Doctors have it wrong. The goal should be to minimise suffering.

[aGoodDayToDie]

Sometimes the only way to do that is euthanasia

 

[dinosavr]

I totally agree. I hope one day they'll understand that sometimes (if not always) death is a better option than life, especially when it's pure suffering. I don't get it why they believe it's a good thing to do to force anyone to breathe until they die anyway just a couple of years in pain later. It makes no sense!

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

I totally agree. I hope one day they'll understand that sometimes (if not always) death is a better option than life, especially when it's pure suffering. I don't get it why they believe it's a good thing to do to force anyone to breathe until they die anyway just a couple of years in pain later. It makes no sense!

It's different in Belgium. They have euthanised people who even just suffer with depression. And they have euthanised foreigners. So there's some hope! It's tragic hoe long it's taking the rest of the world to catch up. I want to go to Belgium!!

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm always disgusted by how we exist in this society where suicide is cruelly made so inacessible with no legalised assisted suicide, it's hellish how other humans wish to force us to suffer until we cease existing anyway. Allowing the option of assisted suicide would be such a relief and prevent so much suffering.

 

[Slow_Farewell]

It's different in Belgium. They have euthanised people who even just suffer with depression. And they have euthanised foreigners. So there's some hope! It's tragic hoe long it's taking the rest of the world to catch up. I want to go to Belgium!!

WOW! i did not know that about Belgium!

 

[DesperateOne]

Sometimes the only way to do that is euthanasia

I think so as well. People who have chronic pain that doesn't get better or people with mental illnesses who have tried almost everything without improvement. Both of these two groups should be allowed to CTB no questions asked. Imagine the suffering people are going through with permanent psychosis in mental health wards. Their entire reality is cracked 24/7 which has got to be an incredibly scary experience that no normie can even possibly imagine. Some of those people are trapped there for years if not decades, pumped with pills without getting better at all. They should automatically qualify for CTB.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

It's different in Belgium. They have euthanised people who even just suffer with depression. And they have euthanised foreigners. So there's some hope! It's tragic hoe long it's taking the rest of the world to catch up. I want to go to Belgium!!

'just depression'' is a bit oversimplified I'm afraid. Where did you get that from?

 

[sserafim]

I agree that the goal should be to minimize suffering, but I think that doctors still believe that death is the ultimate harm. I heard that all doctors take the Hippocratic Oath to "do no harm". I believe that euthanasia should be a human right, but I don't think that they'll legalize it due to how this society is so inherently pro-life and how it views death as the ultimate harm, evil and bad

 

[Final_Choice]

I agree, and I think that medical euthanasia could actually be beneficial. It would probably encourage more people to get help since they won't have to jump through so many hoops to do it themselves, maybe some people might even end up recovering in some way as well. If not, then at least they can finally have some peace and rest.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

There are so many issues with the medical system's priorities. Preserving life at all costs needs to be replaced with the mentality that we need to preserve the QUALITY of one's life at all costs. The medical system has been engineered as a well oiled machine of risk management in this day and age, rather than focusing on the patient's wants and requests in regards to their own health and wellbeing.

There is a clear lack of compassion towards long-term suffering in the medical industry and a prevalent paternalistic structure which prevents patients from autonomous decision making. People won't get access to experimental treatments usually unless their condition is dire, exclusion criteria for studies is a mile long, and many people are left to suffer and "deal with it" because at least they aren't imminently dying. This mindset is quite rotten to me.

There is also budding stigma against pain medication, addicts, and people who chase after "highs" so to speak. I think pleasure is denounced in favor of productivity, despite the fact that many people are not using drugs for recreation, but to numb their pain enough to be somewhat functional. And yet it is becoming common practice in many countries to ban long term pain management with opioids completely in favour of telling people to change their mindset towards pain and just get outside more.

In some cultures, the use of pain relieving medication is viewed as a weakness and banned completely during certain procedures, even childbirth! Now tell me how do these practices enhance one's life and improve suffering? There are multiple idealogical and cultural bents that cloud the principles of medicine as a field and prevent progress from happening.

It will take a long time for the beurocrats in charge of medical conglomerates and organisations to warm up to the idea that a life free of pain and suffering should be the end goal of medical care, even if this means making risky decisions. And when this isn't possible, letting patients make their own decisions about whether they would like to continue with living or not.

 

[Meteora]

Sometimes the only way to do that is euthanasia

Especially if one has tried every possible medication and therapy.

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

'just depression'' is a bit oversimplified I'm afraid. Where did you get that from?

YouTube video showing a Belgian doctor eurhanising a woman who had treatment resistant depression

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

YouTube video showing a Belgian doctor eurhanising a woman who had treatment resistant depression

'treatment resistant' doesn't sound like 'just a depression'' imho. Euthanasia was probably the end of a very, very long road for that woman.

 

[lifewasawillowtv]

People focus on quantity rather than quality of life now, it's super messed up and very sad. Don't matter if people are hollow and empty shells of themselves because they're struggling so much, as long as they're alive that's fine by the system. Especially now we have an aging population, I feel like it would kill two birds with one stone to make euthanasia available to those who wish to receive it as it will combat many of the social problems e.g lack of housing etc that comes with people living longer.

 

[Meteora]

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[Homo erectus]

The history of modern medicine is very much about causing suffering and torture, like cutting people open with little or no anesthesia, testing live bacteria on human, and many experiments in psychology....

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

Doctors make mistakes like all other people and doctors have made mistakes in history. Just check up on complaints from patients: malpractices and misdiagnoses. Sometimes the patient knows better about his or her health than the doctor. But as for death, the fundamental problem is that euthanasia is illegal in most countries and this problem must be solved by politicians.

 

[willitpass]

As someone who works in the medical field, conversations with patients and families about quality over quantity happen every single day. Doctors have to tell families that there are no options left or that the treatments available are painful and only buy time. Families also have conversations with doctors who are offering more treatment where they say no, this is enough, we do not wish to continue. The hippocratic oath that states "I shall not play God" applies to not keeping someone alive for the sake of keeping them alive just as much as it applies to not taking it upon yourself to kill someone just because you don't think their life is worth it. Mistakes happen every day, but so do important conversations about life and death. And if the family or patient decides they want to keep receiving treatment after that conversation, the doctors continue treating them.

What is so unfortunate is the lack of continuity of this type of care to mental health. You never hear a psychiatrist talk to their patient about how treatment has been exhausted and maybe it's time to go home and make memories. There is no compassion towards those who quantity is far outweighing the quality when it's "just mental illness". The field of psychiatry needs to match up with medicine.

 

[HopingOnaMiracle]

It's different in Belgium. They have euthanised people who even just suffer with depression. And they have euthanised foreigners. So there's some hope! It's tragic hoe long it's taking the rest of the world to catch up. I want to go to Belgium!!

Same thing in the Netherlands. I read stories of people with long lasting severe depression getting euthanasia. It only makes sense when all there is to look foward to is suffering. It's a slow process to get it though...

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Same thing in the Netherlands. I read stories of people with long lasting severe depression getting euthanasia. It only makes sense when all there is to look foward to is suffering. It's a slow process to get it though...

The conditions and process in Belgium are described here:

Euthanasie

In 2002 heeft België een wet goedgekeurd die euthanasie in bepaalde situaties uit de strafrechtelijke sfeer haalt. Op verzoek van de patiënt mag een arts euthanasie toepassen als voldaan is aan alle voorwaarden die in de wet zijn vastgelegd. Dit verzoek wordt geuit door een handelingsbekwame...

www.health.belgium.be

(Only available in Dutch, French and German.)

Important: euthanasia is NOT a right. You can not force a doctor to do it after you have been approved.

Also, Belgium doesn't want to attract 'death tourists'. Foreigners need to be domiciled (fixed living address) in Belgium and have a rijksregisternummer (sort of a secial security number).

Of all people euthanised in 2023 not even 2% were suffering from 'ondraaglijk psychisch lijden'. The numbers for 2023 (in Dutch):

https://news.belgium.be/nl/node/36268/pdf

Don't make it so that it would 'easy' in our country to receive euthanasia.

 

[depthss]

It bothers me so much that people think they have the right to other people's lives, and that they can just force us to keep living while we're miserable. If euthanasia or suicide is the only way to minimize suffering, it should be our right

 

[divinemistress36]

Doctors make mistakes like all other people and doctors have made mistakes in history. Just check up on complaints from patients: malpractices and misdiagnoses. Sometimes the patient knows better about his or her health than the doctor. But as for death, the fundamental problem is that euthanasia is illegal in most countries and this problem must be solved by politicians.

Doctors have made my life hell

 

[TransientEternal]

You are a resource, and society very much wants to keep its resources.