Venting does anyone else resent how nonsensical and out of teach mental health treatment and society’s view of psychology is?

[uboa.rust]

i find it hard to think that what i experience is just a "phase" or impermanent. i've struggled with so many of these issues i have down to every little intricacy since i was a child. it feels weird being told what i have is a "disorder" and not just temperament that is mismatched deeply with my environment, both on a personal level but also existentially.

i resent that there may be no real explanation for why i am the way i am beyond me simply being this way from the start, and the pain coming from how i can not and will never live comfortably in this world just because of the way i am. there's no name i can give to my pain or my behaviors and it bothers me.

i think i'm reflecting about this so much because i've been told i have X thing or Y thing over and over. every random fucking disorder getting every treatment with 0 improvement. i wish i could explain why i suddenly become infatuated with people for a short period of time only to then instantly and suddenly not have any feelings for them, only to realize i never had feelings for them at all and i watch my entire life from a distance. i wish i could explain why i feel like none of this shit matters and why everything, even things that people find normal, feel so absurd and pointless. work, school, obligations or responsibilities or "being productive" all feel so pointless to the point i wish i could just be homeless and live off welfare or some shit until i get bored and kill myself

life is just never ending pain, but i'm still told that "it is alllll temporary" or "you'll go back to your normal self" when there wasn't a normal self to begin with.

 

[MyLifeisHell]

I also think some people have various emotional neurotypes that may be put down as mental illness but aren't truly fairly described as such.

 

[_Gollum_]

Ultimately psychology/psychiatry's job is to establish the bounds of "normal" according to the current zeitgeist, and then to try to return those who fall outside the bounds back within the fold, as they are "sick" people in need of a cure. Hence why a lot of things we now consider normal used to be considered mental illnesses (ex. homosexuality). I don't think this is always a bad thing, actually; I just think they're sleeping at the wheel when it comes to pessimistic, melancholic, and suicidal people. Imo they should've expanded the definition of "normal" to include these people right around the time MAID programs started coming into effect.

Their arguments for treating such people as sick are fundamentally spiritual in nature, even though they're supposed to be a scientific discipline. So if you ask them why you shouldn't commit suicide when you have xyz rational reasons to do so, and zero reasons not to, they will spout out some BS like "Life is precious! You are worthy! You matter! Life is a gift!" Which are claims that can be defended by theists but not by supposedly secular scientists. They have no place in modern psychology/psychiatry but I doubt they will ever change because the pro-life bias is so deeply ingrained in humanity. If anything anti-suicide policies have only worsened in recent decades, it's sickening. Why is it a virtue to force people to suffer?

 

[witchcraft]

If it weren't so frustrating, it'd be comical when I hear "CTB is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" when I take issue with fundamental and seemingly unchangeable aspects of my life and our society.

In other words, no, my problem is not temporary unless they're making a morbid joke about how I'll die eventually anyway so there's no rush.

I tried therapy for 10 years, genuinely. I don't actively discourage therapy but my takeaway is that if you're not susceptible to hypnosis or outright gaslighting, chances are it won't achieve much. If you become aware of the placebo it won't work. I don't need someone to talk to, ffs. I need my life to actually change. Most people wouldn't tell someone to go pay for a hooker if they're having dating troubles, and most people wouldn't tell someone to delude themselves with a chatbot when they tell you they want a true friend, so I don't know why a therapist is treated differently than a hooker or a chatbot. It's a cheap imitation just like the rest.

Our apparent panacea for human suffering is to trick people into thinking they have some kind of mental disorder and are "crazy" for reacting to their life and the world around them, or even existence in this universe itself if they're of the existential persuasion.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

Stoicism is a psyop that was originally used to placate slaves. The mental health industry has nothing to offer me. But everyone repeat the mantra, "Please see a therapist." Whenever someone is sensibly discontent with their place in the world or the world itself, "Please see a therapist." Whenever anyone starts asking difficult questions that may lead to answers that are inconvenient to the ruling class, "PLEASE SEE A THERAPIST."

 

[uboa.rust]

Ultimately psychology/psychiatry's job is to establish the bounds of "normal" according to the current zeitgeist, and then to try to return those who fall outside the bounds back within the fold, as they are "sick" people in need of a cure. Hence why a lot of things we now consider normal used to be considered mental illnesses (ex. homosexuality). I don't think this is always a bad thing, actually; I just think they're sleeping at the wheel when it comes to pessimistic, melancholic, and suicidal people. Imo they should've expanded the definition of "normal" to include these people right around the time MAID programs started coming into effect.

Their arguments for treating such people as sick are fundamentally spiritual in nature, even though they're supposed to be a scientific discipline. So if you ask them why you shouldn't commit suicide when you have xyz rational reasons to do so, and zero reasons not to, they will spout out some BS like "Life is precious! You are worthy! You matter! Life is a gift!" Which are claims that can be defended by theists but not by supposedly secular scientists. They have no place in modern psychology/psychiatry but I doubt they will ever change because the pro-life bias is so deeply ingrained in humanity. If anything anti-suicide policies have only worsened in recent decades, it's sickening. Why is it a virtue to force people to suffer?

the way they say "life has inherent meaning" or "you matter" has always been one of those things that bothered me especially. maybe this doesn't apply to the latter, but they definitely do genuinely believe the former, that life has inherent meaning.

it's something i don't understand and honestly i find it kind of arrogant, the idea that somehow being alive as a human being is a blessing and that by some unseen "law" we are the most important or most valuable creatures to ever exist, and that every action we do has any impact at all. why is it so hard for people to believe that not everybody is the same? not everybody will feel the way they're told is "normal", or see the way they do, or value the things they do, and that wanting to commit suicide for those reasons isn't abnormal, it's a response to the realization that they aren't aligned with the values forced on them. if being conscious means we're so varied, why do we see suicidal ideation as abnormal? so odd

 

[alchemizecosystem]

i find it hard to think that what i experience is just a "phase" or impermanent. i've struggled with so many of these issues i have down to every little intricacy since i was a child. it feels weird being told what i have is a "disorder" and not just temperament that is mismatched deeply with my environment, both on a personal level but also existentially.

i resent that there may be no real explanation for why i am the way i am beyond me simply being this way from the start, and the pain coming from how i can not and will never live comfortably in this world just because of the way i am. there's no name i can give to my pain or my behaviors and it bothers me.

i think i'm reflecting about this so much because i've been told i have X thing or Y thing over and over. every random fucking disorder getting every treatment with 0 improvement. i wish i could explain why i suddenly become infatuated with people for a short period of time only to then instantly and suddenly not have any feelings for them, only to realize i never had feelings for them at all and i watch my entire life from a distance. i wish i could explain why i feel like none of this shit matters and why everything, even things that people find normal, feel so absurd and pointless. work, school, obligations or responsibilities or "being productive" all feel so pointless to the point i wish i could just be homeless and live off welfare or some shit until i get bored and kill myself

life is just never ending pain, but i'm still told that "it is alllll temporary" or "you'll go back to your normal self" when there wasn't a normal self to begin with.

Psychology is oppressive, the DSM is oppressive. A "disorder" is a label put on someone as if the way they are reacting to a very fucked up world is wrong. You're reacting to your environment and there's nothing wrong with that. Mass death, production over humanity, systems that oppress, etc. They do not consider circumstance, environment, access to resources, etc.

being productive in capitalism is pointless!! It only serves money and power. These money hungry systems have only existed for 500 or so years and people have been on earth for much longer. We aren't given the care and space to be humans, to have passions and live with the earth without heavy weight to survive in a system that is meant to kill us and the earth, slowly, for profit, in every way.

Overall, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with you. There's everything wrong with this world.

I'm sorry if this wasn't helpful to answer the questions of why you deal with certain issues and cannot find a name or treatment that works for you. I struggle in a similar way and learning more about the oppressive systems at play has helped me understand that it's not me, I'm actually reacting quite normally to a sick society and world that doesn't teach us healthy relational skills and doesn't value our inherit humanity beyond production to line pockets.

 

[Chronical_Suicidal]

Being suicidal, in psychiatric and psychological fields, is a symptom of severe depression, and demands medication, therapy, hospitalization. Its said that you see things with distorted lens based on neurotransmitter imbalance.

Imo, however, being suicidal means lucidity, seeing things how they are - chaotic, random, unpredictable - and not adapting to it. In conclusion, life isn't for everyone, and should not be an obligation.