose to take it out for hikes, parachute from airplanes, sit around at home or even ctb. Only one person is living my life, only that one person has any control over what I do with it.

There's nothing any more selfish about going than being forced to stay.

 

[make_00]

It's such a blanket statement. Right now especially you'll hear versions of it all over the internet. Most only want it for that one issue but just like the line says it's my body, I'll do whatever I want with it. I can choose to take it out for hikes, parachute from airplanes, sit around at home or even ctb. Only one person is living my life, only that one person has any control over what I do with it.

There's nothing any more selfish about going than being forced to stay.

while I don't share the same view, thanks for telling me about yours - it's something to think abt definitely

 

[summers]

To answer the tread title, yes, it is selfish. But I also tell friends from ss I want them to live because I care about them, and selfishly, I'll miss them. I think it's completely natural and normal to want people you care about to live.

The difference comes with do they still respect your decision. Even if I want someone to live, if they are sure it's their time to go, I wouldn't stop them, and I would do everything I could to make their passing as peaceful as possible.

 

[Marktheghost]

They don't want me to live, they just want me to go on suffering.
They either haven't thought it through properly or they hate me.
And yes, it's extremely selfish.

 

[obafgkm]

People who call suicide selfish are probably the same people who like the idea of selfish genes.

Selfish is fine if it's pro life.

 

[Hollowillow]

I know some people call suicide selfish, but it feels the opposite to me?
people don't care how much you are suffering, they just want to abide by morals
they want you to suffer to preserve their own happiness

I say this but I am currently staying here out of love for my parents,
no matter how bad it gets I have promised myself I'll stay here until they are gone or I pass away in some freak accident/illness

so I guess it crosses my mind sometimes when I'm having a very bad day and I get angry that I have to stay here for them

They put you here you owe them nothing.

I hate how the suicide ressoyrces are willing to get me drugged or tied in a psych ward but not tell the social ressoyrces to stop illegally denying me my needs & services.

 

[CowsAreCool]

Selfishness goes both ways.

Suicide can be selfish. You are choosing to ease your pain at the expense of your loved ones suffering. It's transferring your suffering to someone else.

Keeping someone alive who's suffering, purely for the sake of your own emotional well-being, is just as selfish.

It's like yin and yang. People who impulsively commit suicide, for little to no reason, could be viewed as extremely selfish, since they took little time to weight the consequences of their actions or consider their loved ones.

Meanwhile, there are those with untreatable severe clinical depression, or who are paralyzed from an accident. They might want to end their lives and their suffering. Those who demand they stay alive simply because "life is precious" or some other platitudes are equally selfish in my book.

At the end of the day, you cannot life for the sake of another person. It's akin to slavery.

 

[Enoughnow]

"I'm supposed to suffer so you don't have to"

the cause of so much frustration, and the fact that not wanting to suffer makes you a 'bad' person

I'm not entirely sure I understand what your saying hun
Sorry I'm not very well educated I don't get what you mean x

 

[outrider567]

Nobody's business what I do--Don't want to hear what's left of my family's opinions on suicide so I don't tell them--Nothing's selfish about it anyway because for most people it is a uniquely personal kind of suffering, certainly mine is

 

[literallydonee]

Yes!!! Someone is going to pass before the other. One of you is going to be hurt by the others passing, why not the person suffering the absolute most who wants to end things early be allowed to go first? Why would you want your loved one alive and suffering every day. I used to think suicide was selfish but yeah, now I find keeping people from choosing their end on their own terms to be selfish and unfair.

Nobody's business what I do--Don't want to hear what's left of my family's opinions on suicide so I don't tell them--Nothing's selfish about it anyway because for most people it is a uniquely personal kind of suffering, certainly mine is

So true. All of our suffering is uniquely our own, who are YOU to tell me "it gets better" "don't do it get help" "you're selfish" etc. You have no idea my pain. Walk a mile in my shoes and then tell me to live.

 

[Hollowillow]

I'm so fed up of a world shaming us. You rest? Lazy! You feel sad after abuse? Crazy! You die? Selfish!

No wonder people want out of this slave machine.

 

[Darkover]

it's extremely selfish to bring another machine alive into this world due to its horribleness, nobody asked to be born here and given the choice beforehand most would simple say no it's better to not exist at all, it be better if there was a mass exdos of machines leaving this terrible world behind
all those that want to be free will be

 

[DreamSurfer]

I just recently went through this very convo with someone I am very close with. She cried and told me about the people that would miss me. I rebuttled with, so everyone expects me to just continue suffering? I told her that I am not living, I am merely existing with hardly any joy ever, no outlook, nothing excites me or gives me anything to look forward to. That was just scratching the surface of what I said.

She finally understood but I messed up and promised to stick around until I see her and we can sit down and talk. But ultimately this just made me angry at myself as I had planned to end things at the end of august. I am passed my self set expiration date at my cost, for someone else.

Ultimately people will get over a loss and move on with their lives. But if we stay, most of us don't get to move on from our situations and suffering..

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

In my case, People want to help me find happiness so I am grateful for their concern… Even though I think it's futile….

 

[gimzero]

It depend what life you live or if you have unfinished job to do so its easy if you go ctb younger.

 

[chloramine]

I think it's more how they express that desire. I don't want any of my friends to die. That's a perfectly normal desire. If people not wanting you to die means they guilt you or force you into further suffering to ensure you live then that seems selfish to me. If it's someone expressing "I care about you and I like having you around and I don't want to lose you" then personally I don't think that, in and of itself, is selfish.