Doc threatens to call 911

[*KNAZ*]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

 

[CrushedHopes]

Honestly, I don't think you should have confessed to your doc that you intend to CTB. Real life docs aren't sensible like us SS folk - they aren't pro choice. They're pro life. They're gonna try and intervene and foil any CTB plan you may have.

 

[*KNAZ*]

Honestly, I don't think you should have confessed to your doc that you intend to CTB. Real life docs aren't sensible like us SS folk - they aren't pro choice. They're pro life. They're gonna try and intervene and foil any CTB plan you may have.

I was able to pacify her so nothing came of it. And she prescribed lithium which I said I would try. Just pissed me off.

 

[Rising Phoenix]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

By law they are required to call 911 if they deem you are an imminate threat to yourself or others. Especially if you say you have a plan and method. I'm shocked she didn't do it to be honest.

I don't agree with it but that is the law.

 

[CrushedHopes]

By law they are required to call 911 if they deem you are an imminate threat to yourself or others. Especially if you say you have a plan and method. I'm shocked she didn't do it to be honest.

I don't agree with it but that is the law.

Which is exactly why communities like SS exist - people could freely discuss their thoughts without fear of persecution or locked up in shrinks due to "mental instability".

 

[Darkhaven]

The hard truth society seems to not want to grasp is that these psych doctors are almost always worthless idiots and their so called "science" doesn't help the vast majority of people like us. All it does is create labells and stigmas, which only make everything worse for us, and then use them to justify the sectionings and hospitalizations people like us are victims of.
I have only gone to a psychologist twice, during my childhood, and the only thing we were able to extract from it was a letter she sent to my mother with the "evaluation" she did of me, which caractherized me as a "selfish" and "emotionless" child. And that she was more than ready to continue with the therapy sessions, which really means that she was looking to hook in another client and get paid.
Thanks for your help doc!!
If you feel like it helps you in anyway then tell me what you are going through.
But if it's not helping you in anyway, than i would think twice about confinding your suicidal thoughts and plans with her, as that will only put in harm's way (psych wards).

 

[reapandsow918]

Yes, I hate it when they ask if I have a plan. Like buddy you think I'm going to tell you? No way, that's my only way out. People should have the right to die.

 

[RecycledAtoms]

I just love (sarcasm) that "do you have a plan" question! I mean, who the hell considers suicide and hasn't pondered a method? It doesn't mean I'm in "imminent danger" of going through with it! I just have a plan that I MAY use, should I decide to. Dr's think of suicide in "black and white" terms. You either "are" or "aren't". You either "will" or "won't". Etc. Sickening! They have a "check list" of "dos" and "don'ts" and "CYA" protocols. That's it!

 

[MeltingHeart]

What would be a better reaction of say if you say to a doc or psychiatrist you DO have a plan ? Not being funny- just wondering what you think the alternative reaction could/ should be from them once someone tells them that to their face? What would be better in a suicidal persons opinion - given that they chose to share that with them in the first place. Is about just being a matter of being able to discuss it & feeling like you are not allowed?

 

[itsallover]

I hate pigs. If there's any on here then fuck you. I once had some racist black cops drop me off in the middle of nowhere saying the hospital is that way and the hood is the other. I love it when I see one shot dead on the news because they all deserve it.

 

[TAW122]

@*KNAZ* Yeah, similar to what others have said on here, it's one of the worst things to do (it's almost like admitting to murder in an police interrogation - well maybe not to that magnitude, but it still falls under the NEVER speak of that if you don't want to get hospitalized/locked up/sectioned). First and foremost, they are looking out for themselves (to protect their job and their freedom - some laws require mandated reporters to report otherwise they could face legal consequences), and then secondarily, the selfish part (pro-life, anti-suicide) of wanting to save someone and project their values/beliefs on the patient. Hell, even a few therapists (in the past) when I simply talked about violence (no plan, no method, no imminent threats or anything) or other socially unacceptable topics triggered such questions, including one wanting to formulate a 'safety plan' just to CYA herself. So in short, if based on what I said (which was still far less from suicide or harm to others or any real danger) was enough to raise suspicions, then yours is definitely a red flag with red lights blaring.

Anyways, I'm glad that nothing came out of it though and that you managed to get your lithium. Finally, in the future, regardless of how much you trust your psychiatrist or psychologist or any healthcare professional (or person in authority), NEVER admit to suicidal plans, methods, thoughts, or anything that represents a 'danger' to others, that is simply a risk too great to take with serious consequences.

@can'tdecide While I had my share of distrust and distaste for police, authority, and cops, I generally despise them a bit less than others. Also, I don't necessarily feel better for the average cop to die (as I don't think they go out of their way to look for trouble). As for the corrupt ones, yes, I wish them to face legal consequences and suffer from it.

 

[Sha70]

The hard truth society seems to not want to grasp is that these psych doctors are almost always worthless idiots and their so called "science" doesn't help the vast majority of people like us. All it does is create labells and stigmas, which only make everything worse for us, and then use them to justify the sectionings and hospitalizations people like us are victims of.
I have only gone to a psychologist twice, during my childhood, and the only thing we were able to extract from it was a letter she sent to my mother with the "evaluation" she did of me, which caractherized me as a "selfish" and "emotionless" child. And that she was more than ready to continue with the therapy sessions, which really means that she was looking to hook in another client and get paid.
Thanks for your help doc!!
If you feel like it helps you in anyway then tell me what you are going through.
But if it's not helping you in anyway, than i would think twice about confinding your suicidal thoughts and plans with her, as that will only put in harm's way (psych wards).

What it boils down to is...... MONEY. Thats all they care about.
"represents a 'danger' to others, that is simply a risk too great to take with serious consequences."

Why would we be dangers to others if we are suicidal?

 

[sleepy dog]

By law they are required to call 911 if they deem you are an imminate threat to yourself or others. Especially if you say you have a plan and method. I'm shocked she didn't do it to be honest.

I don't agree with it but that is the law.

Are you in the USA? I am. From what I have read over the past few months, they have no liability at all if they do nothing and the person kills themself an hour later for example. Its actually law that they have no liability. It has a different name in different US states. I was in custody for 17 days. I have a court case going now. I have researched this. Maybe I just haven't found it, but I can find no law in the US that requires anybody to call the police if I say I am suicidal. They can, but they don't have to. I understand it might be different in other countries.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Yes, I hate it when they ask if I have a plan. Like buddy you think I'm going to tell you? No way, that's my only way out. People should have the right to die.

A part of me would want to say … If I had a plan I would be long gone already.

 

[notjustyetagain]

Good Samaritan law - Wikipedia

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Duty to rescue - Wikipedia

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[ladolcemorte]

It may not be a law but rather a requirement of the professional association that the healthcare professional belongs to. I know here in Canada, they are entitled to breach Dr/patient confidentiality if they believe you are a danger to yourself or someone else. Not sure if calling 911 is specifically mandated, but it is a common practice. I have had to talk a few docs out of doing the same for me, and the suicide hotline has called the cops on me in the past. Cops took me to the ER. Usually the cops were pretty nice. In some cases, a lot nicer than the doctors. (Not saying that will always be the case, just saying it was my experience).

 

[WhiteDespair]

What would be a better reaction of say if you say to a doc or psychiatrist you DO have a plan ? Not being funny- just wondering what you think the alternative reaction could/ should be from them once someone tells them that to their face? What would be better in a suicidal persons opinion - given that they chose to share that with them in the first place. Is about just being a matter of being able to discuss it & feeling like you are not allowed?

1. I had a plan. I was time sensitive and that period passed.
2. I was really, really in a bad spot last week and I made a plan. That was last week and I'm feeling better now.
3. My plan is to drive to Cape Canaveral Florida, duct tape myself to a shuttle launch, say hello to the astronauts and then backflip my way to the moon.
4. It was too expensive to go through with it.
5. It was too much effort to go through it.
6. I looked it up and it would just make me really sick instead of CtB so I didn't do it.
7. I thought of the people who'd miss me and I decided against it.
8. It happened in public and there was nothing I could do.
9. You can take solace in the fact that if I REALLY wanted to CtB, then I will do it. I'll do it right the first time. I won't alert anyone beforehand. And, if I do, no one will be able to stop me.
10. I thought about it but I'd miss the next season of American Idol.

 

[Spock87]

By law they are required to call 911 if they deem you are an imminate threat to yourself or others. Especially if you say you have a plan and method. I'm shocked she didn't do it to be honest.

I don't agree with it but that is the law.

Mine doesn't am a very good bullshiter and since I actually like her am firing her this week so she is not held liable

 

[MeltingHeart]

1. I had a plan. I was time sensitive and that period passed.
2. I was really, really in a bad spot last week and I made a plan. That was last week and I'm feeling better now.
3. My plan is to drive to Cape Canaveral Florida, duct tape myself to a shuttle launch, say hello to the astronauts and then backflip my way to the moon.
4. It was too expensive to go through with it.
5. It was too much effort to go through it.
6. I looked it up and it would just make me really sick instead of CtB so I didn't do it.
7. I thought of the people who'd miss me and I decided against it.
8. It happened in public and there was nothing I could do.
9. You can take solace in the fact that if I REALLY wanted to CtB, then I will do it. I'll do it right the first time. I won't alert anyone beforehand. And, if I do, no one will be able to stop me.
10. I thought about it but I'd miss the next season of American Idol.

But what is the answer I mean ? I guess people just want to be able to express it without fear of being locked up? Is that the main crux of the problem? I suppose it may leave the doc. with a dilemma in the right thing to do & say in that situation. Which of course could be vary from person to person.

 

[BleedingHeart]

Are you in the USA? I am. From what I have read over the past few months, they have no liability at all if they do nothing and the person kills themself an hour later for example. Its actually law that they have no liability. It has a different name in different US states. I was in custody for 17 days. I have a court case going now. I have researched this. Maybe I just haven't found it, but I can find no law in the US that requires anybody to call the police if I say I am suicidal. They can, but they don't have to. I understand it might be different in other countries.

Sorry you're going through all that.
I don't know if you would be willing to share, but if I may ask, by "in custody" do you mean psych ward? And if so, what is the court case for?

 

[WhiteDespair]

But what is the answer I mean ? I guess people just want to be able to express it without fear of being locked up? Is that the main crux of the problem? I suppose it may leave the doc. with a dilemma in the right thing to do & say in that situation. Which of course could be vary from person to person.

A lot depends on phrasing and timing.

"I got my bus pass."
"When?"
"1 hour ago." vs "Last week."

"I'm planning a road trip."
"How?"
"A bottle of vodka, Ambien and a rope." vs "Cage fighting Indian Cobras."

Yep. A lot will come down to the person at the time. How someone is presenting themselves will have an effect.

I'm enough of an asshole, wise ass, insane, etc. to get away with a lot IRL. I posted a new CtB gif in work team chat this morning. No one's the wiser lol

 

[CaptainT]

They're covering their backs. Doctors have to do this to tick the box about asking you.

I smile and nod. Smile and nod. No plan, only vague thoughts, nothing to worry about....

 

[Final Escape]

That's funny lol! I mean might as well fuck with them a little the whole system is such a fraud anyway. Glad u were able to talk yourself out of getting taken in though.

 

[JSauter]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

I know a lot of people would get angry at the doctor's behavior, but I'm speaking as someone who's been to a psychiatric hospital: What do you really expect the doctor to do? She is trained to call emergency services in the case of a suicide risk, otherwise she'd lose her license if anyone learned that she was informed of the severity of you as a risk and did nothing if you did in fact end your life under her care. Again, she has no choice.

The mental health system ought to be indicted for being horrible, but the point of failure does not lie at the psychiatrist - what else was she supposed to do? In a better society, we would have a compassionate means to end our lives without this systemic need to imprison people, but in our current, brutal system, she's pretty blameless as a composite piece to a compassionless, immoral system.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

whats NP? What would have been a better response from your psych in your opinion? Is it just a matter of feeling like you want to express how bad you feel (i.e that you have a desire to ctb) - but you want to be able to do that without the risk of poilce/ ambulance being called & possible hospitalisation?

 

[sleepy dog]

Sorry you're going through all that.
I don't know if you would be willing to share, but if I may ask, by "in custody" do you mean psych ward? And if so, what is the court case for?

In custody meant mental process yes, not jail. I got court ordered treatment, even though I volunteered to do it.

 

[BleedingHeart]

In custody meant mental process yes, not jail. I got court ordered treatment, even though I volunteered to do it.

Okay court ordered treatment. That's what I thought. I am curious about things like that as I am trying to avoid some of these issues until I can CTB.

 

[ron_g]

She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" [...] Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it.

Sounds like she let you do part of her risk assessment, lol.
People naively believe that "your doctor wants to help you." However, as others have suggested, your doctor will not help you in a way that threatens her own interests.

 

[Nem]

Drs can be your worst freakin enemy and if things go wrong...BOOM zero accountability
Peace/hugs

 

[BrokenAngel8]

They are obligued to do that. My guess is their reasoning is somewhere in line of "suicidal person would be dangerous not only to themselves but also their surroundings". If you are positive about cbt, better never told anyone else in your real life. Most of them are pro-life, or under social standard supposed to act like one. I did the same mistake once with my psychiatrist as well, and that idiot makes me to sign papers stating I will not harm myself on my way home, at home, or anywhere else until next scheduled visit, or else she would call my family and admitted me to psych wards immediately. SIGN PAPERS!! That is freaking hilarious. I can understand your anger.